Amazon is seeing some employees quit instead of moving to a new state as part of relocation mandate::As Amazon tries to get employees back to the office, some staffers are being told to relocate to hubs in different states if they want to keep their jobs
Exactly by design. It’s a lot cheaper to make people quit than to lay them off and pay a severance package.
The problem is you lose good employees this way, instead of the employees you should actually be letting go of.
And then those good employees go work for your competition. Oopsie!
And then those good employees go work for your competition. Oopsie!
And Amazon’s competition is…
Depending on the jobs, also Google, Microsoft, etc…
Any company that does any kind of logistics. You also don’t have to work for a direct competitor. If Amazon is on your resume you’ll have options.
The best employees are getting messages from recruiters all the time with lucrative offers to go elsewhere. It’s foolish to give them a reason to even consider those offers.
In Belgium, Netherlands and Luxembourg we have a direct competitor called bol.com
These appear to be predominantly corporate jobs. Those folks can go to either a tech company or a logistics company depending on their role. Their skillsets transfer just fine to other companies, competitors or not.
Google, Microsoft, IBM, and Alibaba compete in the cloud hosting market. eBay, Alibaba, Walmart, (insert any other online retailer) compete in the retail sales markets. Netflix, Hulu, Sling, Google, HBO Max all compete in the streaming TV market.
In addition to all of the above, there are numerous other industries that would be glad to hire competent IT staff who leave Amazon.
The one that makes the decision sees all workers as replaceable cogs and the managers that know which people are the good ones are not consulted. We call that the “foie gras” style of management.
Most of Amazon functions this way at this point. It didn’t used to be so bad, but things really went to shit with some belt tightening in 2017/2018 where management wasn’t thoughtful. It was more about networking than a meritocracy.
Exactly this. Also, the market has cooled off now with more people looking for employment, so if they need to rehire, it will be cheaper.
Am Amazon employee (programmer) and can confirm. The shenanigans being pulled right now are absolutely bullshit and as somebody who’s been at the company for a long time and has generally enjoyed the fast paced, high pressure atmosphere I’m real close to saying “fuck you” to some of my favorite people.
Note, my experience is probably far from the norm, but my org has nothing but wonderful individuals and they’ve fought really hard to keep the flexibility we’ve had since long before covid.
Fuck you Andy Jassy. We all despise you.
Jassy is Amazon’s Ballmer.
I could not have said it better <3
Soo, uhh…
How many boobs got DMed to you?
As an Ex Amazonian, (did 5 years time in the Bezos era), you all are forgetting that Amazon’s entire culture is built to be predatory towards type A people. Jassy didn’t start that, Bezos did. Jassy is just relentless because of AWS operations. He’s not better or worse than Besos.
Ballmer nearly destroyed Microsoft and Satya had to save it.
This is why they did it. It’s a great way to reduce headcount without paying severence.
Forced relocation of more than 20 miles or so (some reasonable amount that doesn’t require a move) should not allow a company to get out of severance. That should be illegal.
In many countries it is classed as constructive dismissal.
It’s not exactly illegal but it is considered constructive dismissal which at least qualifies you for unemployment.
Well, uh… Duh? I mean, even if people absolutely loved their jobs and their employer, not everyone is going to move because the job moves. And Amazon isn’t exactly the most loved employer.
I’ve gotten over the idea of moving to a new location for a job. Right now I’m living in a city that I love and would not want to move out just to pursue a career opportunity.
That’s definitely a new thing that’s come out after COVID hit but there’s no going back for me anyhow
I bought my house right before COVID. No job is getting me to move at this point, and even if they wanted to there’s no offer lucrative enough to make selling a good idea. Interest rates would need to plummet first and we know that’s not happening anytime soon.
5 billion dollars to move…
Had a job that could be done remotely. New VP wanted all of his people in one place that was across the country. Two people out of about twenty went. One was promised a promotion and the other was close to retirement.
This is one way to reduce staff without having to fire or pay severance.
People aren’t afraid of what will happen if they quit a job they don’t like anymore after COVID taught us that we can weather some down time and find employers that match our values.
How is this even legal. Isn’t this considered workplace bullying?
It’s constructive dismissal.
Sorry guys, we are moving your position to Antarctica. Can’t come? Oh well I guess you get no severance.
Please explain what ypu think “workplace bullying” is here. While I think it’s stupid, in at will states, Amazon’s terms of employment can be whatever Amazon wants as long as they comply with federal and state laws. It’s not illegal to tell you your job is moving. It’s just a shitty thing to do to your employees. There’s not bullying here. It’s just terms of employment.
What do you consider bullying if not just doing shitty things to people because you can?
I mean I don’t like capitalism, but this is just capitalism. I appreciate that there is emotion in it, but it’s not as personal as bullying is and I think you are misusing the term bullying altogether. Bullying is a personal attack, this isn’t personal and doesn’t impact an individual in the same way bullying does.
Doesn’t make it right, but this is not bullying. Also, bullying isn’t illegal in any context. You’d have to argue for a hostile work environment and saying your job moved isn’t a hostile work environment.
huuuh, movve or lost your job.
It is suprised to see many people want to lost their job instead of move.
Kid these day are so lazy.
You’re trying too hard
