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I know we’d all like some scientific actualisation of Star Wars but I mean:
- They made noise in space 'cause that’s fun.
- There was always gravity on pretty much any ship.
- I don’t really recall any spacewalks so we don’t see any instance of ‘no gravity’
- There’s hyperspace since lightyears is a bit of a long time.
- Stormtroopers seem very scientifically and inefficiently accurate
At this point I think the Star Wars movies (the oldies) pretty much ignored a fair bit of the science.
But if it was a death star literally put there in our universe, I think there would be a bit of structural considerations for gravity, but not huge due to it being quite hollow. Gravity is pretty strong when the sphere is entirely comprised of dense rock and no air. A mostly hollow sphere of air where air is something close to 1/1000 that of rock (yes, used the density of water lol) is not going to get much of a rollicking from gravity.
I don’t really recall any spacewalks so we don’t see any instance of ‘no gravity’
Leia did one in the sequels.
I don’t deny the star wars universe is getting a bit more of an update in the cinemas, especially post-Interstellar and whatnot, but space opera in the 80s was really intent on ignoring the stark reality of space for both constraints of filming and viewership. Goddamn fun though.
Spacewalks are a bad example anyway. A ship’s artificial gravity could extend outside its hull. Conversely, the lack of spacewalks doesn’t mean we aren’t shown the absence of gravity, since we see the ships themselves maneuvering in a way that suggests a lack of gravity.
Gravity in SW is still kind of fucked, but not “gravity in deep space” fucked.
Good call on it being hollow and mostly air.
FYI for soil, air is ~1/2000 the density.
There’s plenty of spacewalks in Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. They don’t have gravity there and instead have to use thrusters or magnetized boots.
This is just my head canon, but the noise actually comes from speakers on board the ship /in the cockpit, to help give the pilot an audio cue as to where hazards are around them.
This is just my head canon, but the noise actually comes from speakers on board the ship /in the cockpit
I’m pretty sure this was explicitly addressed in at least one of the pre-Disney novels, and was somewhat entrenched with a part of the fanbase afterward.
Lightyears measure distance, not time.
okay guy-on-the-way-to-Brock
Quantum Physics joined the chat
When time is measured in meters you know you’re in for one hell of a ride.
And parsecs measure distance, not time, and yet here we are.
That’s been explained.
I hate that retcon. Let Han Solo be a sleazy piece of shit conman. Stop trying to make his lies real via retains. Don’t make him shoot in retaliation. In the original edit he has an arc. He goes from sleazy piece of shit to respected rebellion leader. Almost like he was a metaphor for how a lot of insurgents have backgrounds as pieces of shit. Now the cannon has him as a squeaky clean guy always doing the right thing even when sometimes he doesn’t realize he’s doing the right thing
How do you feel about Jar-Jar being a Dark Lord of the Sith?
Or midichlorians being attracted to the Force rather than being the source of it?
Do you have other retcons you don’t like?
Shortcuts, baby!
These guys are supposedly in a vacuum outside the first DS:
There’s a whole Legends thing for Spacetroopers. New canon is pretty much just the guys above.
Spoilsport! But like you say this is fiction, and entertainment, it is a fantasy world! :)
But yeah, the last one bugs me in soo many films and tv shows. They have super advanced AI robots tech, they can regrow a hand in a day, no more disease and live 257, transport living moving organisations across great distances, have developed telepaths and telekinetics, and can fold space-time, but are fucked if they can shoot straighter than a drunk badger with one ‘arm’, balancing on a log going down a rapids!
Yeah, the fact that we already have the technology to make a gun that handles the aiming for you… and we aren’t even shooting light, which would be even easier to auto aim. Fights should be super short and boring, one shot, one kill… 20 shots, 20 kills. There would be no action heroes because very few people would ever live through more than a handful of fights. The heroes would be the beurocrats, so we’d have to spend alot more time watching them.
Sounding like they made the right choice.
They shoot plasma, not lasers. Think Halo alien weapons.
I think the animated shows had a few more space realistic moments like space walk repairs and such.
Best battle scene in the whole series from clever tactics PoV IMO was Anakin deploying his artillery into a planetary ring system and then using his capital ship to bait Greivous into a pin between the ring mounted tanks and the capital ship.
Best battle overall is obviously the siege of Mandalore just for the absolute knockdown drag out chaos in the middle of a domed city megastructure that’s probably meant to be a seed for an eventual ecumenopolis.
the sphere entirely comprises* dense rock
or
the sphere is entirely composed* of dense rock
I thought you might be correcting me so I checked up the definition. Both are okay?
‘Composed of’ is a better sounding phrasing though.
I don’t really recall any spacewalks so we don’t see any instance of ‘no gravity’
in The Last Jedi, Leia gets blasted into hard space and experiences weightlessness.
And then it really gets accurate.
Leia, a part time space wizard, uses her space magic to move through space. TBH I’ve never understood why people cried foul at that scene.
Because she’s a girl and girls can’t be wizards.
Because they can believe space wizards but the idea of a twin sister of one of the most powerful space wizards in the canon being able to also learn space wizard shit over the course of several intervening decades breaks their incel brains.
Same reason why Holdo caught shit for not telling Poe anything while my Navy friends were all relieved to find out she wasn’t the kind of ship commander who would actually fucking execute you and dump your body in the drink for the level of blatant insubordination that idiot was pulling just in front of her face nevermind scheming behind her back with Finn and Rey to undermine her plans, and also to accuse her of being the traitor and arranging a kangaroo court mutinee basically acting as a thin veneer for him to shoot her in the face under color of “law” for having the gall to actually treat him like the insubordinate demoted twit he was.
Because it looked silly. That is all.
They specifically noted they were talking about the old movies. Or didn’t you get that far before you needed to “correct” them?
I seem to recall one instance that may portray the lack of gravity. When Darth Vader gets shot and goes spinning off. That’s about it.
Good catch, I think you’re right
He doesn’t get shot, one of his wingmen gets shot and then his other wingman crashes into him.
You’re right, it’s been too long since I’ve watched it
he was just doing that because it’s a neat trick
It’s so wizard!
Wasn’t there a space fight with horses on the wing of a star destroyer in the rise of Skywalker?
Yes, I’m pretty sure either a hobbyist equestrian or a full on equestrian’s parent was on the sequel trilogy’s rollover staff, for two separate sequences to feature space horses coming to the rescue.
Also, low-key bummed that we didn’t get Finding Your Roots with Lando Calrissian and totally not just gender flipped Finn but aged slightly and in charge of a bunch of other horse girl deserter storm troopers.
Lol yes but that was within a planetary gravity well
Don’t make excuses for the sequels.
One of my gripes with star wars is a pilot can fly any ship from any faction without prior flight experience on that ship. They just go in flip some switches, push some buttons then jumps into the pilot seat and off they go.
My headcannon for this is that spaceships in that universe are to those people what cars are to us. If you know the basics of driving a car, you can drive most cars, though the bigger ships might get more complicated (I’ve never seen one of our heroes try to back up a star destroyer into a starbase to help with their buddy’s move.)
That’s one of the many things Andor gets right, at least with that shuttle they steal near the start of the series. Cassian basically chews his crew out for planning to just jump into an unfamiliar ship and wing it.
There was always gravity on pretty much any ship
And if the ship got damaged where the nose started falling (downward?) the gravity would shift towards the nose so that everyone went sliding across the floor.
That only happened near planets.
Star Wars ships don’t orbit. They simply hang in the sky, in much the same way that bricks don’t. In Star Trek ships orbit to save on fuel costs while parked near a planet. But in Star Wars antigravity is so cheap that it’s more efficient to be stationary relative to the planet’s surface. Which means no microgravity.
The first one because luke fell off the bottom.
That was Cloud City
Was it? Dang, my bad. What about Lord Palpatine?
He fell from the top so he could have just fell to the middle
he didn’t fall out the bottom. he was killed, then retcond by mucky mousse.
Somehow he returned
Logic says B but LEGO says A
The second one, but standing on the outside of the sphere. It rotates around the gun.
Probably A. It would likely have used artificial gravity just like any starship. Star-Trek has it built into the deck plates but I dunno how Star Wars does it. Artificial gravity can then be dialed in to compensate for the natural gravity of the structure. Which is probably less than you’d think. Without normal gravity effects, the internal air and water pressure will be mostly uniform across the ship instead of denser towards the core.
Same with the matter making up the structure. It’ll largely be hollow and filled with air, so much lower natural gravity than an actual moon of the same size. According to official sources (referenced here: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/92401/is-the-death-star-s-gravitational-force-strong-enough-to-hold-an-atmosphere) it’s between 120 & 160 km radius, for a probable gravity of ~0.04g. That’s not quite microgravity, but still far too low to be walking around in. For comparison Lunar gravity is ~0.166g.
It’s practically no moon
Left.
Look at the windows.
Probably left simply because The death star is big but I don’t believe it’s big enough to hide the curve
Judging by their ships, they have gravity generators which are small enough and have a small enough ratio of energy consumption to energy generation to be used in something like the Millenium Falcon.
Which would mean that from an Engineering point of view the option on the left would be perfectly feasible.
On the other hand it does make some sense to structure a combat vehicle as an onion with more mission critical sections inside were they are better protected and less important ones on the outside - you easilly have armour in between levels in that setup whilst in the setup on the left you would need to explicitly add rings of armor sectioning your corridors to achieve the same.
That said, in the Star Wars films we can see that the ship hangars with access to space have a “side” open to space and the “floor” side perpendicular to the radius line of the Death Star, which is consistent with the left side option and inconsistent with the right side one (where the opening to space would be on the top).
Judging by their ships, they have gravity generators which are small enough and have a small enough ratio of energy consumption to energy generation to be used in something like the Millenium Falcon.
Indeed and it’s quite clear that the Falcon has two gravity planes perpendicular to each other: 1. the plane that supports everyone on the main deck (cockpit, crew lounge, etc.) and 2. the gun battery gravity plane at 90 degrees. This is easiest to see in A New Hope during the TIE Fighter battle in the escape from the Death Star. Han and Luke are sitting back-to-back, separated by a short corridor that sits perpendicular to the main deck. I don’t think most people notice this because it’s not obvious.
There’s no way they used that much of the interior. Where do all those giants pits go?
Down.
to answer this question, ordinarily, i would just reach for the nearest sci-fi game and tell you how they implemented it, but the only game that comes to mind is Space Engineers and that game has both of these
B) if their antigrav is like 2001 a space Odyssey. A) if they’re using local gravity (eg built in the gravitational orbit of something).
So depends where it was built.
Either way miniaturization is what they really need to focus their efforts on. Hell, they’d save a lot of space if it were an unmanned drone. Which is also true of Elon Musks schemes to get to Mars.
Everything reminds me of her.
Besides technical diagrams from supplementary stuff, the Falcon lands in a docking bay that’s oriented towards the first option. There could be some kind of transition point to the second option, but we don’t see it and it’d be really awkward.
I imagine they were shaping gravity anyway they wanted to.
Yeah, faster-than-light travel is an older technology in Star Wars than agriculture is in the real world.
I’d expect a little thing like artificial gravity to be a solved problem.
If we take KOTOR into account, then pretty much everything that’s possible to invent in the SW universe has been invented, and technology only changes when knowledge gets lost or rediscovered.
It’s not gravity, it’s the ForceTM
You’re held down by middlefloorians.
