Not OP and I don’t agree with other poster nor I think anyone’s demands are “insane”, everyone just has their interests.
I might be wrong, but I think the main issue Russia has is Ukraine joining NATO and general NATO expansion.
We know what happened when USSR tried to put missiles on US border and Russia doesn’t want NATO on it’s border.
This will go on until either there is a way for Ukraine not to be in NATO or until Russia demise, since looks like they percive NATO on their undefendable border as serious threat.
And if you look at history of attacks on Russia from that direction and casualties in those wars, fear is understandable.
Adding to all of it that in ten years, because of old population Russia would not have soldiers for war, so they had to push it now.
Or maybe they are all just some evil bastards and want everyone to feel like shit.
Ukraine demand to get back all lost territories and it include Crimea. It is the first thing they always say when others are proposing mediation. They are losing the war and their bottom line is basically demand not only unconditional capitulation of the enemy but also the territorial gains on them. This is a position that was never before seriously proposed in history outside of jokes - it’s completely batshit insane. Everyone know that, hence every potential mediatior like China backing off after hearing that.
Hell even Ukraine know that, they are using it not as the serious proposition - they are saying it not to Russia or China or UN or whomever else, they are saying it to USA as a sign the war will be continued.
The Ukraine’s (and the west’s) demands are utterly insane, but others have addressed that better. Just gonna nitpick that the USSR only put missiles in Cuba as a response to the US having stationed missiles in Turkey, right on the Soviet’s doorstep. It should be called the ‘Turkish Missile Crisis’ or the ‘NATO Missile Crisis’ - it’s always the US starting this shit and then, like an abusive partner, gaslighting the world into accepting their narrative, painting themselves as the victim when they’re the aggressor.
That would mean the end of the world. Russia has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal and a clearly stated doctrine of use of nuclear weapons in case of existential threat to the state.
This will only end one way and that is with Ukraine not in NATO. Either because the West finally sees reason, or because Ukraine has ceased to exist, or the world has ceased to exist.
Not OP and I don’t agree with other poster nor I think anyone’s demands are “insane”, everyone just has their interests.
I might be wrong, but I think the main issue Russia has is Ukraine joining NATO and general NATO expansion.
We know what happened when USSR tried to put missiles on US border and Russia doesn’t want NATO on it’s border.
This will go on until either there is a way for Ukraine not to be in NATO or until Russia demise, since looks like they percive NATO on their undefendable border as serious threat.
And if you look at history of attacks on Russia from that direction and casualties in those wars, fear is understandable.
Adding to all of it that in ten years, because of old population Russia would not have soldiers for war, so they had to push it now.
Or maybe they are all just some evil bastards and want everyone to feel like shit.
Ukraine demand to get back all lost territories and it include Crimea. It is the first thing they always say when others are proposing mediation. They are losing the war and their bottom line is basically demand not only unconditional capitulation of the enemy but also the territorial gains on them. This is a position that was never before seriously proposed in history outside of jokes - it’s completely batshit insane. Everyone know that, hence every potential mediatior like China backing off after hearing that.
Hell even Ukraine know that, they are using it not as the serious proposition - they are saying it not to Russia or China or UN or whomever else, they are saying it to USA as a sign the war will be continued.
I learned not belive words, people use words just to make some random excuse for their behavior. and those can be easily changed.
Actions and reality is more important, fake demands are part of negotiations.
The Ukraine’s (and the west’s) demands are utterly insane, but others have addressed that better. Just gonna nitpick that the USSR only put missiles in Cuba as a response to the US having stationed missiles in Turkey, right on the Soviet’s doorstep. It should be called the ‘Turkish Missile Crisis’ or the ‘NATO Missile Crisis’ - it’s always the US starting this shit and then, like an abusive partner, gaslighting the world into accepting their narrative, painting themselves as the victim when they’re the aggressor.
That would mean the end of the world. Russia has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal and a clearly stated doctrine of use of nuclear weapons in case of existential threat to the state.
This will only end one way and that is with Ukraine not in NATO. Either because the West finally sees reason, or because Ukraine has ceased to exist, or the world has ceased to exist.