If it comes down to morals, don’t pirate, boycott. If your actions can be perceived as indistinguishable from selfishness, they probably are. And the only message you’re sending is “we need to crack down more on piracy” not any actual good.
Archival and piracy are different. For you to pirate, there was already an archival copy. Mission accomplished. You downloading a copy without paying for it is not you helping preservation.
For you to pirate, there was already an archival copy.
is it not the case that the more archival copies there are of something the more likely it is to survive?
There is a rather simple paradox, in the world of online and digital archival where, unless you archive it, nobody else has any reason to archive it. I could simply not archive any of the stuff i have archived, under the pretense that someone else probably already archived it, but that’s just a guess and i have no idea whether or not that’s the case.
Once i archive something, it’s possible someone else has already archived it, but i being a known archiver of that material (or not, most archives are private) also substantiates that same paradox.
And besides, let’s say i am archiving, how am i supposed to verify the integrity of my archival copy? Am i not supposed to consume it? That’s the most effective and reliable way to determine the integrity of an archive. Sure i could use hashes or checksums, but those are only are reliable as the original creation of the hash/checksum.
is it not the case that the more archival copies there are of something the more likely it is to survive?
No, it is not. Compare 10,000,000 copies of something that only live on some random people’s phones or 1 copy in the library of Congress where it is someone’s job to manage and preserve it. 50 years from now I think it’s way more likely that the Library of Congress one is still around than the random ones.
Am i not supposed to consume it? That’s the most effective and reliable way to determine the integrity of an archive. Sure i could use hashes or checksums, but those are only are reliable as the original creation of the hash/checksum.
No. Consuming it is neither efficient nor reliable. How would you even know when you consume it that it is the original?
And none of this justifies the piracy itself as opposed to buying it and archiving it? Or if you don’t have the capabilities or means, buying a copy and then pirating that said copy as the archive.
No. You sound apologetic towards shareholders.
Morals are not the same as laws, lol.
And when something is part of the everyday life like this it isn’t really the best thing to stay out of.
Also, boycotting something I wouldn’t have payed for doesn’t make sense. I don’t even understand what you mean.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps (and not from the artists).
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
Agreed. Don’t know why you’re saying that, since I didn’t mention the law anywhere.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps
It is not. If you boycott something you aren’t benefitting. You are making a sacrifice in order to enact a change. And critically, if corporations want you behave differently, in a boycott they give in to demands. With piracy, they try to crack down on piracy.
(and not from the artists).
I’m sorry, how do the artists get paid when you pirate?
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
If that is genuinely what you want, all you have to do is not purchase the content. Pirating it does not help you kill giant publishers. All it does is make it shittier for the people funding your free entertainment.
As I said in a different comment, if this is actually a moral thing for you, for every dollar you save by not paying for the things you enjoy, donate it to a union. If you’re not, it clearly wasn’t really about the artists, it was about you getting free shit.
So, in summary, their income comes from people buying their stuff. So I ask again, how do artists get paid when you pirate? Or is your stance that you want the artists to get paid, you just want other people to do it for you?
I have to say I mostly disagree with your points.
At that kind of profit margins only the dividends get financed.
And I do spent the money on donations (FOSS devs, Wiki, random research, animal stuff), tho I haven’t though of donating to unions. I didn’t even know that is a thing. It isn’t where I live.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
What you can donate to or finance is smol studios. That’s boycotting the big studios, regardless of content consumption.
What are the margins, specifically? Do you do the research on every piece of media you take, or is “just kinda a feeling” that you believe enough for you to feel fine about what you do? And what is your line for at what point you’ll grace them with your money?
It’s great that you make donations, but do you make contributions in line with what you would have paid for the media to take? If so, I believe you that it’s not about the money but a moral stance. If not, I don’t believe that you aren’t doing it for your own self interest.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
I’m genuinely not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you saying that you don’t think unions need money? Are you familiar with union dues? Or strike funds? Lobbyists or lawyers?
And are you saying that the unions are the “strog guys?” If so, then why are you saying that they don’t make enough of a percent for it to justify you paying them for their work? If you want to pay to the poor or a charity, fine.
My fundamental point is, if you pirate a $20 movie/game/whatever and you don’t donate $20 to whatever cause you feel is worthwhile, and instead keep that money for yourself, you are pirating because you want things without having to pay for it. Full stop. Anything else is just trying to justify your free shit.
If it comes down to morals, don’t pirate, boycott. If your actions can be perceived as indistinguishable from selfishness, they probably are. And the only message you’re sending is “we need to crack down more on piracy” not any actual good.
unless you bring in archival, in which case piracy is actually morally good, because of how often content just fucking disappears from the market.
Archival and piracy are different. For you to pirate, there was already an archival copy. Mission accomplished. You downloading a copy without paying for it is not you helping preservation.
is it not the case that the more archival copies there are of something the more likely it is to survive?
There is a rather simple paradox, in the world of online and digital archival where, unless you archive it, nobody else has any reason to archive it. I could simply not archive any of the stuff i have archived, under the pretense that someone else probably already archived it, but that’s just a guess and i have no idea whether or not that’s the case.
Once i archive something, it’s possible someone else has already archived it, but i being a known archiver of that material (or not, most archives are private) also substantiates that same paradox.
And besides, let’s say i am archiving, how am i supposed to verify the integrity of my archival copy? Am i not supposed to consume it? That’s the most effective and reliable way to determine the integrity of an archive. Sure i could use hashes or checksums, but those are only are reliable as the original creation of the hash/checksum.
No, it is not. Compare 10,000,000 copies of something that only live on some random people’s phones or 1 copy in the library of Congress where it is someone’s job to manage and preserve it. 50 years from now I think it’s way more likely that the Library of Congress one is still around than the random ones.
No. Consuming it is neither efficient nor reliable. How would you even know when you consume it that it is the original?
And none of this justifies the piracy itself as opposed to buying it and archiving it? Or if you don’t have the capabilities or means, buying a copy and then pirating that said copy as the archive.
No. You sound apologetic towards shareholders.
Morals are not the same as laws, lol.
And when something is part of the everyday life like this it isn’t really the best thing to stay out of.
Also, boycotting something I wouldn’t have payed for doesn’t make sense. I don’t even understand what you mean.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps (and not from the artists).
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
Agreed. Don’t know why you’re saying that, since I didn’t mention the law anywhere.
It is not. If you boycott something you aren’t benefitting. You are making a sacrifice in order to enact a change. And critically, if corporations want you behave differently, in a boycott they give in to demands. With piracy, they try to crack down on piracy.
I’m sorry, how do the artists get paid when you pirate?
If that is genuinely what you want, all you have to do is not purchase the content. Pirating it does not help you kill giant publishers. All it does is make it shittier for the people funding your free entertainment.
As I said in a different comment, if this is actually a moral thing for you, for every dollar you save by not paying for the things you enjoy, donate it to a union. If you’re not, it clearly wasn’t really about the artists, it was about you getting free shit.
my guy, they were already paid for their time, this isn’t a small indie production.
You didn’t answer the question. Where did the money come from that paid for their time?
the studios that originally produced the content, the people that are paying for streaming services, and if it’s a movie, the box office earnings.
And physical media sales, if any.
So, in summary, their income comes from people buying their stuff. So I ask again, how do artists get paid when you pirate? Or is your stance that you want the artists to get paid, you just want other people to do it for you?
I have to say I mostly disagree with your points.
At that kind of profit margins only the dividends get financed.
And I do spent the money on donations (FOSS devs, Wiki, random research, animal stuff), tho I haven’t though of donating to unions. I didn’t even know that is a thing. It isn’t where I live.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
What you can donate to or finance is smol studios. That’s boycotting the big studios, regardless of content consumption.
What are the margins, specifically? Do you do the research on every piece of media you take, or is “just kinda a feeling” that you believe enough for you to feel fine about what you do? And what is your line for at what point you’ll grace them with your money?
It’s great that you make donations, but do you make contributions in line with what you would have paid for the media to take? If so, I believe you that it’s not about the money but a moral stance. If not, I don’t believe that you aren’t doing it for your own self interest.
I’m genuinely not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you saying that you don’t think unions need money? Are you familiar with union dues? Or strike funds? Lobbyists or lawyers?
And are you saying that the unions are the “strog guys?” If so, then why are you saying that they don’t make enough of a percent for it to justify you paying them for their work? If you want to pay to the poor or a charity, fine.
My fundamental point is, if you pirate a $20 movie/game/whatever and you don’t donate $20 to whatever cause you feel is worthwhile, and instead keep that money for yourself, you are pirating because you want things without having to pay for it. Full stop. Anything else is just trying to justify your free shit.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.