How many fucking times do I have to explain it?
No one knows your chosen third party candidate exists, and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, they still wouldn’t win.
In the last election, Biden got 50% of the popular vote, and Trump got 45%. Say for the sake of argument that if nothing else happens, 2024 will have the exact same spread. Suppose you’re the best campaign manager ever and manage to convince 2/3 of the people who would have voted for Biden, plus everyone who was going to vote third party, to vote for your candidate instead. (Given the current state of money in politics I should not need to explain why this is infeasible, but suppose it is.) Congratulations! Your candidate now has 37% of the nationwide vote. Unfortunately, that’s not good enough, because Trump’s voter base, who care not for your leftist policies, still gave 45% of the vote to him, and he wins the election.
All voting third party instead of Biden does is make it more likely that Trump will win.
You seem to think you’re explaining, over and over, how voting works to people who don’t know how voting works, but they do know. You’re enlightening no one.
I have demonstrated that voting third party is inviting a Trump victory, yet these people who supposedly already understand everything I say insist that this is not the case. What’s not clicking?
what’s not clicking is that half of the “people” trying super hard to make biden into the antichrist actually do want trump to win and are arguing disingenuously.
the time to complain about biden was the last three years, the time to complain about trump is now.
if their only political opinion is about how bad biden really is… and they never talk about trump, russia or ukraine…
then it’s a duckAre these bots in the room with us now? https://lemmy.ml/comment/9279492
- IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
judging by your wall of sources, pretending like they’re related to what i’m actually saying, it appears that you are indeed in the room…
also, you’re a sea lion
They’re all related to your BlueAnon conspiracy theory about Russian bots, which you didn’t explicitly state but clearly meant to imply.
nope, i’m not blue, not blueanon…
not implying what you pretend you think i’m implying…
you’re deliberately fighting a strawman
I love it when U.S. americans word stuff like the U.S. was the whole world…
I call them Sammies.
It’s a quote from the movie
I know, but that doesn’t matter, because my point still stands. U.S. americans often act like the U.S was the whole world an it’s annoying.
For MANY Americans, the US is their whole world. 🤷♂️
the meme is about american politics, some of which address global issues.
you’re right, but applying it to the wrong thing.
My God dude not this again
- Healthcare, no idea what you’re talking about, is Biden bad for health care somehow now?
- Biden’s corporate tax reforms swung Amazon’s taxes from negative $1.2 billion per quarter to positive $1 billion when they took effect at the start of 2023, and they’re currently paying $3 billion per quarter, a comfortable amount more than they’ve ever paid before. Here’s this year’s proposal of what he plans to do to build on top of that. Raising corporate taxes was most of how he funded stuff like the infrastructure bill.
- Biden passed the largest single action against climate change in American history, although Republicans and Manchin blocked his earlier much more aggressive attempt.
If you were just talking about him funding a genocide we could rock and roll about how right you are, but no. I get it though – including the other three is a necessary part in the propaganda equation because the accusations have to stay fresh and varied in order to continue hitting the right buttons to blend into an overall gestalt of badness to make it “feel” like there’s a groundswell of overall opinion that Biden is just bad on everything, if that’s the perception you’re trying to engineer.
Also let’s not ignore the big unsaid:
Even if Biden really were as horrible as some of these people want to make others believe…
…is their implication really that the only other viable option, Trump, would be anything other than orders of magnitude worse in all of those areas?!
Things Biden is just as bad on:
$ to Billionaires Whining Anti-science Pro -bad -cop Grifting Racism 9-0 SCOTUS Attacking Americans with military (a 16-year old was killed by drone strike under Obama, and I’m sure at least one US citizen has been killed in Palestine) Fraud Fossil Fuels Prison for Abortions Family Separation Concentration Camps Pathological Lying Dog-Faced Pony Soldier Bully Grammar Idiocracy Anti-Education Thoughts and Prayers Roe Misogyny Anti-Trans Anti-BLM Pro-Student Debt Rapist Muslim Bans White Supremacy Israel
29/42, and half of the ones he doesn’t qualify for are essentially “is named Donald J. Trump”
what a fabulous list of misinformed and twisted takes.
if this is really what you believe, enjoy trump I guess. you’ve already gone way too far to reason with, what a gish gallop of bullshit.
But they put that Mike Judge movie on a list of qualities for a politician, you literally cannot argue with that
A reminder that the recurring joke in this movie is that Walter is always right, maybe with the exception of thinking Mr. Lebowski faking his disability, but for everything else he never really slips. As The Dude says, “You’re not wrong Walter, you’re just an asshole”.
Smokey was over the line, and this is a league game, so the results matter.
If you care about any of the things in this meme, and you’re urging people to vote against Biden, you’re going to have a bad time if you get your way.
Walter is always wrong if you’ve ever watched the movie! lmao!!
Yeah man, Bunny Lebowski actually was kidnapped and that was her toe. Great movie, forgot about that part though. /s
Walter may be a moron, but he’s right about most of the things that actually matter to the plot.
This meme is pretty stupid
to be fair, I am pretty stupid
Democrats think I care, the country is already gone and our govt is already fascist when the only defense Biden simps have is “Yeah Biden does it but Trump will do it MORE”
Never mind, as well illustrated in these comments, that dem voters openly embrace fascist tactics against anybody left of genocide Joe.
People act like voting the lesser evil for 50 years somehow didn’t make us less evil but there’s no mainline option that isn’t genocidal and anti-camp. Sounds pretty evil to me. So yeah, ima vote for somebody with zero genocidal inclinations. Thanks.
It’s really only the posts that are like: “I just cannot support genocide joe! If you vote for him you want to eat Palestinian babies!” that get this reaction.
What horseshit.
“Biden should not be supporting genocide” is sufficient to get you called a Russian Chinese Republican trumpist tankie child shill bot right here on lemmy.
No, that is quite the normal take. I’ve seen the users you’re talking about and people like return2ozma always get downvoted because they say shit like “We need a new candidate right now! We cannot go through with the election of Genocide Joe!” When that will obviously just allow Trump to build his throne. Besides, that is the general consensus in real life anyway. That’s why the uncomitted movement is a cool way to protest it.
What you don’t like that Biden is singlehandedly responsible for worsening the student loan crisis, sky rocketing incarceration rates, and first to introduce what would become the Patriot act? Go back to China tankie, see how the incarceration rate is there!
Opening your mouth about any topic is how you get called that on Lemmy. Its community will mercifully ensure its own downfall.
Yeah, this shit is getting boring.
Even if trump doesn’t win your country and its society are so unbelievably fucked you’re not getting out of this pickle. Voting for another patch of presidency which will not change anything fundamental about your country is just delaying the inevitable. The US has already fallen. Now shut up and eat your dictatorship. Thats what oligarchy usually ends up as.