I feel like this ban WILL start a monopoly. Since Facebook does the same amount or more data mining than TikTok, Facebook will have to be banned alongside Instagram, making YouTube Shorts a monopoly, as there really isn’t any other alternatives that are relevant.
This isn’t about privacy or Meta and Google would be slapped too, this is just about the newest boogeyman for americans.
Seriously this smacks of McCarthy’s grocery list in the House Unamerican Activities Committee.
If there is evidence then they need to show us. We’ve learned some hard lessons about not trusting our government with this stuff.
They already held hearings on this at Congress last year, plenty of evidence was presented during those hearings. They basically forced the CEO to admit that the CCP has control over TikTok on the record. It’s on Youtube
Where is it then? Where is the evidence? Can you link to it? Is there a CSPAN broadcast of it or some talking head making shit up?
I would be very surprised if there was evidence because the newspapers haven’t turned up any and they aren’t about to just let it sit on YouTube.
Here’s the full hearing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1xEuK0Fxu8
There are also many articles across tech sites on the internet that you can find evidence of how the TikTok app is a data mining monster. If you haven’t read any about it yet, it’s probably just because you don’t want to hear it. It’s certainly not because the evidence is not out there, as there is a shitload of it.
Oh wow. All you could find is the entire 5 hour hearing? You don’t have any time marks? Articles referencing it? Are you seriously just hoping I’ll give up because you threw 5 hours of raw footage at me?
If there’s so many articles then link them. If they proved something in that 5 hours then give me the time stamp. You don’t get to make assertions that destroy people’s jobs and rights to speech without actually citing something.
Oh wow, I provided literally what I said I would provide, and all you can do is complain like a brat? Go find your own shit, I have already wasted enough time attempting to help you.
Long story short, there’s plenty of evidence out there and you will never look for it. Anything that I send as a reply will not be good enough, because you already have chosen what you want to believe about it.
They don’t care about monopoly. They care about evil China. It doesn’t seem to be an issue to strenghten evil Meta and Alphabet.
Who would ever think I’ll side with TikTok…
First they came for the TikTok, and I said nothing, for I wasn’t a Tiktoker.
Funny how y’all only oppose monopoly til it’s time to circle the wagons around settler companies that can’t compete
Bye felecia
Only US tech companies can harvest all that data from their products, I mean, customers.
Problems with this app go beyond just privacy and bleed into national security.
You as a citizen of your country have an obligation to not freely offer yourself up as an attack vector for cybercriminals all so you could fry your brain with garbage media.
Fuck Amerika’s national security; I don’t claim this mf country. I don’t even think twice about lying about where I’m from when I’m in international circles that ask me what it is. If someone offered me citizenship with them to Yeonmi Park y’all asses, I’d do it in a new york minute.
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I hate America though
Problems with this app go beyond just privacy and bleed into national security.
Entire world should ban US based apps in this case.
The U.S government doesn’t have the same ability as the CCP to just get whatever info they want out of corporations with no due process. The two are completely incomparable.
Do you seriously believe in this?
Do I honestly believe China has an easier time getting corporations to bend over and violate their citizens rights? Why do you need to clarify this??
What is the difference if both countries access to user data at the end no matter easier or harder way? US is trying to block Tiktok under the name of national security but US itself has been violating other countries’ national security and privacy of people of these countries for years. What bothers me is people like you support this hypocritical action.
Hypocritical action? China’s internet hasn’t allowed external companies to offer services since its inception. All I’m saying is if the US wants to treat Chinese companies like China has treated US companies that should be perfectly fine.
You’re out here complaining that China’s not receiving the same rights it fails to extend to other people and calling that hypocritical??
As if all these other social medias don’t have garbage media or propaganda
That’s not the point
We must return to AOL and Friendster.
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If you actually think that app is there for the purpose of entertaining you and marketing to you you are naive beyond belief. Go look into the level of control the chinese government has over their tech sector and the restrictions they place on companies operating there.
Or on second thought don’t even bother. For sheep like yourself it will all go in one ear and out the other. Keep letting them shove their hands down your ass and puppet you more.
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just a case of the mask falling off
Case in point: all the college protests. All the arrests happening are from people being encouraged on TikTok to become aggressive and angry towards apartheid. But the question is how the fuck is protesting at a college going to change what a government in another country is going to do in any way? The Israeli government gives little to no fuck about kids opinions protesting at a college campus in the United States. It’s likely civil uneasy being spread by TikTok.
They have very simple demands, they’re not giving some pie in the sky stuff like “have Joe Biden tried for war crimes and abolish capitalism” or something; the protests all have demands along the lines that their university boycott Israeli companies and cut ties with weapons manufacturers aiding the genocide. To claim otherwise is completely infantalising to the protestors who are risking their university positions and physical health to protest despite the police crackdowns.
Here’s a link to the list of demands of the student protest in new York, for instance
And here’s a picture of the list of the demands of the columbia faculty protest:
I dunno, I absolutely want to see Genocide Joe internationally tried for aiding and abetting a genocide.
All the arrests happening are from people being encouraged on TikTok to become aggressive and angry towards apartheid.
THEY ARE TRYING TO STOP THE GENOCIDE BEING PERPETRATED IN THEIR NAME
WTF is wrong with you?
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If they don’t care then why did satanyahu come out in a speech against it? Protesting does work and does matter. You only need to look at history to see that
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College protests have been a thing since Vietnam. Look up Kent State.
It wasn’t China that gave them the idea, it was history.
And it’s working. More and more people are sympathizing with Palestine the more the government overreacts to peaceful protests.
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The US government is not committing genocide, it’s the Israelis. I’m telling you these protests don’t do shit becuase it’s literally another government doing it and do not give a fuck about college kids in a completely different country.
TikTok is spreading this shit. These protests do nothing and only increase civil unrest.
Seeing someone posting sense and reason. From the heart of a disingenuous, hyperbolic propaganda storm is rare and appreciated.
Asserting that Biden is committing genocide. Really downplays and belittles what genocide actually is. It’s a despicable thing to do. And everyone involved should be ashamed.
Biden can still be wrong, and also not committing genocide. And he is. His reluctance to distance himself from Bibi the Butcher. Has absolutely left him enabling it. Even as he tries in vain to reach out diplomatically to stop the slaughter. We’re long beyond the point of diplomacy. And Biden must start acting like it.
Thank you for being a rational voice.
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No, dipshit. I am also participating in these college protests and it’s typically peaceful. And I’m also trying to tell you TikTok is perpetuating the aggressive nature of some of them causing cops to start mass arrests to delegitimize the protests. It is a fucking attack vector to cause unrest.
The US government provides weapons for the genocide.
One of the main campuses in the protests is opening a campus in Israel, which students are opposing until Israel ends genocide and apartheid.
Many of the campuses donate money to or have partnerships with candidates and organizations that are also complicit in the genocide.
Of course Israel isn’t going to stop genocide because a bunch of college students in the US don’t like it. But that doesn’t mean students have to sit idly as their tuition dollars go to fund genocide.
Funded by Amerikan money. The government you uplift, and everyone who still supports them after eight months of unmitigated genocide, is complicit. Is a collaborator.
Israel is dropping US bombs. 🙄
How is protesting at a college going to stop it?
I’m not sure it’s true that the Israeli government doesn’t care about American public opinion, since they do benefit from American military support, but let’s assume what you said is true.
Even if Americans protesting won’t stop the genocide, won’t end apartheid, I’d prefer that those atrocities are not committed with my tax dollars, with support from my government, in my name. The lesson learned from 9/11 shouldn’t have been “we need to enact regime change anywhere in the world where American interest are opposed”. It should have been “Americans better make sure they are OK with the things that their government is doing abroad”.
I’m not OK with it, I’m not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that Gaza can be levelled with “made in America” munitions. I’m not willing to risk dying in a terrorist attack so that oil companies and other big business interests have friendly regimes to collude with in the region as they scam the people out of their resources and freedoms.
Pretty sure people protesting in the US are trying to influence the US govt.
I mean let’s be honest, that’s slightly better than US companies plus the Chinese Communist Party being able to do so.
I don’t know about you, but if I must leak my private data like a sieve to use the internet, I’d much rather that data go to a government that isn’t governing me!
A government that isn’t governing you … yet and that has no ambitions (/s) to take over as much power as possible in the country you live in, you mean?
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I don’t think you’d like ruining your social score by hanging out too much on lemmy and as a result losing access to movies/streaming/games, driving cars and your dog.
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I have enough hate for both governments, no worries.
Ahh yes, I should be worried about how they could in the future, do something while my current government can make me a fucking slave, legally if they decide to.
Look, I don’t know which country you live in but if you’re worried it might make you a slave, you should riot (if at all possible, that is). Be part of the opposition.
Damn I thought private prisons were a loophole and not in the constitution to punish people with slave labor.
So what…?
Not everybody is living in the “default country” and also, with the US we see how well it all works for them and how slavery is not a thing there at all.
What can China do to you? You don’t live there.
They (not just China - any country, in fact) don’t have to do anything to you. But they can in such a way influence you to go against your own country’s policies directed towards these countries, for example. That’s the reality when a country choose to be a foe instead of a friend - they’ll get extra paranoid to think that the other country have everything planned to go against them, which ended up to be a reality as a consequence of retaliatory measures by these new foes.
TikTok enacted a very obvious influence campaign to fight this legislation that resulted in congressional phone lines becoming jammed. So what China can do is directly influence our laws.
It’s obviously more of a problem when a government that actually has agency over you harvests your data. If you can’t even understand this, then you’re truly lost.
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Because your government can use the information against you while a government on the other side of the planet can’t.
Used to be true. See countries affecting populations in foreign countries. Propaganda is not local.
Because definitionally, fewer people doing a bad thing is better than more people doing a bad thing?
Not having the choice is slightly worse I’d say.
Everybody Sucks Here
They still can, they just have to go back to buying that data lmao
I wonder if Tiktok will just make a seperate company that would comply before the 2025 ban comes to effect…
Or they will just exit the US market, interesting stuff.
I still think Glenn Greenwald views on this topic hold true.
“ByteDance doesn’t have any plans to sell TikTok,” the company posted on its official account on Toutiao, a social media platform it owns.
The sell-or-ban measure was signed into law by US President Joe Biden on Wednesday.
“We are confident and we will keep fighting for your rights in the courts,” said TikTok boss Shou Zi Chew in a video posted on the platform this week.
“The facts, and the Constitution, are on our side… rest assured, we aren’t going anywhere.”
The Chinese government has also dismissed such concerns as paranoia and has warned that a TikTok ban would “inevitably come back to bite the US”.
The Chinese government has also dismissed such concerns as paranoia and has warned that a TikTok ban would “inevitably come back to bite the US”.
If instead of getting anything they are opting to get $0, that actually confirms the “paranoia”.
The fact that the two countries that are most accused of spreading disinformation (including using Western’s own social media) not only provide their own alternatives, but also bans Western social media shows that West wasn’t paranoid enough.
The last line sounds like a threat from a country that has had State sponsored hackers take over a great deal of the US infrastructure.
Imagine WW3 kicking off from TikTok. Not even a cool battle or anything, just massive misinformation campaigns to incite violence and false flag attacks
That’s literally already happening
There’s literally no reason to retaliate using state actors for this. It won’t fix the economics, it won’t fix the power balance.
The retaliation is when the US sets precedent in international economic relations and China uses it to cut off American tech companies from the Chinese market which is a massive revenue source for them. If China announced anything like that, it would kill the tech stocks future projections because all that growth that US tech was banking on would disappear.
US tech companies betting on China to sustain their growth are foolish. China doesn’t need an excuse to favor its internal tech companies over external ones. It already does favor its own tech companies, and its own industries across any sector in which it can compete. China has already crippled US tech company growth within their borders. Any “retaliation” here is just spin, they are doing it anyway.
The reason regulation is required for this is because private companies, being purely proft-driven, won’t. It’s a state matter.
I have no idea what you’re responding to
Yeah, not too sure why you would forcefully see it as a threat…
If you already see it and think of a country as an enemy (boogeyman) than anything people from that country or gov’t says would look like a threat or to be a scary statements…
At least that is how I see it…
I hope we shall continue to analyze our own way of thinking and talking about such topics!
The Chinese government has also dismissed such concerns as paranoia and has warned that a TikTok ban would “inevitably come back to bite the US”.
The fundamental ethos of the US and its propaganda of why it’s the greatest country on the planet is the first amendment and the current bunch are absolutely destroying that illusion in plain sight of younger generations.
They’re sending billions for wars and to Israel supporting and assisting them in genocide yet are saying to the ones they expect to pay for it that there’s no money for healthcare, infrastructure, education, welfare, raising minimum wage, etc, etc, et al, and then still demanding they should receive their votes “because the other guys much worse”.
I see a lot of younger people saying that both are shit, that the system is rigged and they ain’t playing their game anymore. That is tantamount to revolution.
Funny how you concerned citizens always seem to mention Israel without also mentioning supporting Ukraine. Almost like it’s not on your talking points list.
If you don’t see an issue with a hostile nation state directly controlling something that is consumed by so many Americans, you’re not looking at it properly.
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Also because Ukraine is a nazi state. It has nothing to do with my “talking points” just that Ideologicaly I am opposed to The Ukraine, so I do not want support being sent to them.
Ah, so you’d be perfectly ok with Russia just expanding in Europe and invading the Baltics and Moldova? Oh, you’re a .ml user. Your answer is obviously yes.
Who said anything about the baltics ot moldova?
Ukraine was doing a genocide and violated 2 treaties Russia granted aid and enforced the treaties, and then the areas voted to join russia
If you want to talk about the baltics we can, or Transistria, not Moldova, we can, but that wasn’t the topic of discussion
Don’t stumble down that slope jackass
Get fucked, stay fucked. YouTube shorts eating good.
Neither TikTok nor YouTube Shorts a good.
Lol YouTube Shorts is fine, TikTok is oversatured dogshit.
It’s the same shit. Same dogshit.
Yeah, wasn’t bad for me. Don’t know what shit you guys get but I get stuff that isn’t brainless sigma videos or 14 year olds dancing in thongs.
Lol it’s what the algorithm thinks you want. It goes by what you watch right through, not just what you actually upvote.
Then I guess I skip past the trash because it actually gives me things I want. Like some dude cosplaying in fallout gear and acting out scenarios in a funny way. It feels like what Vine used to be, so it’s chill to me. TikTok just has too much jailbait and room temperature IQ posts of ‘stimulating’ videos. Like cutting kinetic sand or some shit.
Yeah this is why I never let other people use my tiktok, ten minutes and they wreck the algorithm.
If you just search option find proper content, follow that, then block/not interested any kids or kinetic sand and shit in fyp, it will change and never show you it again, it learns way faster than youtube.
If ByteDance have any balls they’ll sell to the shittiest company for the lowest bid.
This makes sense as there still billions of other potential users around the world. Add to that the fact that other nations like content of their own cultures in their own languages. It means even if they will feel the change the platform won’t collapse because it is missing US users. Now If other countries follow in the US footsteps then it becomes a different story.
If you as a content creator have a choice between a platform with 3 billion people (US and India included), like Shorts and Instagram Reels, and one without (TikTok), where would you post?
This is a clear disadvantage given to tiktok only to protect its own companies cause if US actually cared about data and mental health, homegrown Tech companies would also face repercussions.
LETS NOT FORGET, China can VERY EASILY buy most of the data it needs from the open market which many US companies, including Big Tech contribute to.
This has done nothing for citizens. Only protected innovation less US companies.
i don’t use tik tok and think this is all hilarious. watching you all fight over it is even funnier.
I don’t protest so watching the government arrest protestors is hilarious. No way this will ever blow back on me!
this has nothing to do with tik tok
Nothing gets by you 🤣
no. it doesn’t
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Since it hasn’t been mentioned yet; the real reason TikTok is being banned.
Sure. Ignoring that this started in 2020 during Trump’s presidency.
Yes. This has been ongoing since TikTok acquired musical.ly. The CFIUS didn’t care as much until it became popular. TikTok has tried to comply, so why isn’t the CFIUS and there considerations being heeded?
And back then the Republicans were the party screaming about banning TikTok.
Now that israel is involved this became a lot less partisan very quickly.
I vote Democrat. I and everyone I’m aware of who wasn’t already addicted to TikTok supported banning it.
Maybe if your arguments contained an iota of good faith, they’d be taken seriously
Can you explain why we don’t ban the other social media platforms?
This is the same conclusion Second Thought came to a while back in one of his youtube videos. While I don’t disagree with the conclusion, I also wouldn’t say it’s mutually exclusive to reasoning promoted by the mainstream media of "foreign influence. " What’s really wild is the idea that the ban is also being pushed by “foreign influence.”
The concept that “foreign influence” can destabilize the system means the system itself is not transparent and fair enough.
It means local influence does not work in public interest, and the problem is not abroad, it’s in your government.
Plausible deniability, 2 birds with 1 stone. There are hundreds of companies with foreign investors and influence. TikTok has tried to work with investigators and even spent $1.5 billion on a server framework for Project Texas. If TikTok was a crappy app and wasn’t the primary source of news for young adults, the government wouldn’t care.
You have got to be kidding. Did you really just link the canary? The same canary that got banned from Twitter for making antisemitic remarks.
They also failed dozens of fact checks.
fact checks
Opinion disregarded.
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The ban on tiktok was going through before palestine attacked Israel. This article is just pure speculation and conspiracy theories.
The Canary has faced criticism for claiming that Israel is an apartheid state for its occupation of the West Bank. According to the Jewish Chronicle, Kerry-Anne Mendoza, the editor-in-chief, had her Twitter account suspended when she compared Jewish Labour Supporters with South Africa’s Apartheid “Imagine if during a day of international solidarity with the oppressed of Apartheid South Africa the Labour leadership opted instead to spend the day with white supremacists. That’s what Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner are doing today.”
What great journalists.
I did. Because the leaked phone call is real.
That’s incredibly damning.
I enjoy your YouTube channel. You read Blackshirts and Reds to me.
Nice, thx! I’ve got 2 more books recorded recently, just gotta do the work of tagging and uploading them (should be ~week or so).
- Zak Cope - The wealth of (Some) nations.
- Domenico Losurdo - Nonviolence - A history beyond the myth.
And irrelevant. You are grasping at straws trying to connect all the dots in your conspiracy theories.
This move against TikTok predates the Hamas attacks and Israel’s military action. It’s insane that TikTok’s ban is because teens are more likely to be pro-palestine.
But but but… the American government HATES having a light shined on it.
Idk why so many people assumed they would its a data gold mine even with the USA blocked
If we could have it banned in Europe or just Germany I would be happy for my people.
Ok boomer
Just don’t use it if you don’t like it.
I dislike it. But no. Don’t ve authorjtarian like China. Bann it on phones of those with security clearances, but that’s all.
Banning a foreign propaganda platform is not authoritarian, it’s a necessary step to protect democracy from being negatively influenced, manipulated and controlled by hostile, authoritarian actors like the CCP.
Where do we start and where do we stop with that kind of stuff?
If we ban TikTok we also would need to ban a lot of Social media platforms from the US for the same reason.
Actually, no. That’s not how this works and it’s not the reason behind the TikTok ban. TikTok is being banned because it’s directly controlled by the Chinese government, a foreign adversary that has vested interest in controlling and manipulating the American public through propaganda.
Then force them to add a disclaimer of that whilst signing up. That simple.
Oh then please mark and ban American propaganda, too.
Won’t people just continue using the app? Wouldn’t it be as easy as side loading future installs?
iPhone has left the chat.
You overestimate the tech literacy of the majority.
It’s excruciatingly easy to side load on android, to the point where it is outright dangerous for laymen.
All it will take is a 30s tiktok showing how to side load and they’re done, tech literate or not
If the tutorial can’t be boiled down to a 30 second video, tiktok users aren’t going to be able to comprehend it.
I expect that Tiktok will strart distributing the app as an apk on their website.
iPhone has enormous market dominance in the US and no sideloading.
Shhh, you’re not supposed to point out Apples fla… uh, features.
Worse. Unless they’re going to start the Great American Firewall you can just go to the website.
what does this do to the press freedom index ranking of the united states? nothing im guessing
TikTok is a platform, not press. I just wish they were banning the other walled gardens too.
Freedom ends on Chinese propaganda astroturfing
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That’s your words
Can we have like serious discussion without these sensationalising but dumb quips? Is there any adult here at all in this room who would be willing to have a nice conversation about the dangers of safety vs control?
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You draw some false equivalency strawmans and look down upon thinking you are so smart. It’s idiotic. Are you able to have mature conversation at all?
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Do you not want lemmy to succeed? People from reddit should be welcomed.
Yall are acting like Voat did when the_donald got banned and the MAGAs tried to migrate to voat. Hows voat doing these days?
We should make an Adult in the Room bingo card.
A government ultimately does control TikTok though…
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'Cuz here on Lemmy, only the US gov’t matters. Which is, of course, similar to what 95% of people on Reddit think
The only difference between Lemmy and Reddit Is Lemmy is smaller and its down way more often
These are advertisement platforms. Not free speech platforms.
