The only real difference between Windows and Linux is that the first starts out as a tech nightmare and the second ends up that way. I use both regularly for both work and play, I’ve seen the good, bad, and ugly of both.
Eh, Windows, even when left isolated from the network, no updates, no installations, just normal usage, definitely degrades in performance over time. I know because I work with machines which use windows on their HMIs (terrible choice) and I see it happening.
I’ve heard so many good things about fedora now. My “it just works” desktop distro that I have been using in the past has been Debian testing (because debian stable packages are often so old many pieces of software can’t run on the system because the minimum version of some dependencies are too high). Being on testing has some disadvantages, though and I remember that somehow apt uninstalled coreutils and some other important packages (I have no idea how that happened), which meant I needed to reinstall the system, and #debian on IRC simply told me I shouldn’t be on testing if I’m not fine with some bugs. It is also overall feels less polished than stable.
Maybe I Fedora is more appropriate for me. I’ve stuck to Debian, because apt is the package manager I’m most familiar (and thus more comfortable) with, but maybe dnf will be easy to pickup.
Always interesting to hear other peoples experiences. It was the complete opposite for me, but I suppose that’s because I try very hard to bend a system to my will. And we all know which of the two is more flexible.
I’m saying Linux is more flexible. Windows started out fine for me, but then it turned into a nightmare because it ultimately just can’t run how I want an OS to run.
The ONLY time windows turns into a tech nightmare is when it’s being installed by a Linux fanboy…
You pick the harddrive to install it on. Make 5-12 clicks and you have a perfectly working system… But fanboys spend a week trying to do things with it, it is specifically designed not to do and then blame windows.
Not saying it isn’t without its issues like Microsoft spying on you, but 90% of the time is a user issue.
Only commenting because of the bad comment. I have supported windows desktops and servers for 17 years now since XP (dealt with systems prior to xp just not for my career), the only thing that has happened in that time is Windows has made it incredibly easy to do most things compared to then. I barely ever see blue screens anymore or an issue that can’t be fixed relatively easily and fast. The worst thing to happen in those years was Vista, now that I can agree was a pile of you know what…
I see the comments here and find it crazy that people who use Linux find Windows harder. I love both because they both offer different things they excel at.
Absolutely, I work in a mixed environment with windows servers and Linux ones and without a doubt I would 100% take the Linux one for longer uptime without having issues. It just works and continues working. With that said I do feel like even the stability of windows server 2016 onward has also improved. My only hate for windows servers is the ungodly amount of time they take to patch these days.
I’ve done Windows software development professionally for over 15 years, I promise you, Windows is a tech nightmare by default. Literally the only thing I do with my own copy of Windows is play games, and I still have to reformat the piece of shit every 8-12 months.
I don’t doubt you a bit, but my brother in Christ, you think countless SysAdmins around the globe are doing that!? So maybe stop and think about what’s happening in your chair to cause that because there are millions of machines that (from what you’re saying) are put through much more strenuous use everyday that don’t require yearly reinstalls.
My old laptop went without a reformat for 6 years running Windows, and that included significant hardware changes. The fuck are you doing just playing games to require a reformat basically ever?
I’m not the guy you’re replying to, I have a Windows computer used exclusively for gaming and hobby CAD design (3d printer), I’ve used it for 8 years without issues before reinstalling… But you could definitely see the speed difference after the reinstall.
I probably would’ve had a difference if I reformatted after six years as well, but it was definitely not a requirement, I could still run most AAA games without major issues, just lower settings. I put that more to blame on old hardware than anything else, maybe a reformat would add a couple extra years but it had some physical breakages as well so I didn’t bother
I’m gonna guess at least a part of those games were pirated. I had the same issue when I used to pirate games, I was installing some shady shit and it would wreak chaos on my system so I had to reinstall windows every now and then. Since switching to steam I have not had to format once. Sailing the high seas sometimes gives you scurvy.
Damn, that’s weird for a professional.
I still have a Windows 98 computer running functionally.
And none of my 6 other Windows computers have had a reinstall in the last 3 years (which was when I bought a new laptop)
I’ve always said that the reason so many people have issues with Windows is because they’re installing “debloater” scripts and disabling core system components.
Linux really isn’t a tech nightmare anymore, even my extremely technophobia partner can manage to use Linux now and most programs have a GUI so you can pretty much avoid ever opening the terminal if you really don’t want to.
But she also wouldn’t be able to install and set up windows. What I’m saying is if Linux was pre installed like windows is, most people could manage to use it without much of an issue.
Finally, someone who gets me! My windows installs turn into such gargling abominations with all the customization I force into them that I could never relearn (before I retire) how to do all the stuff I can on windows in Linux.
I want to drag windows while left/right clicking and holding the windows buttons. I also want non shit virtual desktops. Guess I’m not trying hard enough.
Anyone who says windows can’t do X isn’t trying hard enough.
Which is why I don’t convert to Linux. If I wanted my desktop to be a tech nightmare I can just as easily do that on windows. Nice memes tho
The only real difference between Windows and Linux is that the first starts out as a tech nightmare and the second ends up that way. I use both regularly for both work and play, I’ve seen the good, bad, and ugly of both.
Fedora is rock solid. I’ve had two consecutive laptops running it for … I don’t know, close to a decade? Never had any degradation.
Simply because software doesn’t degrade performancewise. It gets better on a new machine.
Unless someone goes like “Sure, users probably never need this heavy feature but let’s bundle it anyway because fuck them!”
Eh, Windows, even when left isolated from the network, no updates, no installations, just normal usage, definitely degrades in performance over time. I know because I work with machines which use windows on their HMIs (terrible choice) and I see it happening.
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Exactly. Usually it’s uncleaned clutter accumulating and filling swap. Linux, BSD, IRIX etc. are not affected by this.
In some cases it’s hardware which would affect other OSs aswell.
I’ve heard so many good things about fedora now. My “it just works” desktop distro that I have been using in the past has been Debian testing (because debian stable packages are often so old many pieces of software can’t run on the system because the minimum version of some dependencies are too high). Being on testing has some disadvantages, though and I remember that somehow apt uninstalled
coreutilsand some other important packages (I have no idea how that happened), which meant I needed to reinstall the system, and #debian on IRC simply told me I shouldn’t be on testing if I’m not fine with some bugs. It is also overall feels less polished than stable.Maybe I Fedora is more appropriate for me. I’ve stuck to Debian, because
aptis the package manager I’m most familiar (and thus more comfortable) with, but maybednfwill be easy to pickup.Dnf is good, just very slow at updating repositories
isn’t Fedora heading forward to become a garbage distro? saw something from Chris Titus about them closing source
They are not, Fedora will always be a libre operating system.
Always interesting to hear other peoples experiences. It was the complete opposite for me, but I suppose that’s because I try very hard to bend a system to my will. And we all know which of the two is more flexible.
Are you saying Windows is more flexible than Linux? Or vice versa?
I’m saying Linux is more flexible. Windows started out fine for me, but then it turned into a nightmare because it ultimately just can’t run how I want an OS to run.
The ONLY time windows turns into a tech nightmare is when it’s being installed by a Linux fanboy…
You pick the harddrive to install it on. Make 5-12 clicks and you have a perfectly working system… But fanboys spend a week trying to do things with it, it is specifically designed not to do and then blame windows.
Not saying it isn’t without its issues like Microsoft spying on you, but 90% of the time is a user issue.
Only commenting because of the bad comment. I have supported windows desktops and servers for 17 years now since XP (dealt with systems prior to xp just not for my career), the only thing that has happened in that time is Windows has made it incredibly easy to do most things compared to then. I barely ever see blue screens anymore or an issue that can’t be fixed relatively easily and fast. The worst thing to happen in those years was Vista, now that I can agree was a pile of you know what…
I see the comments here and find it crazy that people who use Linux find Windows harder. I love both because they both offer different things they excel at.
I wonder if people used older versions of windows, didn’t like it, swapped to Linux and never looked at windows again since.
Windows has become extremely easy to install and use, much more so imo than any Linux distro I’ve tried.
Now for a server, Linux Debian is rock solid.
Absolutely, I work in a mixed environment with windows servers and Linux ones and without a doubt I would 100% take the Linux one for longer uptime without having issues. It just works and continues working. With that said I do feel like even the stability of windows server 2016 onward has also improved. My only hate for windows servers is the ungodly amount of time they take to patch these days.
I’ve done Windows software development professionally for over 15 years, I promise you, Windows is a tech nightmare by default. Literally the only thing I do with my own copy of Windows is play games, and I still have to reformat the piece of shit every 8-12 months.
I don’t doubt you a bit, but my brother in Christ, you think countless SysAdmins around the globe are doing that!? So maybe stop and think about what’s happening in your chair to cause that because there are millions of machines that (from what you’re saying) are put through much more strenuous use everyday that don’t require yearly reinstalls.
My old laptop went without a reformat for 6 years running Windows, and that included significant hardware changes. The fuck are you doing just playing games to require a reformat basically ever?
I’m not the guy you’re replying to, I have a Windows computer used exclusively for gaming and hobby CAD design (3d printer), I’ve used it for 8 years without issues before reinstalling… But you could definitely see the speed difference after the reinstall.
I probably would’ve had a difference if I reformatted after six years as well, but it was definitely not a requirement, I could still run most AAA games without major issues, just lower settings. I put that more to blame on old hardware than anything else, maybe a reformat would add a couple extra years but it had some physical breakages as well so I didn’t bother
I’m gonna guess at least a part of those games were pirated. I had the same issue when I used to pirate games, I was installing some shady shit and it would wreak chaos on my system so I had to reinstall windows every now and then. Since switching to steam I have not had to format once. Sailing the high seas sometimes gives you scurvy.
Damn, that’s weird for a professional. I still have a Windows 98 computer running functionally. And none of my 6 other Windows computers have had a reinstall in the last 3 years (which was when I bought a new laptop)
Seems like PEBKAC
I’ve always said that the reason so many people have issues with Windows is because they’re installing “debloater” scripts and disabling core system components.
I have debloated Win 11 on a Surface pro. Works OK but I much prefer MacOS (on M1, without Apple account) or PopOS. Much more zen.
what a coincidence if I wanted to have a tech nightmare desktop I’d just install Windows.
yeah i hate things that are functional out the box and have native support for 99% programs
truly a nightmare
Linux really isn’t a tech nightmare anymore, even my extremely technophobia partner can manage to use Linux now and most programs have a GUI so you can pretty much avoid ever opening the terminal if you really don’t want to.
“Use” and “configure” are 2 different things.
I doubt your partner set up her own Linux installation.
But she also wouldn’t be able to install and set up windows. What I’m saying is if Linux was pre installed like windows is, most people could manage to use it without much of an issue.
Does Linux come with a super easy installation Wizard even a technophobe can follow? Cause that is necessary as well for preinstalled computers.
Some of them do now
Finally, someone who gets me! My windows installs turn into such gargling abominations with all the customization I force into them that I could never relearn (before I retire) how to do all the stuff I can on windows in Linux.
…Or doesn’t need to try so hard.
Because their OS isn’t constantly fighting them.
Change disk write schedulerUninstall edge
Really not that hard these days.
I want to drag windows while left/right clicking and holding the windows buttons. I also want non shit virtual desktops. Guess I’m not trying hard enough.
I had an AHK script for the dragging, not sure if you could use Win keys to activate it, but I think you could.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51806056/how-can-i-mount-a-vhdx-like-explorer-does-instead-of-like-mount-diskimage-or-vh
I dare you.