I’m not 100% qualified to answer so I’d appreciate it if @comvedml@lemmygrad.ml could provide additional context or correct any of the things I write as I assume that he’s more knowledgeable on these matters.
Now that the disclaimer is over, northern areas such as Maharashtra, Gujrat, Uttar Pradesh has been wealthier and more populous historically speaking for centuries if not millennia. They produced decades of prime ministers and political consensus that favored the north, making the wealth and infrastructure disparity even greater. There is also a difference of language, culture, and ethnicity - the darker southerners and asiatic easterners often go through ethnic discrimination as well.
With that being said, I wouldn’t explicitly say that the north is protecting their wealth through explicit discrimination. The natural tendency of capital is concentration, and there was more of it to begin with in the north at the founding of India. As the state hasn’t taken any steps to mitigate the tendency of the capital, the conclusion is inevitable.
Its actually the opposite in India , Southern states are wealthier , healthier in terms of GDP/capita and HDI respectively . Kerala has been ruled alternatively by Congis and CPIM , they have superb heath care system while Tamil Nadu has Dravidian politics which is against casteism , religious extremism . Karnataka and Andhra had similar policies but their politics is language driven and not about Hindutva . If you look to the Northern states , UP and Bihar are the worst , they had decades of caste based politics and poverty , the birth rate of these states is higher than the South because of religious sentiments , Hindutva and extreme unemployment. During Covid I think most people died in UP and in the northern states instead of the South. Maharashtra being one of the largest state is an unique case , while Mumbai has higher GDP than most of Indian states , the inequality is very much high and eastern parts of Maha. still lives in relative poverty w.r.t west where we have Pune , Nashik , Mumbai and all other industrial belts.
I knew that my take was going to be wrong but I didn’t know it was going to be this wrong. This is what I get for passive information osmosis slop style of knowledge. Thanks for the correction comrade.
You are not wrong that North was wealthier historically but colonialism , casteism and religious sentiments ruined the North. Congress also had bad policies in the past. Though I won’t say North is like Africa but they lack affirmative policies towards downtrodden and lower caste people and they lack visionary leaders overall. Nowadays Hindutva has engulfed the whole North it will take many years to undo the Nazi mindset.
Thank you both for the replies, it’s interesting stuff that I’ll try to look into more in the future. I see that in the 2019 elections BJP managed to win in a lot of regions, except for the south and southeast. Much has happened since then like COVID and the farmer protests so I suspect the BJP won’t be as dominant in 2024. I also see there was a new 26 party ‘opposition alliance’ created last month.
I will say the opposition alliance is full of holes and consist of lots of opportunists , they can switch between Congis and BJP when time is favorable . Left front has become weak af post 2008, its difficult for Indians to choose a coherent party with some ideals . Congress also won’t ban the extremists like Bajrang Dal and VHP affiliated terrorist fronts and they will pursue the neoliberal policies of BJP .
Reminds me of when Ben Norton had journalist Brian Mier on after the last Brazilian election and Brian mentioned how there are many small parties in Brazil that will cooperate with anyone from Bolsonaro to Lula as long as they are offered some concessions, a purely transactional attitude, just worried about their own little carve outs, at the same time they always clear the minimum vote requirement to get into government lol.
Ok, sounds like the main reason the Indian opposition alliance exists is a lot of those politicians are tired of losing and want to try a single voting list, a bit like the opposition parties tried to do in Hungary (and still ended up losing).
Yeah kinda same thing. Though Indian political spectrum without the actual left ( CPI(M) and CPI) are like that only. When time is favorable congis will join BJP and vice versa. They don’t mind that BJP and RSS is killing India, they want to partake in the loot and clout.
I’m not 100% qualified to answer so I’d appreciate it if @comvedml@lemmygrad.ml could provide additional context or correct any of the things I write as I assume that he’s more knowledgeable on these matters.
Now that the disclaimer is over, northern areas such as Maharashtra, Gujrat, Uttar Pradesh has been wealthier and more populous historically speaking for centuries if not millennia. They produced decades of prime ministers and political consensus that favored the north, making the wealth and infrastructure disparity even greater. There is also a difference of language, culture, and ethnicity - the darker southerners and asiatic easterners often go through ethnic discrimination as well.
With that being said, I wouldn’t explicitly say that the north is protecting their wealth through explicit discrimination. The natural tendency of capital is concentration, and there was more of it to begin with in the north at the founding of India. As the state hasn’t taken any steps to mitigate the tendency of the capital, the conclusion is inevitable.
Its actually the opposite in India , Southern states are wealthier , healthier in terms of GDP/capita and HDI respectively . Kerala has been ruled alternatively by Congis and CPIM , they have superb heath care system while Tamil Nadu has Dravidian politics which is against casteism , religious extremism . Karnataka and Andhra had similar policies but their politics is language driven and not about Hindutva . If you look to the Northern states , UP and Bihar are the worst , they had decades of caste based politics and poverty , the birth rate of these states is higher than the South because of religious sentiments , Hindutva and extreme unemployment. During Covid I think most people died in UP and in the northern states instead of the South. Maharashtra being one of the largest state is an unique case , while Mumbai has higher GDP than most of Indian states , the inequality is very much high and eastern parts of Maha. still lives in relative poverty w.r.t west where we have Pune , Nashik , Mumbai and all other industrial belts.
I knew that my take was going to be wrong but I didn’t know it was going to be this wrong. This is what I get for passive information osmosis slop style of knowledge. Thanks for the correction comrade.
You are not wrong that North was wealthier historically but colonialism , casteism and religious sentiments ruined the North. Congress also had bad policies in the past. Though I won’t say North is like Africa but they lack affirmative policies towards downtrodden and lower caste people and they lack visionary leaders overall. Nowadays Hindutva has engulfed the whole North it will take many years to undo the Nazi mindset.
Thank you both for the replies, it’s interesting stuff that I’ll try to look into more in the future. I see that in the 2019 elections BJP managed to win in a lot of regions, except for the south and southeast. Much has happened since then like COVID and the farmer protests so I suspect the BJP won’t be as dominant in 2024. I also see there was a new 26 party ‘opposition alliance’ created last month.
I will say the opposition alliance is full of holes and consist of lots of opportunists , they can switch between Congis and BJP when time is favorable . Left front has become weak af post 2008, its difficult for Indians to choose a coherent party with some ideals . Congress also won’t ban the extremists like Bajrang Dal and VHP affiliated terrorist fronts and they will pursue the neoliberal policies of BJP .
Reminds me of when Ben Norton had journalist Brian Mier on after the last Brazilian election and Brian mentioned how there are many small parties in Brazil that will cooperate with anyone from Bolsonaro to Lula as long as they are offered some concessions, a purely transactional attitude, just worried about their own little carve outs, at the same time they always clear the minimum vote requirement to get into government lol.
Ok, sounds like the main reason the Indian opposition alliance exists is a lot of those politicians are tired of losing and want to try a single voting list, a bit like the opposition parties tried to do in Hungary (and still ended up losing).
Yeah kinda same thing. Though Indian political spectrum without the actual left ( CPI(M) and CPI) are like that only. When time is favorable congis will join BJP and vice versa. They don’t mind that BJP and RSS is killing India, they want to partake in the loot and clout.