Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
I would be worried about disease first, but if it’s your own cells maybe there’s less chance? Prions are terrifying
My second question would be taste
If there’s no disease and it tastes good then fuck yeah all in
Theoretically, if you don’t consume any of spine or nervous system, you should be good.
I can’t grow me a spine steak?
What even is the point then
Unless you already have prions from CJD you can’t catch Kuru by eating yourself. You have to actually eat someone who already has prions to catch it. Even then you have to eat nervous system tissue to be at a significant risk.
Those cannibals who got prions ate human brain.
It’s not like they can check what kinds of cells you put in. No need to made this weird by cultivating human meat.
The kit likely is optimized for human muscle cells and might not perform as well with other human cells or muscle cells from another species or even not at all. The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate. I doubt that your refrigerated steak has viable cells.
I don’t think the requiernments for mammalian muscles cells are that different from each other. It might be optimized for a specific animal, but I’m pretty sure it will still work in general or it would only take very small adjustments to make it work for a different mammal.
The other question is where would you find livable cells from a cow or whatever that you wanted to cultivate
Yeah, you’d need a live or very recently deceased cow. But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter. And once this method is viable and widespread enough there will probably “biopsy cows” that just get pricked for cell samples all day.
But it should be easy enough to obtain some samples before or during regular slaughter.
It’s a DIY kit for layers to play around at home. I don’t know where I would obtain samples before or during regular slaughter for my 49,99€ kit from Amazon tbh
Ask a local farm or butchers shop for example.
But yeah, it’s probalby more of a toy and I doubt that growning your own steak at home will catch on. You need industrial scale meat cultivation if you want to compete with the current convinence and price of meat.
Ok that makes sense. I live very urbanized and unfortunately without books and talks my kid would probably grow up thinking meat grows in plastic packaging, so a local farm or butcher is rather out of reach. I’m probably also approaching this more from a laboratory perspective than necessary.
I also hope lab grown meat catches on, but we need a) a really good cell line to not always have to take fresh cell samples from living animals and b) a sustainable and plant based alternative to FCS. I think scaling it up wouldn’t even be such a huge problem eventually. What I am much more surprised by is that so many people have an ick with lab grown meat. How is this grosser than eating a dead animal or insects?
Completely ethical why would it not be?
That’ like losing a finger and go: yeah, i’ll eat that.
Which I would classify as pretty weird, but not really unethical. Besides, I think the comparison doesn’t fully work - it’s more like, growing a lump on your body somewhere, having it removed, and saying “hey, can I eat that?”. Which I would also classify as weird, but not unethical.
A little gross too, but not unethical. Like eating boogers.
What if you have cancer and don’t know it, and just accidentally happen to grow a tumour for dinner?
Then you have your starter meat and can start the age old tradition of passing it down from generation to generation so that they can keep making You Steaks forever.
“My great-great grandpa/ma sure is delicious!”
How do you know the cancer won’t make it tastier?
It’s not a toomah!
By what technicality this isn’t cannibalism?
Well it’s not actually available yet (and perhaps won’t ever be), so it’s more cantibalism.
I would call it auto-cannibalism. I think it is a form of cannibalism.
I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
And what if you don’t own a Honda?
But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?
would you be OK with eating them
are they yummy ?
If you’re eating yourself I think it’s autophagy
This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.
In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.
Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.
I would 100% at least try my own home grown meat cells.
Damn, I love your response, even though I don’t know of I agree! Are you Vegan?
I personally see it as No, because I see us humans as special. Speaking as an atheist, end of day, we are special as humans.
I eat meat, I try to limit it to the ethically harvested. Hunted, family farm grown, it even tastes the best, any concerns aside. But eating a person is WRONG, consent or no.
I’m not vegan or vegetarian anymore because I have a lot of allergies that prevent me from eating plant based anything. But I also try to limit it to locally and ethically harvested when I do eat meat.
I identify as agnostic and definitely don’t believe that any one living being is better or more special than the others (except maybe cats).
It’s interesting that you ask if they are vegan, as if understanding the ethical problems of eating meat would only be valid if you are also strictly vegan.
You evidently understand it is not completely ethically correct to eat animals in all circumstances, as you say you only eat ethically harvested meat. But you also say you believe humans to be special as a reason to eat animals, so why not eat all animals under all circumstances?
The main point though, why would it still be wrong to eat human meat if lab grown and consensual?
Why is it wrong though? And why/how are people special? You didn’t provide any reasoning to either.
So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it’s a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don’t think it’s unethical, but it’s still a weird thing]
Yeah, I’m also unsure how I feel about it, I asked because it’s such a strange thing to think about
We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person’s life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.
In the current hypothetical:
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It’s screened, you can’t legally sell prion meat
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It’s taken nonlethally as a sample from a consenting human, possibly you
Ethical
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stealing other people’s cells to eat them
This will become a sex thing for sure
I made a post about that a while ago: https://feddit.uk/post/14228639
Well if they combine that with 3D printed cell scaffolds they can eventually make a flesh fleshlight out of their own cells
The time is coming for the most involved “go fuck yourself” ever.
Streets ahead
3D printed cell scaffolds combined with this mean you can shape them
Now I wonder if someone has actually tried making a dildo from cultured flesh and skin
There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.
As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
Even if you did, while super weird as long as you didn’t get the cells through violence it’s probably still more ethical than the meat industry.
You can probably use some violence and still come out ahead. I don’t know how to do that math though.
Yes. You consented. It’s just more you.
I already have enough of me to go around.
Sounds like you don’t need to eat for a while then.
Non-issue or skill issue. Pick your poison.
I’ll pick not being a dick to strangers online, thanks.
Shades of Wendy meat from Rudy Rucker’s “Ware” tetralogy
auto cannibalism? %100 sure there will be tv shows about who has the best taste and the texture as well as onlyfans models selling cells from different parts of their body for astronomic prices
This is fine. I probably taste good.
I bet I taste delicious!
This is ethical despite it walking the line of taboo. It hurts no one, and if the tissue sample can be extracted at home without causing damage to the donor I see no issue with it.
Why not take the cells of farm animals and create steaks, etc?
It’s unethical because it’s gross and I personally don’t like it.
This guy understands the root of ethics
It’s ethical relativism y’all!
I mean it worked for gay sex!
Anyone who doesn’t like gay sex hasn’t tried it.
Meh, not everyone is good at sex no matter the proclivity
Carnists well do anything to eat meat
I knew one of you would show up in this post and make it all about you
This post isn’t about you
Your right it’s not. It’s about your poor health.
Oh no, meat grown in a way that doesn’t harm sentient beings! How awful!
Oh come on veggist, I eat you and you eat me, in a consensual lab grown way.
And I am just kidding, not even sure I am on board with this, i think eating lab grown cow meat would be less upsetting.
It’s just frustrating. Despite study after study showing that consumption of meat leads to poor health, people keep doing it. It just reminds me of being an addict. Other people saying this causes less harm to other sentient beings are right I’ll conceded to that but based off everything I know, the consumption of meat isn’t an act of self love. I may just be sensitive because my mother is dying of stomach disease. Beans and rice vegan steps off soap box
Could we genetically engineer a synthetic meat cell line that is healthy enough to eat?
We’re humans, we can do anything we put our minds to. I’m not a geneticist nor nutritionist so there’s no way I could tell you for certain. But the more I think of this question the more Jeff Goldblum’s line from Jurassic Park comes to mind.
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
Haha but it’s yummy! This would be the easiest way to get rid of agricultural meat production for ethical and environmental reasons.
Of course for many species of cows it will be an extinction event.
Yeah and cocaine is fun to do too. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy.
It wouldn’t end animal agriculture. It would just become the vinyl record collectors version of meat consumption.
It saddens me that you believe the only reason for cows existence is because of humans.
If I may suggest donating some time at your local animal sanctuary to meet a cow. Much like dogs or cats they each have very different personalities. They can be very cuddly if they get to know you. Like most herbivores they just want to have good vibes and enjoy their life.
Sorry that was a bit hyperbole it would never be an all or nothing. You’d always have limited grass fed animal husbandry for milk and cheese. But my thought was that there should be some sort of rewilding effort for cows or Buffaloes or whatever their wild form even is or was in Europe.
And I was thinking in the way of harm reduction which is a tactic for drug. You won’t convince a majority of people to not want meant so the demand will be there. So practically artificial meat is the only way.
Oh look cherry picked studies
If you look hard enough you can find any study to support your claim with enough word crafting
You need to learn what cherry picking is. These are studies funded by governments. Not meat packing corporations.
But I’m sure I can post some PFAS studies you can deny too.
The perfect gift for RimWorld players.
Hush, its so imperfect, it only makes meat, not Cowboy Hats made out of Cowboys
There’s bacteria that grow in the roots of legumes that are capable of capturing gaseous nitrogen. That nitrogen makes its way to the soil, where the trees can suck it up to produce protein, like sunflower seeds. I eat those and by the time I urinate and die the nitrogen has been so concentrated within me that I burn a small hole in the ground for the fungus, sun, and time to decay and heal.
If I could photosynthesize the carbs needed to bootstrap this operation I would. If I could plant a piece of myself and feed it rainwater and atmospheric nitrogen to grow a steak I would. If I could leave behind shelter I wood.
urinate and die
Was this all an elaborate ruse to employ a shitty pun?!!
I wooden put it past them
Remember that guy on Reddit who claims he had to have his leg amputated and he somehow got to keep it, and he and his friends cooked and ate it?
That’s weird, but as long as it remains their own, or consenting others, I think it’s fine. The minute capitalism gets involved I think it becomes exploitative and unethical - long pork in the grocery store fundamentally should not be a thing.
God help me if I live in some commie zone where they take my amputated body parts to give to everyone. I grew those and they’re mine! Fuck your science, I wanna eat my foot.
Who gave a Resident Evil villager access to Lemmy 💀
