• BussyCat@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        More people die from wind turbines and hydro than from nuclear on a per tWh basis. If we actually want to save lives we would require higher levels of safety standards on fossil fuels that are magnitudes more dangerous than nuclear

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      2 months ago

      Given the up-front cost of any kind of reactor, I don’t think the concept of a usage-based electric bill goes away as long as it’s corporations competing for customers. Maybe eventually it would be like ISPs where it’s a flat fee depending on the size of your connection. I guess it could be totally unmetered then.

      Like so many things, it gets a lot simpler if it’s the government supplying the service.

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        2 months ago

        It’s not too cheap to meter even when provided as a public service. Nuclear is more expensive than battery + solar, more expensive than wind, more expensive than coal

        “Too cheap to meter” was a lie that ignored costs of safety and decommissioning.

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          Yeah I agree, and you still hear that BS about fusion power, that it will be an unlimited source of cheap/free clean energy.

          I guess I could imagine scenarios where power is not metered and is supported via taxes, maybe in a scenario where citizens have a right to energy just like a right to healthcare. It’s not free by any means, but the people who make the most money and thus benefit the most from the infrastructure end up paying into it the most. And the truly poor would get free (to them) electricity.

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            I really wonder about fusion. Most of the news of energy production higher than energy input is about non-electricity fusion - the big tokamak fusion systems are not yet producing more power than they take to run, but scientists working on them are expecting good results soon

            Like when I was a kid fusion was 20 years away and would always be 20 years away. Now it looks like it’ll be 5 years away for a while

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              I like to follow fusion news whenever I see it, and I think the situation might be even worse than you’re describing, lol.

              The news about ignition and/or more energy out than in, that refers to the energy actually delivered to the sample versus the full energy released from the sample. So it doesn’t include all the energy needed to charge and fire the lasers that was lost along the way. And like you said, it’s the thermal power they’re measuring, and you lose a huge amount of that power when converting to electricity.

              I think we’re still firmly in the “fusion is 20/30 years away” cycle.

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    2 months ago

    “Timmy you left the aluminum foil on the atomic wafer!!”

    “By golly Tim you shattered space time and opened a black hole!”

    “My apologies mother and father, I have been absent of clear cognition.”

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    2 months ago

    I passed out from the flood of Fallout references that just rushed into my brain.

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      Atomic wafers made by the techo-church-state? Or have I got this back to front and this is how the non-technical society irradiates its children?

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    2 months ago

    She’s right there. This is literally a power play to force her kid to do a pointless task.