Kamala is the best version of a normal politician fighting against Trump. It remains to be seen if that’s enough, because he’s just so goddamn weird that it’s difficult to even compare Tool A to Problem B.
I think she’s incorporated virtually all of the strengths of any of her comparable peers, and almost none of their weaknesses. I think that, given the nature of the opponent and his total lack of seriousness, she said everything I would reasonably hope she would have said during this debate.
I also think that I don’t properly understand the collective psyche of the American electorate. I don’t understand how the election could be this close, when it is a choice between a serious, competent, passionate, talented professional, and a man who is literally a collection of all of the worst possible traits a person could have. That it could come down to such a narrow choice is a mystery for the ages.
The moderator are giving Trump so much time. They won’t control him at all.
Absolutely bonkers they won’t enforce the rules. Mute his mic and ignore him.
I haven’t verified it but I read on another post that the Harris campaign specifically asked for the mics to be left on during this debate. If that’s true, it stands to reason that she wanted them to be lenient with Trump, so that now he can’t pull the “They didn’t let me talk!” bullshit when talking about his less than stellar (generous way of putting it) performance.
Sun Tzu nods, wisely.
Yes, and he still lost handedly. That extra time was all rambles and nonsense. I think in the end it was better.
(Yes, I still would have preferred they muted him, ultimately).
What does it mean to lose? I guarantee that Trump supporters disagree.
“see, I don’t have a nose anymore, but it’s worth it because he owns the liberals… it’s happening any time now, just wait and see”
got the feeling he is not using it for his own benefit
I can’t believe that these are the best two people that the US can produce right now.
I can. Empire is in decline thanks to its incessant fixation on the Offense industry and refusal to tend to infrastructure, education, or social works, now mix in the steady erosion of critical thinking and literacy skill in this country, coupled with the crippling of any kind of recognizable civics curriculum to allow for principle-less, tribalist “vote my color no matter who no matter the policy platform” philosophies to grip the populace by the throat.
That’s exactly how we get here.
two hitler-particle-emitting politicians sitting on a mountain of corpses, arguing over who can make the pile grow faster. so, par for the course as far as american elections go.
Is this about Israel? Don’t lie. Their policies are nothing alike.
Specifically: You claim that Kamala Harris wants to cause more deaths in the Israel-Palestine war, but during the debate she clearly laid out her policy goal being a ceasefire and a two-state solution. Are you misinformed, or are you yourself spreading misinformation?
is this what “working on a ceasefire” means to you?
this is the one image I can post. the other results of the current administration’s policy would get removed for gore. personally, I think if you’ve been “working on a ceasefire” for nearly a year now, and the result is 2000 lb bombs being dropped on tents in a refugee camp, then you’re not really working towards a ceasefire and are instead just lying.
this is not even mentioning policies on the homeless, immigrants, fracking, military spending, healthcare, all of which are significantly more to the right than they were in 2020. medicare for all isn’t even mentioned any more. dems used to advocate for a path to citizenship for immigrants, that’s gone out the window too.
What is that image? A bomb crater?
lmao of course you don’t know what it is. why would you know what it is, it’s not like you’re paying attention. yes, it’s a bomb crater. a 2000lb American made bomb, dropped on a tent city in Khan Younis. hundreds wiped out on an instant.
If you expected me to already know that exact image, why did you show it to me? I guessed correctly anyways, didn’t I?
Ya’ll idiots still on that whole “both parties are the same!” rhetoric. It’s old. You’re dumb. Go back to bed.
If “never again” ever meant anything to you hateful, downright fucking ghoulish hypocrites, the DNC, RNC and NATO logos, alongside the Amerikan flag, would be regarded with the same disdain and disgust that the swastika, the fasces, the death’s head, or the SS bolts get.
Slither your invertebrate ass into a grave.
Uh so one side rabbled louder than the other side who also rabbled.
Haven’t watched it, can’t care to.
He dodged every question successfully and neither Kamala nor the moderators did a decent job pinpointing it.
That he comes out with a statement of having a concept of a plan just shows me how much freedom were granted for his weird and insane mind.
Imagine beeing in any relationship with him. I have no sympathy for people who are willingly.
Why does she raise her hands so high when she talks 😂😂
Trump looked more incoherent this time than in the previous debates, what with the “immigrants are coming to eat your pets” line and other zingers like post-birth abortion nonsense. There were also some weird moments where he said stuff like “Kamala hates Israel,” prompting her to go off on her undying loyalty to Israel.
Harris was overall more presentable, but had some horrible policy moments, such as repeating debunked claims about sexual assault on October 7th as she restated her undying loyalty to Israel (which could materially cost her Michigan as Muslim voters are turning to Stein and Cornel West over Harris), or stating that Climate Change is an existential threat in one breath and promising to never ban fracking in the next, along with bragging about gas production.
Overall it’s a clear “win” for Harris over Trump if we are purely measuring debate performance, Harris looked far better and answered more coherently, though her environmental positions, immigration positions, and foreign policy are far to the right of where they should be.
this pretty much sums it up. I thought trump would be incoherent, but some of the stuff out of his mouth was borderline surreal. Harris had completely tuned herself to ‘beat’ trump, and while it worked, it’s painfully clear that she doesn’t have a single original thought - nothing but platitudes, the same canned phrases about working families and small businesses, same tired defence of Israel.
That pretty much sums them up nicely. Both represent the two sides of dying Empire.
Trump is a bit of a wrecking ball, his far-right populist rhetoric appeals to rising material frustrations with the Petite Bourgeoisie, ie small business owners and the like, along nationalist lines. Strong aesthetic patriotism, lack of consistency or coherence, promises of restoring grander times and power.
Harris is plucked straight from the stock-standard Empire maintainers. Her policies are largely Biden’s promises carried over, with firm Imperialist support for Israel and “the most lethal military in the world.” She isn’t attempting to appeal to fascists, but she is trying to appeal to those with vested interest in maintaining Imperial Hegemony. Small concessions and frequent doublespeak - claiming Climate Change is an existential threat in one breath, then boldly taking pride in record gas production and promising to never ban fracking in the next. She’s more coherent, which ironically makes the double-speak stand out clearer.
It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic.
This is the funniest shit I’ve ever seen.
I knew Harris would wipe the floor, but this is incredible.
The immigrants are eating our pets\s
It would be funnier if there wasn’t a sizeable percentage of people who support the cheetoh. There is still a real chance of that demented racist pos winning come november.
With any luck, that number just got smaller, even if by just a little bit.
Something I noticed is that even Twitter was making fun of Trump. I never thought I’d see that happen.
EXECUTE THE BABY was trending for at least a little bit
With any luck, that number just got smaller,
The Zionist tangent from Kamala is likely going to alienate more Muslim-Americans, which genuinely puts Michigan into question. Muslim-Americans have been leaning more towards Stein and West than Harris according to polling, so we will have to see.
Dude read the room. You’ve railroaded a ton of threads to talk about Harris and Israel. You don’t have to force every conversation into that. Let this comment thread be about something else.
I am literally talking about the debate, though. This isn’t a random Harris thread, she very clearly went on a Zionist tirade in the face of her losing ground in Michigan and other Swing States with high percentages of Muslim-American voters, that’s factually a bad move that could impact her electoral chances.
Yeah she did, and you started another comment thread in this post about it. Talk about it there. You don’t need to railroad every conversation into trying to convince people that Harris is a monster. Let other people talk about other stuff from time to time.
Counterpoint: Harris doesn’t need to be a monster such that it is a dereliction of democratic duty to not speak about it constantly.
Post-script to that counterpoint: You don’t need to railroad people talking about Copmala Handcuffs being a flamethrower unto human life and liberty her entire career into trying to convince people it’s worth helping and hoping she gets a new fuel tank handed to her.
It isn’t derailing, the comment was about Trump’s chances getting smaller, when there are material reasons for Trump’s chances to get larger despite his poor performance specifically due to salient issues in swing states.
Collaborator.
You realize that by demanding people shut up about genocide, you’ve actually incentivized users to talk about genocide, right?
Maybe that was lost in translation. Maybe what they meant to say is they love cunnilingus.
ABC gave Trump a massive handicap but he still managed to shoot himself in the foot a few times. Even the moderator roasted him once or twice.
I am here for alien prison transgender surgeries
""Harris also wrote that she supported taxpayer funding of gender transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal prisoners.
Harris was asked if, as president, she would use “executive authority to ensure that transgender and non-binary people who rely on the state for medical care – including those in prison and immigration detention – will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender transition, including all necessary surgical care.”
Harris replied, “Yes.”"
Alien and prison, taxpayer paid surgeries are on the menu, boys. Break in illegally or commit a crime, and your next surgery is free!
If you’re in prison for life, and you want to kill yourself because of gender dysphoria, providing you the medical care to avoid that is the humane thing to do. Period.
If you are an immigrant detained for 6-12 months before deportation, the the odds of this applying to detained immigrants is near 0, but let’s say 1% it does, this would be tailored at ensuring they can have the drugs they require.
Keeping people from shooting out the back of their fucking heads or swallowing a bottle of painkillers to end it all is always the humane choice.
Don’t worry, we could fund it all by just not administering a few death penalties (those are more expensive than life imprisonment).
This is rage bait. How many times a year would this happen? Two? Three? There are more important things to talk about. That’s why they’re taking about this
Trans immigrants are stealing our cheeseburgers!
Has anyone seen Fido?
Throwing all the taking points into a bucket. I bet those prisoners are also learning critical race theory.
woke Marxist liberal critical race theory.
Any more smooth brain buzzwords we can throw in there?
If only Prisoners were being taught Marxist theory.
Just the thought… Hang on… I got something in my eye
Pain, absolute pain. Can we please not have another debate?
We can tie that in with shorter campaign seasons too.
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The LWV (League of Woman Voters) sponsored the United States presidential debates in 1976, 1980 and 1984.[60][61] On October 2, 1988, the LWV’s 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release condemning the demands of the major candidates’ campaigns. LWV President Nancy Neuman said that the debate format would “perpetrate a fraud on the American voter” and that the organization did not intend to “become an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.”[62][63] All presidential debates since 1988 have been sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates,[64] a bipartisan organization run by the two major parties that some argue has established rules with the intent to exclude airing candidates associated with other parties.[65]
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I couldn’t be bothered to figure out how to watch it, did anything happen?
It’s on YouTube, on abc’s news live video. It’s still going on, but is probably almost over
Appreciate the recommendation. I’ll watch when I finally finish my last shift of the day.
I thought it was funny how Trump was just nodding along while Harris was saying that people often leave his rallies due to boredom. Also, him basically outright saying that immigration has never happened in the history of the country, along with the other nonsensical things he’s said.
