You must log in or # to comment.
Uber was always more expensive then a taxi, at least in NYC/London. It was originally marketed as a “luxury” transportation option. The cloud was always ~2x more Operation Expenses with the value proposition that you didn’t have any Capital Expenses so if you were a startup it was easier to sell-out and get started with lower risk. Streaming is still cheaper then cable, but it is getting shittier.
Streaming is still cheaper than cable
That really depends on where you live. With my current provider here in the Netherlands, I would be paying 12.50 euros extra for TV.
Netflix standard is already more expensive than that at 13.99.
Clowd was never cheap; it was versatile, and it still is.
Just, please, get over this ‘cheap’ fallacy. It’s expensive as shit, either in direct costs or the labour required to min-max for savings. If you’re not regularly bulldozing a massive portion of your stuff or running in two regions for resilience, then you should just look at another idea – and Don’t say Azure, as there’s a reason we call that cheap hot-garbage ‘unsure’.
thank you. came to the comments to say exactly this.
cloud could be cheap, but it’s a lot of work, or at least attention. people get disappointed with the costs, paradoxically, because cloud is easy and, as you put, versatile. and often between any two options allowing to do the same thing, the easier one will be more expensive.
the biggest irony of the cloud is that many companies it seems, just like different species evolved into crabs, discover that all they need is a couple of own servers in a managed hosting environment, a CDN and outlook.
They’ve missed AirBNB and the likes.
That is a lower circle of hell.
Isn’t that how silicon valley worked for years even within itself? Run a loss for long enough until you’ve overtaken the market and then raise prices when the competition has lost their edge.
That’s what China is trying to do with their EVs in other markets right now too as another example.
Yet you still see people grumbling about how restrictions on chinese EV imports are just “American/Western Imperialism”, since people apparently don’t understand how valueable domestic production is
It’s because the USA floods countries with cheap goods all the time and then cries foul when someone else does it. It’s pure hypocrisy.
What cheap goods does the US produce and flood other countries with? Even in the US, most of our products are made in China.
Well, Facebook, google spring to mind. They are both cheap for the consumer and undermine local competition. Digital goods can be dumped too.
US Agricultural goods are heavily subsidized and, thanks to NAFTA, flooded Mexico’s markets and destroyed farmers’ livelihoods.
A primary purpose of technology under capitalism is the violent control of people and the planet. Any actual progress is an unwanted side effect.
Is there a reasonable explanation for this or is it plain greed? In my book, technology gets always cheaper, but scalability is also always a concern.
It’s just greed. Companies exist to create profit for their shareholders, any social value they produce in the process is strictly incidental.
That’s not “greed”. It’s capitalism.
Sure, capitalism is a system that rewards greed and egoism ensuring that psychopaths rise to the top of the society.
Yawn.
Or do you think such people don’t rise to the top in socialist systems?
Yeah, I think people who rise to the top are products of selection pressures they’re exposed to, and capitalism selects for the entirely wrong things. You’re just another victim of capitalist realism bud.
You said greed twice. Or you said capitalism twice.
Cloud was never supposed to be “cheap”. It has always been a utility based model where you pay for how much you use it. The problem is, way too many people used is as a 1:1 replacement without rearchitecting their workloads, so of course it’s gonna be more expensive.
Not just that, but the big value proposition was supposed be that you wouldn’t need sysadmins. In practice, these services are so complex that you need a dedicated skill set to use them, except now it’s specific skills for each provider that aren’t directly transferable.
Which means you can sell support in addition to the service itself. Mission accomplished!
Not to mention the benefits of having vendor lock in, since migrating to a different service becomes prohibitively expensive.
I’ve been adding a bunch of torrent-focused features to both lemmy-ui and jerboa this week, the next releases of both should have them.
Oh that’s very exciting!
Yaaar matey! The good ol’ days when all the streaming services we had, combined, was $65/mo give or take. That nearly doubled in the last year almost two. Finally cut off all streaming services.
Wait till the CFOs start tallying up the GenAI bills…
Turns out making everything into a subscription service doesn’t make it better, it just makes it worse.
capitalism.jpeg
Inflation / recession.
Long live plex, set sails
Jellyfin FTW! Free for all.
You might want to look up “Enshitification”.
No surprises here…
First new word I learned on lemmy a few months back.
I think of it multiple times a day when browsing my RSS feed
Hell yeah to those websites that still publish RSS feeds, though
All the websites I follow do, so I am lucky
But yeah instant +1 if a website offer RSS feeds
yeah that’s basically what this
It didn’t suddenly go that way. It was always the plan. A loss leader.
I think you give the idiots in charge of the corps that can’t see beyond a 3 month window of time too much credit. It is just the natural progression of unchecked and unregulated Capitalism that will always lead to this place, regardless of the industry or technology.
Don’t get me wrong, I want to blame them too for their evil plot, but they’re too dumb to have contrived the whole narrative.
Example with the cloud:
- Look over past decades, storing your data in servers has been a thing for decades. Companies have tried time and again to get the concept to stick in various forms, and it always waxed and waned. (Reverse-example right now is AI, since people barely want it, and having it in the cloud is even creepier, manufacturers are trying to make people comfortable with cloud-executed AI queries, and otherwise releasing limited subsets of compute that run locally on the phone.)
- Voice recognition tech like Voice Command (predecessor to Siri for those super young) started on phone-only. Then Siri used to run on the cloud until phones became powerful enough to run more commands locally and they moved more commands to the phone.
- Apple used to synchronize SMS messages between iPhones and other Apple devices in a secure local method on your local WiFI network. Then, as they sold more types of devices, it made it evolutionarily (made up word) necessary to move that logic to the cloud. They probably didn’t pre-think that all this would be clouded, they just got there out of need to sell a new toy, and suddenly screw the alleged privacy they purport to worship.
The reality is, a lot of these cloud techs have been held up by:
- Lack of fast enough Internet bandwidth to make it doable, nobody is going to spend 4 hours a day uploading photos somewhere
- Lack of fast local compute, hilariously, local compute can do most things now, but in the past, the local compute wasn’t fast enough to be able to parse/process the data to send to the cloud
- Lack of local storage, again, prepping data for cloud transport and having local caching be performant requires enough throwaway space on the local machine that users don’t become frustrated with the latency of remote disks in a datacenter
- Lack of metadata for trust verification like FaceID, fingerprint, GPS geolocation, and other security functions so the company could avoid fraud
- Lack of quality mobile cameras and recording devices making the input content garbage
Once these problems ended up being solved, it wasn’t some visionary with a big plan executing. It was just another Business Weenie being paid 9 figures having the same idea 300 other people had, and it just sticking this time because the technological environment is different.
(Replace Apple examples with Google, Microsoft, Cisco whoever as necessary.)
That’s some bob cringely like dissection - love it!
I think the long term commitment is there for everyone and it’s the only way to undeestand how focusing quarter to quarter by executives leads to this result.
Everyone is committed to profit.
Chokepoint capitalism moreso than enshittification. Both are terms from Cory Doctorow.
Surprise we got scammed again.
