Phone material stopped mattering the moment camera bumps became a thing. Now, nearly everyone slaps a case to balance out the bump.
That said, I miss my completely mirrored-back Sony Xperia Z5 Premium.
I miss phones without camera bumps :(
Only fashion victims thought that.
Companies happily obliged them, bumping the price of phones that break much more easily.
I can’t think of anything plastic that I’d consider premium, let alone a phone.
That’s the thinking the article is arguing against.
But I do have an example.
High end polycarbonate prescription lenses for glasses.
The high index, thinnest, lightest lenses, are plastic. Not glass.Also Carbon fibre parts and silicone sextoys and cable shielding
None of that is plastic.
How is that not plastic?
Carbon fibre without plastic is just a hairy string
And with silicone I don’t even understand where the confusion is coming from? What else would it be?You sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole and now I’m less sure of what plastic actually is. Epoxy, which is used for carbon fiber among many, many, many other things, isn’t something I’d say is plastic but I looked it up and it was about 50/50 on plastic vs not. I found similar conflicting information about silicone but it was leaning more toward not being a plastic.
What would you define as plastic then?
Or maybe share some source claiming epoxy isn’t plastic?Plastics are a wide range of synthetic or semi-synthetic materials that use polymers as a main ingredient. - Wikipedia
: a plastic substance specifically : any of numerous organic synthetic or processed materials that are mostly thermoplastic or thermosetting polymers of high molecular weight and that can be made into objects, films, or filaments -Merriam Webster
plastic, polymeric material that has the capability of being molded or shaped, usually by the application of heat and pressure. This property of plasticity, often found in combination with other special properties such as low density, low electrical conductivity, transparency, and toughness, allows plastics to be made into a great variety of products. These include tough and lightweight beverage bottles made of polyethylene terephthalate (PET), flexible garden hoses made of polyvinyl chloride (PVC), insulating food containers made of foamed polystyrene, and shatterproof windows made of polymethyl methacrylate. -Brittanica
Composites like CF and fiberglass use those materials as a stress distributing component and a plastic component as the rigid layer.
Historically fiberglass composites used things like polyester resin - a polymer derived from oil - as the rigid component.
If that’s not a plastic, what is it then?
Metal? Wood? Glass?
Yep, I’m incorrect. Learned something new today.
Which is a problem of perception and marketing, given that in many cases a plastic that has been specifically engineered to perform a function will, unsurprisingly, be better than an alternative.
So your idea of premium is fragile and expensive?
Plastic has superior usability in every way, weight, bulk, durability, shock absorption, less slippery than glass, meaning it doesn’t drop out of pockets handbags or even hands as easily.
So what part about a high end plastic is that isn’t premium in this situation?Utility is for poors. People who don’t count money want something shiny or whatever their peers have. They can easily replace it if it breaks.
It’s time to stop thinking phones are anything but commodity hardware with variable degrees of shittiness. There are no such things as premium phones, just premium prices.
Who wants to pay premium for prices?
I never thought they couldn’t. Glass phones were an absolutely ridiculous idea.
Fuck plastic & the oil industry where it comes from.
Totally agree! I can’t wait to put that granite-cased phone with wood-backed PCBs in my pocket.
That would be sick
I remember seeing people mod the iPhone 4 to replace the glass back with a nice wood back.
Metal and wood can’t be a worse idea than glass. Grippy too. Although without the right treatment it can get gross I guess.
Shhh then it has more planned obsolescence under a veil of greenwash for being biodegradable.
I understand what you mean, but I disagree, there are places where it isn’t necessary, needless use of plastic is a problem. But for the back of a phone, it can avoid buying an even bulkier plastic cover, it can extend the lifetime of the phone, in both cases it reduces waste.
There are plastics that aren’t oil derived. Some of them are even compostable in an industrial setting.
It’s time to stop thinking a phone should be premium
True, too many people treat phones like a status symbol or fast fashion instead of a tool that should be maintained and used for many years.
A tool can also be premium, and there is definitely a difference between an average phone and a premium phone.
The problem is all the nonsense about the premium FEEL, it’s not a feature when it degrades durability, or requires a cover that removes that premium feel anyway. Glass covers are also more slippery, making it more likely to drop out of a pocket or hand bag or even your hands.
Glass is detrimental in every way for usability, just the extra weight of it, makes drops more likely to cause damage. All the reviewers that push “The Premium Feel” without consideration to the downsides, like being slippery, adding weight, being more fragile and making the phone slightly more bulky, should be banned from making reviews.pandering to reviewers who use the phones for a couple of days imstead of actual consumers who want to use it for a few years is probably the stupidest thing they do in this industry
give me a fucking replaceable battery so i can use it for more than a couple of years, stop removing features we all use just so it can feel futuristic and new. give me a repairable fucking phone.
like holy shit please take this off the hands of bean counting capitalists and marketers, and please put computers back in the hands of engineers.
Absolutely, but I think they feel they have to, to get good reviews.
Yes, I completely agree on the complicity of reviewers parroting the same PR buzzwords in every single review. It definitely feels like they have played their part in normalising many of these objectively bad and anti-consumer design decisions.
It’s time to stop thinking a phone should be premium
too many people treat phones like a status symbol
Honestly just be glad you’re not among those misguided and move on.
Good philosophy. I’ve found that I’m much happier on the internet since I stopped being bothered about other people being “wrong”. I cannot save the world, but if I can help out a few people then that’s enough.
nah phones aint premium until the price is lower f*cking phone costs so you dont have to spend half a months salary just to not have it become junk in 3 years and not be a buggy mess at launch premium is not paying an arm and a leg and not having your every move tracked and sold to the highest bidder
I have never once thought that. The fact I have always wrapped my smartphones in an S view style leather case means I could give less than one shit about what the back of my phone has been made of. I watched knuckleheads freeballing their phones, dropping them, cracking the screens, and noped the fuck out of that noise before I even owned my first smart phone. Been doing the leather envelope style case ever since. Knock on wood, never cracked a screen, not tryin to win any beauty contests, just keep my thousand dollar pocket mini computer up and runnin.
When I was younger and more naïve, I used to think a case was useless. I kept my phones in my pocket most of the time, and didn’t feel particularly clumsy or reckless. Then I got a phone that happened to have a glass back, and it broke not because I fumbled it, but because it slid out of my pocket onto time floor while I was sitting down. Glass backs on phones are bullshit.
Ha the exact same thing happened to me. Most expensive phone I ever bought, and it broke first time it was “dropped” slipping out of my pants while I was sitting down. it was such a tiny drop, only half of dropping from a dining table, and probably a third if I was standing with it in my hand.
The effect of the drop being exponential to the height, the about 35-40cm is really a minuscule drop for an everyday tool. Yet it was enough to break the backside glass, which doesn’t even have a purpose, beyond moronic reviewers claiming it FEELS premium.
Well IMO it’s way inferior to high end plastics, that have way better durability, weigh less, is less bulky, and is less slippery. There is simply no comparison, it’s infuriating that Samsung made the Galaxy originally with plastic back, but changed it because ALL reviewers claimed it didn’t feel premium. Completely disregarding it won ALL durability tests against iPhone by far, it wasn’t even a competition.
Fuck idiotic reviewers that scold a feature that is actually hugely beneficial!!! Fuck the Apple way is always better mindset, even when it clearly isn’t.
Yup, I agree 100%. I usually go with a slim case because I follow a few self-imposed rules.
- Phone does not leave pocket when drinking or around people who are drinking.
- I don’t need to take my phone out if I’m visiting friends or family.
- I immediately pocket my phone if I’m moving, even just around the apartment.
I’ve not dropped my phone once since owning my first 12 years ago. I do not care what it’s made of.
High end plastics are by far the superior material from any usability perspective. I hate glass phones, and the first glass phone I bought of course broke in only 4 months! Where I’d never had a phone break on me before. And any of my older plastic phones would probably barely have noticed the tiny drop that broke my glass back phone.
Now I have an added plastic cover, which is ugly, and makes the phone unnecessarily bigger than if it had a quality plastic body instead of the moronic glass.I will never buy anything but phones with a plastic back in the future. Problem is that often the only alternative is vegan leather, which is also not as durable and will show wear way before a high end plastic back.
Loved my Nokia Lumia phone back in the day. Plastic body and glass screen. Solid af.
You know what’s funny? I dream of a form factor like the Nintendo Switch: fully plastic, even the screen, so I could put a high quality glass screen protector like the one I have on the console. The thing is a tank, surviving many falls without a single damage, and I had to swap the protector once in all these years I have it.
It’s funny that we buy these metal and glass phones and then protect them with rubber and plastic cases.
New phones are made to show wear so that they lose resale value.
It’s not funny, it’s moronic. But I guess that’s kind of what you meant. 😋
Funny as in sad
I always buy a new phone and a new case and after some years I ditch the case because it wouldn’t hurt to buy a replacement and it feels like a new slimmer version of my trusted phone…
Premium phones make little sense, based on what I’ve seen everyone puts them in cases anyway. “Premium materials” are slippery and “premium thinness” results in insufficient battery capacity so accessories like phone rings get put on them, and people carry around external battery packs.
Why not just make a grippy, practical phone that I can use as a tool, with removable batteries, a 3.5mm headphone jack, and expandable memory?
Stop making sense!!!
Because that phone would last and you would only need a new one every 4-5 or however many years instead of 1-2 so capitalist companies won’t see that as having any value.
I think companies know what people want and how to make a great phone like that, just none of them will or want to be the first.
so fairphone?, look it up, it’s a phone maker that do exactly that
Fairphone dropped the 3.5mm jack too :(
Burn the witch!
I don’t need the audio jack, but I guess it doesn’t hurt. There are phones that have all that, but unfortunately they are at most mid-range phones which isn’t what I’m looking for.
The only thing premium phones have going for them are really good cameras. I love midrange phones but the photos they produce are not as good as flagships.
I will die on the hill that metal unibody phones felt the most premium. Especially Huawei had a few that had a super smooth surface that almost felt like glass.
Metal unibody degrades usability by shielding magnetic/RF signals. That degrades GPS NFC Bleutooth, wireless charging and probably also compass functionality.
So as I see it, metal bodies are probably not a reasonable option.
They also get dents, they transfer energy from a drop directly to the insides, they transfer heat from the CPU to your hand… Nah thanks. I’ll take plastic.
The issue there is that metal unibody deigns, attenuate RF signal strength. While they can work, it is a tradeoff.
