In Utah County the cheapest “House” for sale is 600 square feet, 2 bed, 1 bath, at $300k.
So at current interest rate it would be $1,800 a month mortgage(assuming you put the 60k down payment! A decent amount more if you do 3% down.)
The cheapest condo/town in utah valley is 205k, 1,100 square feet, on a 400 square foot lot. But due to a $500 HOA fee the monthly cost is still 1,700 a month (assuming 20% down).
With 3.5% down they’d both be closer to 2.1k +PIMI.
So yeah, how is where you live doing?
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Not long ago, 40-50k, now 90-100k.
Genève (Geneva), Switzerland, 38m², 2 rooms, 570’000 CHF (646’000 USD)
That’s very cheap. It’s a shitty flat but livable if need be.
That’s cheap???
Dear heavens, I didn’t realize some places were that rough.
Welcome to Switzerland
Why is it so expensive?
Very small country, growing population, generally wealthy
Is $60k USD about what the average income is? That is what google told me.
I don’t know the average, but the median household income is 10’114 CHF (11’480 USD) per month, so 121’386 CHF (137’800 USD) per year.
4.5 Rooms, 95 square meter apartment, 1‘315‘000 CHF.
Tu dois dire ou, le prix dépends de la localité
Muesch säge wo, dr pris hangt vom ort ab
Rotkreuz, Zug ;)
$229,000 for 53 sqm (571 sqft)
$229k NZD for a 2 bed, 1 bath 80sqm slumlord rental in a shit neighbourhood in Christchurch, New Zealand
2 bedroom, 1 bath mobile home from 1960: $26,900.
$650/mo. HOA fees.
Holy shit. I thought the $650 included HOA fees. That’s literally JUST the HOA fees. My mortgage on a $300k house is only $300 more than that. Though, I do have a 3% loan. Not getting that again.
Trailer parks saw how much money normal land lords were making, and were like “What’s stopping up from raising rent for no reason as well?”
It’s actually far worse than that. Trailer park Millionaires is a report from 9 years ago following wealthy investors who were buying up trailer parks so they could Jack up rent. Investors specifically targeted sex offenders, convicted felons, and other desparate tennants, so they could mercilessly exploit them since they truly had no place else to go.
Oh well isn’t that swell, add on some of those people probably have loans for their mobile homes and can’t afford to move them, and we get what we have.
There’s no houses that small for sale near me, but the cheapest livable house is about 3x that size, 4br, 2ba, for $150,000, but it’s a townhome. If you want a single family you’re looking at about $200,000. Central Pennsylvania, USA
That sounds like a steal
For a “cheap “ suburb of Boston
- $580k for 1,038 sq ft 2 br on a 5,000 sq ft lot. The homes on this area were originally built as summer cottages so they’re going to be expensive to heat. Of 12 single family homes for sale, 7 are over $1M and one is in a different town
- $265k for a 1 br condo, 579 sq ft. The only feature listed is “private entrance”. Second cheapest is a new townhouse for $1.5M
Not answering the question really, but it prompted me to check out property prices in my home town in New Zealand - small town near a small city in the south. Example: 3br “character” wooden villa on a small section, NZ$700k (US$434k, £350k). I had heard about the explosion in NZ house prices, but that really took me aback. The house I live in now, 3br mid-terrace with garden in a similar sized Scottish town, would sell for about £250k. Even that seems crazy expensive, but at least it’s within half an hour of a fantastic city.
(The estate agent’s website lists previous sale prices, it shows the kiwi horror story: 2022: $570k; 2019: $430k; 2011: $271k; 1988: $52k; 1984: $26k.)
$70k in my area in NC. It’s a lovely 2bd/1ba, and can keep the rain off your head (mostly). It totally wouldn’t be condemned if actually inspected.
Rule 1 of affordable housing:
No narcs!
This is for an area of western, suburban Tokyo. Edit: most are going to be around 1.25+ hours into Shinjuku involving transfers and up to a 20 minute walk to the nearest station.
In USD terms, around $76,000. 52.x square meters 3 rooms, bath, dining+kitchen (so one room is presumably getting used as the living room). Another few hundred a year in maintenance/condo fees. But it’s in a building from 1976 which is before the latest major earthquake law revision and I would absolutely not live there (property can appreciate in Japan, but houses are not seen as investments and lose value really quickly).
Poking around, there are freestanding houses as well in that range, but they cannot be rebuilt so you’re stuck with the existing structure (I don’t know to what degree one could legally “Ship of Theseus” the thing; interior renovation is fine). This is mostly due to a change in law requiring at least a 4-meter-wide (IIRC) road connecting to the property (and mostly for emergency services access). You can buy these on the cheap but it’s because they’re not a long-term solution and you’ll be stuck holding the bag on worthless land to all except maybe a neighbor who might want to buy it (but if it’s for sale now, they don’t).
There are actually a surprising number of buildings after 1981 (latest major earthquake law revision, basically required for mortgage + insurance), but a lot of them are in areas with heavy restrictions (landscape laws, height laws, aviation laws (I have no idea what that one means; maybe it’s in a flight path (noisy) or has some additional height/light restrictions?)), etc.
The search site I used doesn’t have any good way of searching for used homes without restrictions built after 1981 for comparison and I got tired of clicking.
Prices jump a lot within a 20-minute walk of the closest station; most people don’t want to live further.
Poking around, there are freestanding houses as well in that range, but they cannot be rebuilt so you’re stuck with the existing structure
Could you link an example or something on whatever Japanese zillow is? Because this seems absolutely intriguing to me, if only to see what it looks like.
Suumo.jp Is probably the most popular.
Thanks for the link, definitely an interesting time browsing. And sorry to keep bothering you about Japanese real estate, I’m sure you have more interesting things to think about, but looking at it, the offerings on the “under 20 million yen” page just seem absurdly too good to be true. Like, looking at something like This, 1100 square feet, seemingly fairly recent renovations and built in '94, parking for 3 cars, and only 35 minute walk from the station, yet it’s listed for 11.7 million yen/78k usd? Like, from an American perspective, it looks like some Craigslist scam to get your banking info. Is there something getting lost in between cultures? Is the Japanese market really just that much cheaper?
Most people would consider a house that’s 30-40 years old at end-of-life. There are likely restrictions on the property about rebuilding or something as well; that’s usually the only time you see stuff that cheap.
35 minutes to the station is too far for most people as well (prices drop as soon as you hit 20, typically).
You wouldn’t have central heat/air (not a thing here), the insulation is probably very little, etc. That’s all still just normal here.
Most people would consider a house that’s 30-40 years old at end-of-life
That’s pretty interesting to me. The house I grew up in was built in the late 50s, as was the entire neighborhood, making it just under 40 years old by the time I was born, and it’s still there today, with the only major renovations being redoing the flooring and replacing appliances.
Is the shorter lifespan more of just a cultural thing, or is it a matter of how housing is built? Because I can certainly see the pricing if it’s the latter and it’s nearing the point of requiring major maintenance.
There are houses in my town that have sold in the last 12 months for less than $100,000.
These don’t include the shacks that are falling apart that sell for $30,000.This one was bought, fixed up, and is currently listed for $132,000.
That’s a shed, mate
“fixed”
I said “fixed up” meaning up-fitted as opposed to “repaired”.
If you want to get to repairing things you can buy a house here for under $40k.
SE MI - $100k for a rundown piece of shit
439k, 3 bed , 2 bath.
It gets cheaper, but they are mobile homes and restricted to 55+
$200,000 for a 1 Bed 1 Bath with an hour and a half commute to the city. It’s a unit, so probably has a bunch of other fees attached for upkeep but they aren’t listed. Area is far away from necessary services, highly car dependent and notoriously crime ridden. The unit is run down and requires renovations.
Double that for a 2 Bed 1 Bath in a similar area.
