the correct response to somebody trying to order sweet tea in the north is and always has been this quote from 30 rock:
“I’m gonna come back in 5 minutes, if you try to order off menu again I will slap those glasses off your face.”
Sweet tea is trash anyway. Might as well just dump sugar into the water and drink it why even have the tea in it at all
It really is. I was raised in South Carolina and drank sweet tea regularly as a child. In my college years, I had easy access to as much as I wanted and gained around 50 pounds. One summer, I realized how much better I felt drinking less of it and swore it off. By swapping sweet tea for water, I lost all that weight and have kept it off for 20 years.
Nowadays, I’ve gained an appreciation for unsweetened iced tea. The initial sip is always a shock when restaurants accidentally serve me sweet tea.
Just a follow-up for my neighbors in the southeast: don’t fall for the sweet tea propaganda. Regardless of culture or tradition, it’s a bad habit.
We got Union as hell on this post, didn’t we. Every time I come back it has more comments.
I’m still mad as fuck that I can’t get my precious Lipton Instant Tea at Walmart, because I really was raised in a trailer park, so maybe that’s why I had to delete my own giant shitty comment about this.
And to think, I was just shitposting.
i hate when i go down south and go to restaurants and order iced tea and get a glass of concentrated sugar water
diabetus by L Ron Hubbard
But sugar dissolves in cold water. It just takes a bit longer. This is 9th grade chemistry. At 20°C 203.9g sugar are soluble per 100ml of water.
[Edit: Sorry, for the Americans here: At 68°F, 1 cup of sugar is soluble in 21/50 cups of water.]
Wikipedia (de): Zucker cites Hans-Albert Kurzhals: Lexikon Lebensmitteltechnik. Volume 2: L – Z. Behr, Hamburg 2003, ISBN 3-86022-973-7, p. 723.
Have you seen how much sugar those hicks put into their tea though? It’s gotta be hot because they put coca cola grade amounts of sugar, to the point where it wont dissolve in the water anymore. Sweet tea contains 36-38 grams of sugar per 16 oz. That’s a fucking soft drink.
Grams per ounce? You guys are savages with your units for concentration.
You just need to do more drugs
16 oz (454ml) can dissolve some 900 grams of sugar, far in excess of 38 grams. Sugar is ridiculously soluble in water.
Please attempt this and post results
It’s easy. It’s just making simple syrup.
The consistency alone is enough to know that sweet tea is nowhere near saturated.
example: you don’t make a pitcher of kool-aid with hot water.
however, adding sugar to the hot tea does work better than adding it after it’s already chilled.
How? Wouldn’t the excess sugar just come out of solution when the tea cools down again?
It dissolves quickly when the solution is warm. You would need to add a ridiculous amount for it to be saturated at room temp or slightly below.
“ice cold” water can hold about 170 grams of sugar in 100 grams of water
If sweet tea drinkers could read they’d be very upset by that graph.
…is what I was going to say, but man it took me a while to figure out and I’m still not 100% sure I really understand it. The specific gravity line and the sucrose vs solution line are tied to the sucrose dissolved in water curve, right? Wait, the left axis is merging two different scales? Sometimes data really isn’t beautiful.
Right but you’re forgetting there are already other things dissolved in the water as their not using pure, de-ionized water, and they’re adding in tea.
They’re not super saturating it. They’re putting an amount of sugar in the tea that can dissolve at room temperature, it just takes a long time to do so.
And most of all, solubility being a function of the temperature, if you lower it the excess sugar will leave the solution and cristallize.
I came here to say this, but the best Aqua is without sugar anyway.
Maybe the amount of sugar that cold water easily accepts is the correct amount to not taste like shit
Yeah, and if you saturate hot tea, won’'t the sugar simply materialize back as the tea gets colder? Seems to me that nothing about this has to do with saturation.
Water can dissolve a ridiculous amount of sugar even at room temp. For an average 12 oz glass of tea, the most sugar that could dissolve is a whopping 700 grams. One packet of sugar is about 5 grams. At the saturation point it would be basically syrup thickness, too.
Yes. Not sure what the other person is on about. Hot water can have more sugar dissolved in it. When it cools it crystalizes but only if the saturation level is higher than what the water can hold. It’s how rock candy is made. This is like basic chemistry.
It’s not about achieving saturation, it’s about how quickly it dissolves. The sugar packets would absolutely dissolve, if you stir vigorously for half an hour… Rate of dissolving varies as temperature. 9th grade chemistry…
That wasn’t the original argument now was it? If you’re going to move goalposts then at least be halfway correct the first time.
And here I was happy to learn something new on social media contradicting my previous knowledge lol. But yeah, I definitely intend on having a basic chemistry refresher video now!
Hot water dissolves it much quicker, giving the illusion that it dissolved more. It’s not actually saturated when you’re trying to stir it into cold tea, it just dissolves extremely slowly. If you were to saturate it while hot (which would take an insane amount of sugar), then yes, it would recrystalise. But in pracrice, you need to dissolve it while hot because the more energetic molecular motion in the solution dissolves the sugar faster, since the heat is causing more effective collisions. Saturation point and the change thereof is, contrary to the proposal above, not a factor here, since everything is happening well below that point even with the sweetest teas commercially available.
No, I can assure you sugar does not re-crystalize after being mixed in hot tea. It is super interesting how differently people view this subject just based on where they grew up.
You’re right with normal tea, but normal tea is never saturated. If you added another pound or so of sugar while hot, then let it cool, it would absolutely recrystalise (barring supersaturation). But you’re right, that’s not a factor in normal tea. It’s about the rate of dissolution (which also depends on temperature), not saturation point.
That is very interesting, and not something I remember from my very limited exposure to chemistry in school. Thanks for clearing that up!
That is only because it’s not saturated. If you added an ungodly amount of sucrose (and I like it ridiculously sweet but this would be undrinkable), it would recrystalise when chilled. That’s why there’s a controversy here. A saturated solution would recrystallise, but people are pointing out that tea obviously doesn’t do that. That’s simply because no one drinks it saturated. It’s hard to stir in while cold because the rate of dissolution varies as temperature. That’s why there’s some confusing as to thinking it’s about the saturation point. It’s actually below it in both cases (hot and cold). To learn more about that mechanism, read about how reaction rate is affected by temperature.
It’s pronounced “diabitis”
Or with every meal, “would you like grits with that?” No! Grits are disgusting!! Stop it!
I mean it would be inconvenient but they would still dissolve, they aren’t super saturating sweetened tea in the south.
That’s exactly what they are doing for tea in the south.
No, even with the 2 cups of sugar per gallon it seems to make sweetend tea it still isn’t super saturating the mixture. It might make it take longer to dissolve but it’s not because the tea is fully saturated. They could put 4 cute per gallon and it still wouldn’t be fully saturated, even when cold.
This is correct, it’s sad to see that you’re getting downvoted for pointing that out. People aren’t seeing that It’s about how rate of dissolution is affected by temperature, not saturation point. Even in the south it isn’t supersaturated (although it does get very close to saturation when chilled with some brands). More would still dissolve when cold, just very, very slowly (‘vigorously stirring overnight’ slowly…)
Not quite. It gets close to saturation with some of the sweetest brands, but typically no. See below comment for where this confusion is coming from. Remember that rate of dissolution varies as temperature…
Don’t give them ideas
Maybe someone should introduce her to a spoon.
Well that explains the diabeetus.
That is really just a map of poverty.
Hawaii doesn’t check out, but they do look very similar
Meh, its not a perfect correlation (and the time series for the poverty map and the diabetes map are different), but most chronic diseases tend correlate with poverty pretty well. You should look at a map of obesity. It follows the same form.
Nah, that’s actually a my bad for not getting my point across. Looking back on my comment: I know I was trying to commend you, but I must’ve gave up on trying, because it fell completely flat (Not to just you, but to me too when I reread my reply). Dunno where my head was when I posted it, but I can see that I stopped trying at some point and just hit “send”
The reason I commented to your post at all was because my first reaction was, “holy shit, that’s so specifically accurate and funny at the same time… how was this person seeing a fucking heat map, and able to respond with their own map, that is both wildly accurate and hilarious, given the context”.
So I scoured the maps, because I wanted to commend you and also try and be as witty. Hawaii was one of the only (obvious) differences I could find (which makes sense when talking about diabetes and poverty)… but then idk what I did. Just literally gave up on being clever and posted a “spot the difference” comment
So yeah, doesn’t much matter in the grand scheme of things, but I still wanted to let ya know just in case… I thought your comment of the map was surprisingly astute, and I was kinda flabbergasted that it seemed like you just had that on standby. Like you were just waiting for this moment your whole freaking life, and then pulled that very specifically accurate map out of your ass, as soon as it was relevant.
My comment fell flat on it’s face, because it truly couldn’t be topped. And I think I must’ve gotten distracted and gave up on my response, because the only thing I really wanted to convey was… fucking brava my friend. That was some S-tier shit you dropped; and so casually too. It wasn’t necessarily news to me, but hot damn if it wasn’t quick.
My original comment should’ve just been “you win” or some shit like that, but I failed on both ends to get that across
So very much so… holy hell friend bwahahahaha!!! Well fucking done (and pardon my language). But that was the very definition of “under-rated comment” to me. My applause to you
I’m going to look at how poverty is defined. You just gave me an idea for my grad school program.
Sugar should be heavily taxed, it’s so dangerous at rates of more than 10 grams a day
It should be taxed on the corporate side. Taxing sugar on the consumer side becomes a poor tax, because poor people will still want sweets from time to time, making those treats now more and more expensive. Well off people will just accept the tax because it’s marginal to them, but when your chocolate bar that you treat yourself to once a week goes from 1.29 to 3.29, then it really fucks your day up.
What should be done is incentives to provide less sugar/glucose-fructose on the product side and encourage companies to make snacks and beverages that have less sugar content.
It doesn’t make a difference which side you tax. If consumers are taxed then corporations will still feel it through reduced demand for their product. If corporations are taxed, consumers will still feel it through increased prices. The tax burden does not depend on who is taxed, but rather how elastic supply and demand are.
It sure makes a difference to the people buying it, that’s the point
It literally doesn’t. The price is the same either way. Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices. This is really basic microeconomics.
From Wikipedia: “tax burden does not depend on where the revenue is collected, but on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply”
Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices.
I have never once seen this happen… i just see prices rise
Do you actually think that 100% a tax burden will always fall on consumers?
Whoa settle down there
Sucrose is 1:1 glucose/ fructose which is near the optimal 0.8 ratio for fueling endurance activities
I rode 100 miles solo in less than 5 hours Sunday on 360g sucrose in 4 750ml bottles
It’sa lot cheaper than all that fancy SIS/skratch etc
Carbs aren’t poison if you move your body
If you paid twice as much for the sugar, would it materially impact you?
At this point in my life no. When I was young, for sure
Would love to see an updated graph. I feel like everyone gained 50lbs in the last three years.
Lemmy is now getting reposts. We’ve reached critical mass!
I don’t see the point of having reposts here, not like there’s visible karma or anything.
Also, I loved you in that thing!
Reposts aren’t just because of karma whoring. It can be a crosspost or someone saw it and just thought it was funny and wanted to share it to a community they liked.
You may also be one of the first 10,000 today too.
Or simply because not everyone sees every single post and knows it’s a repost…
Do you not know of the internet repost database? It’s a repository of all posts ever made to every website. You’re supposed to go to it every time you want to post something.
It’s over here… In my basement. It also has cookies.
That’s OK. I don’t eat 'em.
“four seasons-having piece of shit” lol I’m going to start discriminating against people based on their seasons.
“Everybody is welcome at my house!.. as long as you’ve experienced snow, that is”
When I moved to L.A. from Indiana, I met people who had never seen snow up close. It was so weird to me.
I moved from Pennsylvania to Louisiana when I was a teenager, and was most bummed about losing out on snow boarding. Now when I’m out traveling, I get to explain how fun (and practical) “hurricane parties” are. Everywhere is strange when you’re a stranger I guess
True, but in the case of L.A. it’s a little weirder because you can see snow if you look at the mountains in the winter and it isn’t a very long trip to get to that snow, so it’s more of a by choice thing.
LA traffic kind of makes it a long trip unless you live on the outskirts.
As a person who has never seen snow, I’m feeling very discriminated lmao
I do hope you get the chance someday, it’s always cool to experience something new in nature like that. I still really want to see the Aurora Borealis someday!
But still… stay tf away from me until you’ve experienced snow, you warm-climated monster! I hope you have a good day though
It’s worth the trip, I promise. I grew up in Phoenix so I didn’t see it for a long time. It’s nuts. It absorbs sound really well, so after fresh snowfall, everything is so quiet it’s surreal. And then you hear the sound and sensation of walking through it, which is an experience in and of itself.
There is absolutely nothing more amazing than an early morning walk after a fresh snowfall.
The whole world seems better in those few hours before people wake up and ruin it.
It can also feel a bit eerie. Being one of the few people downtown in Seattle after a big snow is creepily silent. The random people cross country skiing to get around almost seem to sneak up behind you. When you see people snowmobiling down 1st Ave, you start to wonder if the world has ended.
Sweet tea is extremely common up north. Wtf you talking about?
Texas Roadhouse and whatever is in the gas station cooler do not count.
In case anyone needs it, Texas Roadhouse serves proper sweet tea, brewed hot, put over ice, all that. It’s kinda their gimmick.
I am not even referring to that. Sweet tea was never a southern thing, they just claimed it as theirs for no good reason. My grandmother makes her own, her grandmother made her own and they only ever lived in the North. I been to friends houses where their parents made it. This was in PA and NJ. I personally hate tea so I would get offered it and turn it down all the time.
Of course we have sweet tea, but they are from the South, so being stupid comes naturally for them.
Hey look! Bigotry being upvoted in a post condemning bigotry. Shocker.
They aren’t from where I’m from. They are all stupid, racist, idiots, bad. OK man. I’m sure you’re the only one with the right perspective on the world.
https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075
Least educated states:
41 Texas
42 New Mexico
43 Kentucky
43 Nevada
45 Oklahoma
46 Alabama
47 Arkansas
48 Louisiana
49 Mississippi
50 West Virginia
https://us-inequality.sdgindex.org/rankings
Most racist states:
41 Arkansas
42 Wisconsin
43 Missouri
44 Alabama
45 West Virginia
46 Ohio
47 Illinois
48 Louisiana
49 Pennsylvania
50 Indiana
https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-states-in-the-us
Most dangerous states:
Alaska New Mexico Tennessee Arkansas Arizona Louisiana Missouri South Carolina South Dakota Michiganhttps://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/healthiest-states
Least healthy states:
Ohio
South Carolina
Oklahoma
Louisiana
Tennessee
Arkansas
Alabama
Kentucky
Mississippi
West Virginia
Looks to like the South might not hold a monopoly on stupidity, but they sure as fuck are disproportionately well represented on all the worst lists one can think of. That’s not opinion. That’s fact.
Bless your heart
Ya I’m calling bullshit on some of this. Plus, do you really need to put others, and even places you’re not from, to make yourself feel better? That’s extremely smart, healthy, doesn’t lump groups of people into one, and definitely not a dangerous mentality to have. You’re doing great buddy.
Damn that’s some bad English. You’re just proving him right!
Great job assuming I live in the south. I really don’t care. Doesn’t matter where you live, there are idiots everywhere. You guys are proving me right.
As a server, southerners stare at me in wide eyed awe when I pour a disgusting amount of simple syrup into a glass of iced tea.
What do they think they do at the factory?
They’re not buying tea in jugs, dear.
Factory? Hell nah, we home brew in this household
simple syrup
Wait, do americans use glucose syrup in kitchen?
It’s just a high concentration of sugar dissolved in water. Not used in food really unless you need to sweeten some cold tea for some southerners, i guess. Very commonly used to make alcoholic mixed drinks though.
