IPhone is a overpriced shit^^
60 Hz in 2024 is crazy, aside from the fact that iPhones have been the same for the past 6 generations.
What are y’all doing on your phones that 60hz isn’t enough. For the power user I guess but your average user. Makes no difference
I mean usage wise sure you still see the display either way. But high refresh rate is better for your eyes, especially when it’s a quality display with high PWM rate. There is a huge difference between an S24’s display and an iPhone 15’s. I can use the S24 without my eyes getting tired for hours, while my eyes get sore after viewing the iPhone for a while.
60 Hz in 2024 is crazy, aside from the fact that iPhones have been the same for the past 6 generations.
iPhone Pro has been 120Hz for a while now. Also bigger base level storage and USB. If you want the fancy specs you get the fancier phone.
Just stating we shouldn’t have to pay over $1000 usd to get a 120hz display. This doesn’t justify it when you can buy phones with high refresh rate for $300
So buy the $300 phone! If the iPhone isn’t your cup of tea you don’t have to buy it. You’ll sacrifice some stuff to get the price point that low, but if they’re things you don’t want or need, awesome!
That Xperia 1 iii pictured? $1300 new in 2021.
both 16 and 16 pro have 128 GB base storage
both 16 and 16 pro have 128 GB base storage
I stand corrected.
That said, if you up the price to match the pictured Xperia 1 iii ($1300 when new in 2021), the iPhone Pro (13 in 2021) will have 512GB (256GB for the Pro Max at $1200). Fancy price for a fancy phone.
At the end of the day people should just buy whatever phone fits their needs and their wallets, and let others do the same. Android phones are great. iPhones are great. We’re living in the future and other than the dystopian tendencies, it’s pretty awesome.
How does this belong in memes??? thete isn’t a single meme able thing in this image, it’s not funny or interesting either. It’s brain dead fanboy fullshit, as many in the comments have shown.
Lame as fuck
Found the apple fanboy
Lol yeah
But also let people like stuff. Don’t be a snooty ass about it.My brother got a Sony phone, he had to stop using it within the week given how cheap and laggy it was.
What did he do to it?
Nothing, he had an iPhone before, tried the Sony phone, could not believe how laggy and buggy using it was, went back to an iPhone in less than a week.
Some people just don’t enjoy the experience of Android, I tried, really, really tried but also couldn’t (had one for 3 years).
And I’m sure people would disagree.
Nah, I don’t disagree. Your experience is valid. Did he get some tech support for it or something? Because that doesn’t sound like normal behavior for a new phone, no matter the brand.
Which phone was it? Sony has products in the low, mid and high price range and the cheaper phones naturally are weaker than an iPhone. If you compare the flagship models of the two brands the Xperia is at least on the same level of power as the iPhone.
And as an anecdote: I had an iPhone a few years ago and hated it most of the time (and I say this while using a three year old phone that cost me 200€ at the time)
Yeah it was on the cheaper side, my brother would argue that if they put their name on it, it shouldn’t be shit (I kind of agree).
I had an iPhone a few years ago and hated it most of the time
Yeah that’s fine, and there is nothing wrong with that, people should be able to use what they prefer for whatever reason. Others don’t think so as evident by the downvotes of me saying what my experience was like and what I prefer.
This is bait
Why doesn’t this post mention the price? It is an extremely important factor.
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Buddy if you think the entry iPhone is expensive you should take a look at the price of an Xperia flagship
mAh is a stupid way to measure batteries. Wh is more relevant.
It also tells nothing about the efficiency of the device. You can add a 50kWh battery to a device but it doesn’t matter if it uses 2kWh at idle
you can optimize your android device battery in ways iphones cant. For example you cant disable or remove any system app consuming your battery in iPhones, but that is instantly doable in Androids
You can take background permissions from system apps on iOS
Try disabling google play services.
Settings, apps, Google play services, disable. Very easy. Nobody is saying “you can disable any app you want on android and your phone will magically just keep running perfectly as though it’s not dependent on it” just that it is possible to do so. Yes, I understand disabling Google play services will cripple many features. It is however possible, and you’ll still have a functional phone afterwards. The same cannot be said about iPhones.
To be fair, you can do pretty much anything on a rooted Android.
But I wouldn’t say “instantly” since you’d have to root it first.
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I guess it comes down to whether we want to primarily communicate battery size in terms of charge (Coulombs = Amps * Time) or energy (Joules = Watts * Time).
The first metric you multiply by your operating voltage to get the second metric, whereas the second metric you have to divide by your voltage to get the first. Depends on what comes easier to most people.
With the increasing abundance of electric vehicles people are getting used to (k)Wh as the unit for battery size. It would make sense to use the same unit for smaller electronics as well, IMO.
I’d argue Wh is a complete waste. Just use J, which is the much more established unit.
I disagree. Joules are really hard to understand to laypeople. Watt-hours directly relate to the power of a device without conversion, and can even be really translated in terms of power bill.
3.6 megajoules? Eh, I guess that’s maybe a lot? Or not?
1000 watt-hours? Oh, like running a microwave for a whole hour? Dang that’s a LOT!
A 4Ah battery at 5V would be a 20Wh battery, drop the kilo. Electronics draw power at idle, not energy. 2kWh is meaningless without an idle duration. What are you saying?
Wh may be better for determining total energy storage across differing cell chemistry. mAh is standard for electronics and makes more sense at the design level as the battery voltage is chemistry dependent and known to the designer.
i don’t think any manufacturer publishes the voltage their devices run at, could be anywhere from 3.3 to 5V. so i don’t know how an end-user is supposed to compare battery sizes between devices.
They would also have to give current draw which isn’t really possible since each end user has different apps and behavior. So you more often get standby time or video playback time which are based on an “ideal” (probably non-bloated) clean OS. That’s more useful to an end user but also subject to marketing fudging the figures.
You can often look up the battery chemistry or use an app to access sensors btw.
At the end of the day battery capacity is only one factor of many in battery/charge life and is generally just marketing in the context of phones.
What? They draw power, not energy?
Energy is just the product of power and time. And just like amperage, the power draw of a device varies.
And this should be obvious, but what makes more sense to an electronics engineer doesn’t matter one bit to the end user. And the end user doesn’t know anything about milli-amperes or volts (except maybe their wall outlet voltage).
Yes power is a rate. As you said energy is the time integral of power. So it’s meaningless to state an “energy draw” without a duration implied or explicit. E.g. what does drawing 2kWh at idle even mean?
I agree about end user sentiment. I was trying to suggest as well. The only way to know which battery/phone is going to have a better battery life is to identify reviews with similar usage to your own or cross-compare metrics across devices you’re familiar with. In general, phone A with a 4000mAh battery won’t necessarily outlast phone B with a 4500mAh batt.
Well you don’t say it draws 2 kWh at idle. You say it draws 2 kW at idle. While that is incredibly inefficient, it means that for every hour the device is idle, it draws 2 kWh of energy.
Oh yeah battery size isn’t sufficient to fully gauge battery life. You need to know power draw to calculate that. And it’s good to get battery life ratings from reviews. Great. It helps a lot.
But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get good, comparable physical specs.
Kinda like processors. Gigahertz and core counts are far from telling you everything, but it doesn’t mean it should be abstracted into some weird unit.
I believe it actually has to do more with historical conventions in electronics or math. (This is just what I remember from heresay when I was in university as an electronics engineer), but there is also a mathematical reason.
history hearsay theory
The easiest way to measure power draw is by measuring current draw (voltage across a sense resistor) way back before there were affordable, quality ICs to measure voltage and current and pretty much joule count.
To add to this, current sensors are much easier and cheaper than test machines that do the calculations for you.
When lithium batteries and NiCAD batteries became standard compared to the earlier lead-acid (which are measured in Wh), they had an extremely flat voltage curve compared to lead acid. They could be considered to be at a constant voltage.
Now cheaper electronics were being made and if a designer wanted to know how long a battery would last, they could take the nominal battery voltage that the battery would be at a vast majority of the time, and they could just measure the current draw over a short time of the circuit, 10s of calculations, and you have your approximate battery life. There is a joke that engineers approximate π to 3.
Math units
Ah is a measure of electrical charge.
Wh is a measure of energy
Batteries and capacitors hold charge so are measured in Ah, generators that power the grid generate energy and use of that energy is measured in Wh (it also isn’t a “constant” voltage source like batteries as it is AC)
The thing is, it does not matter how much charge the battery holds, it does matter how much energy it holds. Without knowing the Voltage the Ah is useless.
Sorry, but you are simply wrong. Simple math says that you are wrong.
You can buck or boost convert nearly any voltage to any other voltage.
Then measure the current output of the battery, boom you have battery life.
Also electrical charge can be used in many, many very valuable calculations without involving voltage at all.
Let’s take an arbitrary example with an arbitrary battery powered device. Let’s say the battery is somewhere between 1V and 10000000V. You can’t measure it because you might blow up your multimeter.
You know that the battery is 5000mAh. You can safely measure that all of the circuitry is draining 1000mA because sense resistors or contactless magnetic current measurements don’t have anywhere near dangerous voltages. You know that the battery will last about 5 hours. What is the voltage? Doesn’t matter.
Yes, charge and the flow of charge is not the entire story, but to say it is useless or does not matter is just a straight lie. It is fine if you don’t understand electronics, but then don’t spit out misinformation.
Yes Watt-hours would give a more complete picture to slightly tech-inclined consumers (makes 0 difference for 99% of consumers), but then it returns to not mattering because you can do the 5s calculation yourself because single cell lithium batteries are overwhelmingly 1 nominal voltage.
Literally 90% of calculations related to efficiency are JUST as valid using mA as W.
Your device uses 12mA at idle with a 5000mAh battery has the same relevance as your 18.5Wh battery using 45mW at idle.
I am ONLY speaking from a consumer position and for those Wh is more useful.
The consumer looks on device a and on device b and then determines how often he can recharge its device. With Ah you cannot do this unless you know the Voltage, with Wh you can make this decision without any further knowledge.
Yes this does not include battery life or conversion of efficiency. But a cunsumer measures nothing he looks at the lable.
It is fine if you don’t understand electronics, but then don’t spit out misinformation.
Btw. no need to insult me. I have never put out misinformation, I may have not stated enough that I am viewing this as a consumer.
Please explain to me what the difference is between battery life if you have a 5000mAh battery and an 18Wh battery.
Please state the calculation that you would use to “determine how often you have to recharge” that is valid for Wh and not for Ah. I am all for it. If you can cite a single source where the manufacturer gives a specification that would give battery life in Wh, and not in Ah, I will concede the entire argument and say that you were right the whole time in every comment make a note that you were right. Please show your calculation work.
The thing is, it does not matter how much charge the battery holds, it does matter how much energy it holds. Without knowing the Voltage the Ah is useless.
This is patently, objectively misinformation and completely false. That is a direct quote of your words, today. That was your last comment. I have already laid out multiple examples of how Ah is a useful measurement and what you can do with it. Therefore, it is misinformation. It is not disinformation, but stating untrue things as fact is misinformation, even if you have no idea you are wrong.
If you can cite a single source where the manufacturer gives a specification that would give battery life in Wh, and not in Ah, I will concede the entire argument and say that you were right the whole time in every comment make a note that you were right.
Basically every Laptop manufacturer.
Primary Battery
3-cell, 54 Wh, ExpressCharge™ Capable, ExpressCharge™ Boost Capable
Lol, you literally quoted me, didn’t actually read what you quoted, and then did something completely different.
Do you know that battery life ≠ battery capacity? That is not the same measurement as I have already tried to teach you 3 times.
Please state the calculation that you would use to “determine how often you have to recharge” that is valid for Wh and not for Ah.
What is its idle power draw? What is its power draw under load? Playing video? Sleep mode? That source gives nothing which determines battery life. All it gives is a nearly useless capacity number, just like all other manufacturers. So not valid at all. You still have exactly 0 more information about battery life.
If I am wrong, please state your calculations of what the battery life is with that 54Wh battery.
Your entire argument was “Ah is useless and Wh gives consumers the information to determine battery life” So go ahead, determine the battery life.
How is this any different at all if they said that it is a 5.8Ah battery? They don’t give any current or power draw.
As an exercise:
can you tell me the battery life difference between an arbitrary Laptop A with a 54Wh battery and Laptop B with a 27Wh battery?
Yes. I really wish all batteries used watt-hours. All it’d take would be for someone to design a phone that runs at a different voltage and their battery numbers would stop being comparable.
The USB transfer speed claim is misleading to say the least. The iPhone 15 was already capable of up to 10Gbps transfer speed (USB 3.0 support). You could quibble over the fact that the included cable didn’t support that (if only the USB-IF could get its shit together), but to claim the hardware doesn’t support it is a lie.
Also, non-US iPhones support both physical SIM and eSIM.
TBH cable transfer on android can be pretty shit as well. Like, if you luck out with the MTP implementation on both your phone and your computer, then it Just Works ™. But in many cases (like mine) it’s a buggy mess. I used to have a script that would sync music from my laptop to my phone with rsync, and I would have to run it like three times to actually transfer everything, because each time like 10% of the files would just… not make it across the cable lol. Now I just do it over WIFI. I really wish we could go back to the old days when plugging in your phone would just expose the microsd card as a block storage device.
adb works faster than mtp generally, but is frustrating in its own way.
You have not even touched how limited iOS is compared to Android. I can list over 50 things any 2015 Android can do which iPhone 16 can’t. You basically have no control over anything in iPhone while in any Android even without rooting you control what every app access and how it’s allowed to work or at all. I was not even referring to customized OSes like graphene or calyos which give higher level of control.
And how many of those 50 things actually matter? They’re things you want to do, not things the average user needs to do.
Simplicity is the main feature and has been a staple of Apple products for 35 years I’ve been using them. It means we don’t have to spend ages tweaking settings, we can get on with more productive stuff.
But you still sadly have google services everywhere, popping up here and there, reminding you that they have control over apps
No, I don’t want to login with google or rate the app
Dont get up from Google only to jump on Apple’s balls.
Also your point is not valid because degoogling is possible with androids, but you can’t deapple an iphone. And btw many custom OSes dont require anything google no appstore or nothing. So what you’re complaining about has been solved and already out there
Android users won’t be able to reply.
Third party launchers randomly freeze for no reason.
Lemmy app crashed due to unknown reasons, but suspected due to battery manager failure.
Notification of your post never showed up anyway due to Android hosing notifications with Doze, which everyone thought Doze was done for, but really it was just buried deeper into the OS.
And then Google decided to A-B test all Lemmy users, so that the Lemmy app opens random songs in YouTube Music instead.
Hey, do you mind telling me where I can sign up for the apple shilling program? What are the rates like? Approximately how many shill posts do you make a day? Is it necessary to make lots of different alt accounts, or can I just shill from my main?
In case you didn’t realize, this whole post and thread are just a joke. Try not to take yourself too serious.
But if you must know, I’m currently on Pixel 8, and most of what I posted describe actual well known problems with Android. You would know that if you used Android.
Google play services has stopped responding
This looks like one of those PC/Console comparison memes from the early days of pcmasterrace. I like it!
I can’t overstate how much I love that the Android phone used for example is one that I swapped for a newer phone just a couple of months ago
Someone should saw off the legs of the techbros that came up with the idea of removing the headphone jacks from phones. Just like the headphone jacks, legs are technologically “superseeded” by cars and electronic wheelchairs.
Most people don’t care, don’t use it and it saves cost and thickness. I think they are smarter than you on this.
You are not their target audience, they know there’s not enough of you for it to make a difference.
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Phones are so thin now that people are crying back the thicker ones…
It saves an amount of money so minuscule it literally makes no difference.
As for thickness, the iPhone 15 is 7.8 mm thick. You cannot in good faith believe that a 3.5 mm headphone jack can’t fit in it.
Wouldn’t they have to sacrifice like three* minutes of battery life or something though? Everything packed sooo tightly.
*or 10 or 30, somebody here probably can make a really good educated guess
Meh, I haven’t really missed it as much as I expected. The one and only (pretty minor in my case) issue I’ve run into is not being able to charge the phone while connected to the car’s stereo. Though it wouldn’t surprise me if you could just use a usb-c splitter to do that.
Fair point, at least they should give us two USB-C ports, at least on the flagship models.
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They did it to improve water resistance and to sell the more expensive wireless earpods.
which don’t really matter unless the difference allows your phones to survive a full cycle in a washing machine. So far many phones which removed the headphone jack still does not.
And then you can sell USB-C -> Jack converters (which break after a while - I’ve dismantled one for recycling for my Raspberry Pi, later I might make one epoxy potted for my phone), easy to lose wireless earbuds, etc.
If the fucking usb c audio was at least consistent, but no, the dongles are different and the phones are different, good luck trying to not blow up ypur phone by buying the wrong accessory (I blame the spec, not that I’ve read it)
Best if you get one of those USB DACs. Those even work on a PC with a converter.
I wouldn’t mind if they replaced TRRS with a better connector. I get that the jack is a large part and it’s difficult to seal against water ingress. The wiper contacts on it are also unreliable, and the plug doesn’t release well when your cord snags.
Multiplexing headphones with my one and only charging port is absolutely the worst possible answer.
(Did i forget to mention that I want it to be an open connector? One that any vendor can make without Apple’s permission?)
Apple ditched Lightning last year. All iPhones from the 15 forward are USB-C.
Lightning and USB-C are both equally terrible headphone plugs.
Sure, in that the port is far more versatile than it needs to be for audio output. I’m not arguing otherwise.
I’ve literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years.
And I wonder how many would still want it back if they realized the phones then were bricked after getting submerged in water like they used to.There are many phones with a headphone jack that have an IP68 rating which invalidates your whole point. If the headphone jack was so compromising then Apple would have needed to remove the charging port as well.
A sick and twisted part of me wants to see charging ports removed too. Every port! Make it IP69+ compliant. Maybe then the careless kids I know might keep a device alive for more than a year. Ultimately all that would do is barely solve one problem and introduce a whole lot of other problems.
many phones with a headphone jack that have an IP68 rating which invalidates your whole point
Typing on one right now.
I’ve literally never used the headphone jack on a phone in 10 years
We understood that as soon as you said “literally”.
I’ve not used on*star, a fire extinguisher or a #2 pencil in a while either, but I bet they’re important. Beware false consensus.
Phones became waterproof before removing headphone jacks became a trend. You’re talking nonsense.
About 10 years ago I used headphones daily, now I do so just frequently enough that it’s irritating to realize I need to purchase a dongle just to do so and go “well I guess I’m not listening to music/podcasts right now”
What I learned when working for a phone manufacturer is that the headphone jack usage varies by product segment. Cheaper phone users use the headphone jack far more frequently than premium phone users, so they’d keep it on the budget models but drop it on the higher end models. They also did similar with NFC and wireless charging which was interesting…
Headphone jacks can be waterproofed, manufacturers are just lazy.
Most people don’t use them and never did, all the people downvoting are just salty because they’re not the target audience.
People are downvoting because the comment is flat-out wrong.
There is no right or wrong, it’s all subjective opinion.
Nope.
if they realized the phones then were bricked after getting submerged in water like they used to.
This is not subjective, it’s objectively false.
it objectively depends on the design of each individual phone
So we agree, you were wrong about it “all being subjective opinion.”
I don’t remember the last time I needed/missed 3.5mm
S24, Pixel 9, iPhone 16: 7 years of is support
Sony: 2 years
Confirmed: my six year old iPhone gets the new version of iOS this month. Runs amazingly. Battery lasts all day still. No complaints.
Kernel source code released so you can support it indefinitely yourself?
Only Sony.
Google and Samsung do this too
But good luck maintaining the kernel by yourself.
