So much drama. Anyone still using Windows must not dislike the behavior enough to switch.
I’ve used Linux for over 10 years now because I disliked this Microsoft culture even back then with Windows 8 or whatever it was back then. Why are people still using Windows today when Linux is easier than ever?
Windows 7 was a good OS, it tended to not spy on the user. You can see the difference in installation options if you put it into a virtual machine and run it. Compare with today’s windows.
Then compare Linux distros 10 years ago with current ones. Only gotten easier to use and much better looking.
It doesn’t as far as I know come pre installed at the store when you buy a computer.
AFAIK, there are stores and providers who have linux pre install options and there are even dedicated hardware supplies, who focus on linux ref. and
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I personally don’t find anything wrong with Windows
I don’t watch YouTube videos or click on those type of links, so I don’t know what you posted, but no Windows doesn’t bother me. It’s just normal to use it.
And cool if Linux is installed now on laptops at Best Buy, didn’t know that. But not many still, I’m sure.
Because Windows just works. And yeah I need non-open source software shock horror and I dislike Linux’s “oh no your accidentally installing some proprietary software you silly billy don’t worry I’ve prevented it”.
But also it’s really not my choice if the program I want to install doesn’t actually work on Linux and does work on Windows then realistically I have to use Windows.
They are probably referring to distros that for legal reasons don’t include things like Codecs or proprietary drivers and stuff… and then you need to first research how to manually install those, after figuring out that you even need to do that at all…
That’s exactly the issue… you need to properly use it. Most people don’t, and can’t be bothered to when Windows is just pre-installed and mostly doing its job alright…
The one where the library the program needed had to be required from source, and the source had dependencies not in the distro’s repo. Flatpacs might finally be solving this, but for some reason Linux folks still think bundling a few hundred kb of libraries and dependencies with the program is a big nono, so software install is really really hard for anything not in the repo, whereas on Windows it just works.
If you only need Firefox and VLC, Linux is great. If you use a wide variety of programs, expect most to either not work, or only be usable as the Windows version through Wine.
I don’t think you understand how Linux and software work. Windows software doesn’t work on Linux because it depends on other Windows software. Wine tries to supply these missing pieces. Linux isn’t stopping from doing anything.
Yes I do understand how Linux software works. I don’t like it, I’m allowed to understand it and still not like it. What’s with the gatekeeping?
I want my computer to just work I don’t want to have to mess around with it I don’t want to have to try and manage drivers and find versions of drivers that work with a particular operating system I just want to install the program and then use the program.
Windows offers me that. As does Mac accept it comes with a stupidly expensive computer.
Linux is just unnecessary busy work for people who like that kind of thing but I don’t really care about all of that stuff I care about using the programs not the underlying computer stuff. If you like that kind of thing great. But I just want the operating system in my case to get out of the way.
There are rather userfriendly distros like Fedora, Mint which out of the box are just as usable as any windows installation. The only reason i can think of why you might think linux is more complicated is because you have prior experience with windows and would need to re-learn how todo things. But i dont see any user without such notions to describe the linux experience as more complicated.
Having an easy installer and a similar GUI is not the same thing as being ‘usable as Windows’. Mint is still Linux. It comes with every issue that Linux has in being overly complicated for no real reason. It still doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported that Windows does. It’s still a nightmare to install new software. The problem isn’t, and never has been, the distro. The problem is Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user functions that most want to take care of. People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find. Linux has never been able to hold all three of those. They can hold two, at best, and even that is arguable.
“The only reason it’s more complicated is because you’d have to relearn how to do things.” What an utterly meaningless statement. If I was raised using how to learn Linux then obviously it would be more easy. That’s like saying “The only reason it’s hard to learn Chinese is because you were born in an English speaking family.” Of fucking course it would be more easy dude. However I wasn’t raised on Linux. Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use. There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use. No one wants to learn a ridiculously complicated series of commands that they have to type in simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
Here’s me then conceding to the fact that Linux is much harder to use than Windows - when anything goes wrong. Most people can barely even use windows properly, so no, Linux is out of the question for the majority unless they only ever use a web browser.
For people like me however, Linux IS easier to use, which is why the same type of people easily fall into the trap of assuming everyone can be like them.
Your personal experience and how you use the operating system is utterly irrelevant. My point wasn’t an opinion. It is simple fact. Linux requires more steps to get anything done. There is fewer options for ease of use/ease of access. The fact that terminal interactions are required to move a folder is proof of my point.
Linux is a more complicated Operating System and has absolutely zero benefit to the average computer user.
Don’t know why you keep ignoring that simple reality. If it was easier to use/as supported then don’t you think that a free operating system would be more popular? The thing holding it back is the OS itself. Fucking Chrome OS has overtaken most Linux Distros in how commonly installed it is. Simply because it’s just easier to use.
Y’all can keep lying to yourselves and everyone else but you don’t get to be upset when someone points out your horseshit.
That’s not the point (which is also subjective; if you are a Linux developer or uses Linux software at work it’s much harder to use Window). They implied that Linux doesn’t let you install proprietary software, which is not true and shows they don’t understand how software works. Windows software requires proprietary software from Microsoft to run. You can’t run Windows software on Linux because those components are proprietary to Microsoft and are not available for Linux, although Wine tries to reverse engineer them.
How can you tell if somebody is a Linux user? Because they tell you, immediately, upon meeting them for the first time. Then they tell you you’re a stupid subhuman for using windows.
Yes dude. Windows has the same thing and it would be necessary if someone wanted to install Linux on a Windows machine.
If.
There’s one teensy problem with your statement though.
There is simply ZERO Linux software that the average user would be installing on Windows. Either the software has a windows version or the software is redundant.
Note I said the average user. SysAdmins just don’t matter here. You’re asking average people to move over so you don’t get to use a distinctly above average situation for comparisons sake.
So much drama. Anyone still using Windows must not dislike the behavior enough to switch.
I’ve used Linux for over 10 years now because I disliked this Microsoft culture even back then with Windows 8 or whatever it was back then. Why are people still using Windows today when Linux is easier than ever?
Windows 7 was a good OS, it tended to not spy on the user. You can see the difference in installation options if you put it into a virtual machine and run it. Compare with today’s windows.
Then compare Linux distros 10 years ago with current ones. Only gotten easier to use and much better looking.
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Because Linux is Niche. It doesn’t as far as I know come pre installed at the store when you buy a computer. Etc. That’s why people still use Windows.
I personally don’t find anything wrong with Windows. I use it for work and home and it’s fine.
*in the desktop market ( ref. )
AFAIK, there are stores and providers who have linux pre install options and there are even dedicated hardware supplies, who focus on linux ref. and ref
So stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT4vDfA_4NI doenst bother you?
I don’t watch YouTube videos or click on those type of links, so I don’t know what you posted, but no Windows doesn’t bother me. It’s just normal to use it.
And cool if Linux is installed now on laptops at Best Buy, didn’t know that. But not many still, I’m sure.
I am a little confused. Would you be so kind and tell me which of the links i shared look suspicious to you?
Yep, pretty nice.
I might make the switch, but what I really want is for Microsoft to get their shit together.
Because Windows just works. And yeah I need non-open source software shock horror and I dislike Linux’s “oh no your accidentally installing some proprietary software you silly billy don’t worry I’ve prevented it”.
But also it’s really not my choice if the program I want to install doesn’t actually work on Linux and does work on Windows then realistically I have to use Windows.
Wat??
They are probably referring to distros that for legal reasons don’t include things like Codecs or proprietary drivers and stuff… and then you need to first research how to manually install those, after figuring out that you even need to do that at all…
OP is a silly billy and doesn’t know how to properly use Linux.
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Still I don’t even know what OP is referring to. Did they install an FSF-endorsed distro?
That’s exactly the issue… you need to properly use it. Most people don’t, and can’t be bothered to when Windows is just pre-installed and mostly doing its job alright…
Linux never prevents you from installing anything. What distro was this and what happened? :)
The one where the library the program needed had to be required from source, and the source had dependencies not in the distro’s repo. Flatpacs might finally be solving this, but for some reason Linux folks still think bundling a few hundred kb of libraries and dependencies with the program is a big nono, so software install is really really hard for anything not in the repo, whereas on Windows it just works.
If you only need Firefox and VLC, Linux is great. If you use a wide variety of programs, expect most to either not work, or only be usable as the Windows version through Wine.
Oh look, a person whos never used linux but complains
Ever heard of wine?
Yeah but of course but with Windows I don’t need a third party program to install things onto the OS.
When you actually think about it is bizarre why don’t they just let people install things.
I don’t think you understand how Linux and software work. Windows software doesn’t work on Linux because it depends on other Windows software. Wine tries to supply these missing pieces. Linux isn’t stopping from doing anything.
Yes I do understand how Linux software works. I don’t like it, I’m allowed to understand it and still not like it. What’s with the gatekeeping?
I want my computer to just work I don’t want to have to mess around with it I don’t want to have to try and manage drivers and find versions of drivers that work with a particular operating system I just want to install the program and then use the program.
Windows offers me that. As does Mac accept it comes with a stupidly expensive computer.
Linux is just unnecessary busy work for people who like that kind of thing but I don’t really care about all of that stuff I care about using the programs not the underlying computer stuff. If you like that kind of thing great. But I just want the operating system in my case to get out of the way.
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There are rather userfriendly distros like Fedora, Mint which out of the box are just as usable as any windows installation. The only reason i can think of why you might think linux is more complicated is because you have prior experience with windows and would need to re-learn how todo things. But i dont see any user without such notions to describe the linux experience as more complicated.
Having an easy installer and a similar GUI is not the same thing as being ‘usable as Windows’. Mint is still Linux. It comes with every issue that Linux has in being overly complicated for no real reason. It still doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported that Windows does. It’s still a nightmare to install new software. The problem isn’t, and never has been, the distro. The problem is Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user functions that most want to take care of. People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find. Linux has never been able to hold all three of those. They can hold two, at best, and even that is arguable.
“The only reason it’s more complicated is because you’d have to relearn how to do things.” What an utterly meaningless statement. If I was raised using how to learn Linux then obviously it would be more easy. That’s like saying “The only reason it’s hard to learn Chinese is because you were born in an English speaking family.” Of fucking course it would be more easy dude. However I wasn’t raised on Linux. Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use. There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use. No one wants to learn a ridiculously complicated series of commands that they have to type in simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
Here’s me then conceding to the fact that Linux is much harder to use than Windows - when anything goes wrong. Most people can barely even use windows properly, so no, Linux is out of the question for the majority unless they only ever use a web browser.
For people like me however, Linux IS easier to use, which is why the same type of people easily fall into the trap of assuming everyone can be like them.
Once again, y’all completely misunderstand.
Your personal experience and how you use the operating system is utterly irrelevant. My point wasn’t an opinion. It is simple fact. Linux requires more steps to get anything done. There is fewer options for ease of use/ease of access. The fact that terminal interactions are required to move a folder is proof of my point.
Linux is a more complicated Operating System and has absolutely zero benefit to the average computer user.
Don’t know why you keep ignoring that simple reality. If it was easier to use/as supported then don’t you think that a free operating system would be more popular? The thing holding it back is the OS itself. Fucking Chrome OS has overtaken most Linux Distros in how commonly installed it is. Simply because it’s just easier to use.
Y’all can keep lying to yourselves and everyone else but you don’t get to be upset when someone points out your horseshit.
That’s not the point (which is also subjective; if you are a Linux developer or uses Linux software at work it’s much harder to use Window). They implied that Linux doesn’t let you install proprietary software, which is not true and shows they don’t understand how software works. Windows software requires proprietary software from Microsoft to run. You can’t run Windows software on Linux because those components are proprietary to Microsoft and are not available for Linux, although Wine tries to reverse engineer them.
Irrelevant. The original point may have been that but the comment I reacted to, and the line I did, was not.
More over, even if I was responding to the original comment, that doesn’t change how factual mine is.
Edit: Your boos mean nothing when I’ve seen the garbage that makes you cheer
Linux is veganism for computers.
Veganism for computers.
How can you tell if somebody is a Linux user? Because they tell you, immediately, upon meeting them for the first time. Then they tell you you’re a stupid subhuman for using windows.
It’s great fun.
There’s WSL on windows, I don’t wanna say it’s the same thing as wine, but yeah, you may need other programs to install linux software on windows.
Holy shit are you being disingenuous.
Yes dude. Windows has the same thing and it would be necessary if someone wanted to install Linux on a Windows machine.
If.
There’s one teensy problem with your statement though.
There is simply ZERO Linux software that the average user would be installing on Windows. Either the software has a windows version or the software is redundant.
Note I said the average user. SysAdmins just don’t matter here. You’re asking average people to move over so you don’t get to use a distinctly above average situation for comparisons sake.
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Incredible. Bitches about being misunderstood while wildly misunderstanding a comment.
Utterly incapable of doing one thing in a straight line.
Linux user confirmed.
Take your own advice.
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Nearly fell off my chair laughing at that one
Must be an inner ear thing because I recently installed W11 on a new rig and everything has worked and been smooth so far.
And I paid for the license, have at me knave.