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My (unpopular?) solution is to make sure the rest of society isn’t so desperate for food that they’re willing to rob a robot.
In an unrelated suggestion, if youre in a grocery store and see someone stealing food, no you didn’t.
It really pissed me off how people don’t seem to realise that most crime is due to a failure of society and that if we give people prospects then crime will go down.
Preach. Harsh penalties with no rehabilitation and an uncaring system with no safety net?
If you can’t get a job and can’t eat without a job, who wouldn’t do crime?
As someone who works in a grocery store, most of the people I see stealing are stealing stuff like makeup or drinks and junk food, not necessities. And our regular thieves spend hundreds on cigarettes a week, while still stealing whatever they want because they know they’ll get away with it.
If you think about it’s easier to steal higher value items that have a good resale value, rather than a complete food shop.
Sure, some people steal out of more than necessity, whether that be drug addiction (which should also be fixed at the root) or other issues.
The fact is quite simple that the more we give people prospects then the more crime will go down.
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Yeah, the cigarettes thing is a literal drug issue. The only thing that’s different between that a fentanyl is the smokes are not criminalized.
We can’t expect our thieves and impoverished to be exactly rational and raid the staples, especially as we’ve engineered junk food to appeal to impulsivity.
As for makeup I don’t have an easy explanation, though makeup is expensive and currently we do expect people to wear it rather than get accustomed to what folks look like without it. I was going to guess it’s fungible, but less so than brand-name laundry detergent. Tide is currency in the underground market.
But yes, while for young people there might be a thrill in the act of stealing over buying, ultimately, when we have the capacity to fulfill our needs without careful budgeting and compromise, we’re glad to do things transactionally. Professional thieves struggle to make rent.
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Pretty sure Uber will just rig the robots with C4 when someone tries to steal the food. And then monetize the video of it on you tube. And garnish the cost of maintaining the deceased persons tombstone.
They should sue the families for lost robot productivity too
Later, Uber would be sued for not actually providing the tombstones and for over-charging for them when they were provided.
They would counter that they had contracted a third party, X, to provide the tombstones, on behalf of the deceased, and had merely paid the invoices on the deceaseds’ behalfs, and that X, not Uber, would be liable for any failure to provide said tombstones or to have over-billed for them.
Years later, Uber would “lose” the case and would be ordered to send $3.50 to anyone who had sent them payments for tombstones between the years of 2024 and 2026, and $43.8 million to the attorneys on the case. They would also be required to set up a free tombstone check account for anyone who requested one in lieu of that payment, but they would only give 30 days to claim the account and would send it with a spammy sounding title like “Claim your free account now!” ensuring that only 4% of the eligible people actually managed to claim one.
Overall Uber will have made $418 million profit from their burial and tombstone billing service.
And everything was above board. The system works.
If I still work in retail I would require far more money to notice things. Since my wage wasn’t tied to company profits what do I care.
Although I do remember a time that somebody stole all the skittles. We got yelled at about that one.
I don’t think that’s at all unpopular, don’t a lot of beauty pageant women say how they want to end world hunger or poverty
Fix poverty and you fix a huge amount of other things.
Ok sure, but have we considered arming the robots with assault rifles instead?
The article mentioned tear gas canisters be equipped instead. I can’t wait for a delivery robot to be near my property, someone tries to mess with it and gets gassed, then I get to enjoy tear gas as well from my front porch.
Or some kid walks past it, bumps it slightly and gets gassed in the face.
Well the next kid will think twice about bumping the bot.
I’m assuming the canisters would only be released if the door is forced open. I highly doubt it’s going to activate a few slightly knock it I mean hell, those things drive into lamp posts on occasion.
With the care and attention tech companies give to the safety of their devices, I can definitely see it spraying someone unintended. Probably even the person it was delivering to. Any company sensible enough to properly implement this likely will finder better less potentially dangerous solutions to the problem. This idea stinks of someone who gave it 5 minutes of thought and wants it implemented as quickly as possible.
Yeah but it’s what they’ll do.
Arming autonomous robots, what could possibly go wrong?
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I’d go with thermonuclear warheads
Surely area of effect weaponry would be better.
The higher collateral impact just serves as an extra lesson to any wannabe thieves.
If we’re all not living in survival mode, why would people work? /s
Making people self sustainable is a good way to fix poverty but the state actively works against that.
How’s that related? A criminal is a criminal, their wealth is irrelevant.
Because fixing poverty lowers criminality.
Ahaha! Right, sure!
Good point. It’s the poorest cities and neighborhoods that have the lowest crime rate. Forgot about that, thanks for educating.
TIL there’s people who don’t know that petty crime increases with poverty.
I have been made aware of some dumb groups of people in my time on the internet. But this one is up near the top.
Well ain’t you just a ball of sunshine.
Everyday we are one step closer to the plot of Demolition Man. I cannot wait to taste some boosted Taco Bell.
Great. Just great. I either figure out the g*damn seashells or pay for my toilet paper at the courthouse.
They’re bidet controls. One would be for front wash, another for rear wash, and the third one for air dry. There may be temperature controls hidden somewhere nearby, or more likely the system recognizes the user and automatically uses those temperature settings, and the seashells are just gussied up push buttons.
This is the most plausible and simultaneously worst possible answer to that bit.
What a pathetic bunch of people trying to maintain the slave status quo in these comments. WHY are you fighting to maintain a world where people have to work low tier bull shit jobs to survive? The answer, you morons, is to let the robots be and improve society to the point technology said it would. We re the most productive we’ve ever been in our entire history yet work more than any other time in history. We need work reform, not a robot genocide.
In an ideal world these robots would shift to there not being a need for “unskilled labor” and we would all have more leisure time. In the late stage capitalistic hellhole we are forced to live in, huge organization replace minimum wage jobs with robots and hoard profits and push people further unto poverty, while still overworking and underpaying the few people they do still employ.
If we had a ubi, then robots and self checkouts taking minimum wage jobs wouldn’t be an issue because the person who’s job was taken isn’t just displaced and faces homelessness or death.
So I sympathize with the people who are complaining about the robots. As much as I want a scifi future with a bunch of automation, I want exploitation of the lower class to end first.
Which is literally what my comment says, it’s a work reform problem not a robot problem. This is literally exhausting your anger and energy on the wrong thing. Do you really think destroying some robots will change society?
Destroying robots won’t change society, but it can give you free shit.
Yes I’m sure you’ll be all for it till someone lifts your shit. Then you’ll cry like the little bitch you are. Typical fuck you I got mine mindset.
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The unemployment rates in the USA and Canada are both far below norms. These robots aren’t taking anyone’s irreplaceable job. Of all the things they are (ugly, intrusive, annoying), one of the things they’re not doing is driving up unemployment. At worst, someone has to change jobs.
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It hurts no one? Besides the company that has to replace those items and the person who paid to order them durrrrrrrrrrr.
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Small businesses don’t have CEOs and often employ their whole family.
Are small businesses the ones using these robots?
In the case of uber Eats and many non-chain pharmacies, yes. We have Wing here which solves the theft problem.
let the robots be and improve society to the point technology said it would. We re the most productive we’ve ever been in our entire history yet work more than any other time in history. We need work reform, not a robot genocide.
I am in agreement with you, but the problem is the work reform part is not forthcoming. The delivery robots didn’t come with a helping of any kind of labor reform, whatsoever, and will not come with one either without some kind of violence to usher in the deal. The capitalist class would not allow it to happen any other way.
If you truly believe that it still makes 0 sense to use the violence against the robots who have 0 idea why they’re being attacked and even when destroyed change nothing(because destroying these won’t stop companies from making better more lethal versions).
Is lemmy like the unofficial gathering place for commies? I see more commie garbage on here than reddit, which is saying something.
Where is the “commie garbage”?
People here are making valid complaints about the state of society.
Most people know that communism isn’t the answer.
Mostly everyone who says taking someone else’s property is okay if you feel they deserve it, or the seller deserves it. If you don’t see a huge commie bent here, then I would assume it’s because you are a commie or are commie-adjacent. For real, maybe I’ve just stumbled on the perfect mix, but I’m finding lemmy to be rife so far.
Mostly everyone who says taking someone else’s property is okay if you feel they deserve it
I don’t think that’s ok. Humans need their space, man.
If you don’t see a huge commie bent here, then I would assume it’s because you are a commie or are commie-adjacent
I see a moderate and a left bent here. Both of those I vibe with, but the left isn’t synonymous with communism or even marxism.
And there’s also idealism, of course - there’s plenty of that everywhere on the Internet.
My view of the left is that they want an infra that’s more aligned with the EU or Scandanavia.
That’s definitely not communism. NK is communist, and there are very few people who want NK.
Del Spooner would like a word with you.
yet work more than any other time in history.
My impression is that we’re the most leisurely, per capita, than we’ve ever been. The average workweek now is 34 hours, down from 60-70 in the 1850s.
Low income white neighborhoods have lower crime rates than black middle/high income neighborhoods. There is no more blind person that the one who doesnt want to see.
“The robots are constantly monitored and equipped with 12 cameras and two-way audio communication systems. Any improper conduct will be detected immediately. If an incident does occur with a Starship robot, one of our robot rescuers can respond quickly,” robot builder Starship Technologies says regarding robot safety, adding that acts of vandalism or theft are reported to authorities.
While that may be true in theory, instances of actual prosecution for theft from robots in cities where they operate have not been easy to discover. As with far more widespread instances of front porch package thieves or shoplifters, despite the volume of video evidence the robots can produce the police have to actually take some investigative steps to identify and locate the suspects
I’m glad they’ve thought this through.
the police have to actually take some investigative steps to identify and locate the suspects
cops give zero fucks when crimes effect everyday citizens.
How dare they expect cops to “take some investigative steps?” We’ll arrest the criminals when you bring them in for us, along with evidence.
some robots have been robbed of the goods they’re delivering, including food.
That was easy to predict, wasn’t it?
For me, this falls neatly into the “who fucking cares?” category. These things are deployed in very few cities overall and if the technology is ready for wide-release, you better have a more effective defense against theft than you already do of they are already being stolen from
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I’m far from a Luddite and I think robots in general are cool. But I kind of don’t have an issue with people fucking up autonomous roaming robots. I haven’t rationalized that opinion just yet, I guess. Just feels right.
Philly did nothing wrong
I don’t think waving away being a Luddite just by saying so makes it so.
I can’t think of a single angle of principled moral theory that makes this okay. Vandalizing or stealing someone else’s property they paid for. Hurting both the restaurant and the customer by depriving them of their food. Holding back progress on an invention that can reduce the need for humans to engage in a type of work that is hard, dangerous at times, and low paid.
From a purely rational on paper view, it doesn’t look terribly different than saying vandalizing or stealing from delivery vehicles driven by people isn’t wrong. What possible justification could there be for this view besides Ludditism fuck robots?
I don’t think that robots should be allowed to take up space on our sidewalks. Sidewalks are meant for people to travel on and we shouldn’t be inconvenienced by having to avoid some annoying-ass robots rolling down the middle of them all the time. They ought to be considered motor vehicles and banned from sidewalks. That being said, Sstealing people’s deliveries is wrong and I don’t think it’s a good way to combat robots encroaching on our space.
Maybe just overturn them so it becomes unprofitable?
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The only stain on humanity is you. Congrats!
I was thinking you could pick them up and set them in nearby bushes or something so it’s out of everyone’s way. You aren’t damaging it and it’s impossible to argue that robots should have right-of-way. If you overturn them, the company might be able to bitch that you scratched the paint or something.
I wonder if people had more prospects would crime go down?
That’s a rhetorical question by the way. Petty crime is a failure of society.
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I don’t think waving away being a Luddite just by saying so makes it so.
Guess you know me better than I know myself.
From a purely rational on paper view, it doesn’t look terribly different than saying vandalizing or stealing from delivery vehicles driven by people isn’t wrong. What possible justification could there be for this view besides Ludditism fuck robots?
Imagine thinking humans are rational beings the debate ethics every time they have a feeling. Sometimes you just gotta fuck shit up.
Pepperidge Farm remembers
https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/hitchbot-robot-beheaded-philadelphia-feat/index.html
Under captialism we lament robots taking our jobs, where under a better system we would be rejoicing.
Do you mean the better system where people would have the opportunity to cook better food for themselves instead of ordering fast food and paying exorbitant fees to have it delivered?
The rational could be that those robots are taking the job of a human being and deserve to be robbed…
Using cars to deliver food pays very little, is dangerous (old guy with shotgun shoots your brains if you go to the wrong house), and is extremely bad for the environment. Current delivery workers could switch to a safer job with better pay and not damage the environment as much. Or we can implement UBI. Just a thought.
Well… an old man shooting your brains out for ringing the wrong doorbell is a complete different problem.
We can also make robots to do that more efficiently.
I hate this argument… Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a job that pays a livable wage?
People aren’t dealing with the dangers of delivery because they are lazy or unmotivated, they are doing it because they need the work and it pays barely enough to meet their needs.
Yes, thats why we need some fucking change in the world. My argument is just saying delivery robots are not bad.
Where the hell did I say delivery workers were lazy?
That is LITERALLY the meaning of the “Luddite” position that has been disclaimed.
Version 2 will be weaponized…
It better be. I want a challenge next time.
This is how we get Terminators, who would’ve thought?
If I can get Arnold Schwarzenegger delivering my food, I’m all for it.
walking into a McDonald’s totally naked after appearing in a time bubble outside
“I need 3 big Mac’s, 3 large fries and 3 medium cokes. To go.”
I’ve seen a documentary where Arnold delivers an action figure to a kid in a jetpack. That’s definitely the future I want
I’ll be back with your dessert.
modern crimes in modern times
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time to stock up on crowbars and sledgehammers
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Oh, I’ll get mine from Amazon. They do 1 hour drone delivery now.
I’ll get my own crowbars and sledgehammers, with blackjack and hookers!
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You seem like a person who would enjoy a forced labour!
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No one says “I want to live in a totalitarian shithole” better than a veteran
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Well, this is a side of snow crash I didn’t expect to see so soon.
Actually just had that book delivered today, pretty excited to read it
At least we’ve moved on from killing them in the street.
Poor hitch-hiking bot.
“you wouldn’t -d̵o̵w̵n̵l̵o̵a̵d̵- drone-rob a pizza…”
Sitting behind garbage bean with my Anti drone to rob a pizza.
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I had searched it up but didn’t find it and just went with a shitty ASCII overlay haha
When wasn’t it going to be a thing?
