Don’t vote “for/against whoever”. Vote against trump like an adult - that means voting democrat.
Sure, picking between two options that you don’t want is legitimately hard for human brains to do. But republicans have promised and begun to brutalize minorities at ever larger scales, and are objectively worse than democrats on everything that matters.
Handing the reins of state power to fascists has never improved life for leftists or humanity.
Democrats are conducting a literal genocide as we speak. I guess as long as the people are being murdered on an industrial scale are far away libs don’t care about them.
Okay, and so did and would Republicans. On a much larger scale and they would also ruin the lives of thousands of minorities in the US, such as LGBTQ+ people and immigrants
Like I said, as long as people being genocided are far away it’s fine. As long as you don’t have to look at the horrors, or be personally affected by them. Shallow self interest doesn’t impress me.
Genocide is not fine in any case, no matter how far away, but voting for Kamala is still way better than voting for trump, who would make the genocide worse. When the elections end, and if kamala wins, then we can critique the fuck out of her for not stopping the genocide, but right now, there is no better option than voting for her.
Voting for Kamala is a vote for genocide plain and simple. You can do as much sophistry here as you want, but it’s not going to change that simple fact. A better option is obviously to vote for a party like PSL that is not supporting genocide, but again you don’t actually care. You’re fine with genocide being conducted in your name as long as you’re not affected. That’s the truth. You know it and I know it.
Voting for 3rd party is quite literally throwing your vote away. They don’t stand a chance to win, and voting for them would effectively be the same as not voting, because of America’s shit FPTP voting system. And therefore, you’d give Trump a higher chance to win, because your vote wouldn’t help Kamala. And if Trump wins, the genocide will get worse. Much worse.
That’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Your whole argument would be like a German in 1930s saying they just have to vote for the nazis because that’s the only option on the table. If you don’t see the absurdity of that then you’re beyond all hope.
There wasn’t only one option in Germany. If I was a german in the 1930s I’d vote for a party that didn’t plan to commit mass genocide and didn’t say that Jews are the root cause of all problems. Even if that party sucked, it’d suck less than Nazis. This is harm reduction and it is the best approach in such situations.
Yeah, that makes it very hard to vote for them, I feel that. But that’s a problem that gets worse by not voting for a democrat.
Republicans have promised to genocide harder and trump has already been coordinating with netanyahu to counter anything that might reduce palestinans deaths.
I don’t like it either but it’s time to be an adult, do the unpleasant thing, and vote for a democrat.
We already have empirical evidence from Trump and Biden admins to show that exact same things happen under democrats in practice. The only difference is that libs go to sleep and start making excuses. If you’re voting for either party you’re voting for genocide plain and simple. At least have the honesty to say that you don’t care that your state is involved in a genocide because you think the party that will be presiding over it will benefit you personally.
If you honestly believed that democracts and republicans are identical on israel and you care about human suffering you’d look at all the other ways that trump and his fascists have promised to brutalize everyone who’s not them and minimize human suffering by voting for a democrat.
Trump killing trans people, immigrants and palestinans is not a moral victory for opponents of our genocide in gaza.
It’s more so that they can FEEL like they did the right thing. Not that they did the right thing.
It’s all about optics. If they vote for a Democrat and post a picture with their “I Voted” sticker, then they get internet points! Then they don’t have to be worried about getting canceled by their peers who they swear up and down don’t cancel people because that goes against their fake “live and let live” ideology.
Sure I voted for genocide, by I did it the way all of Hollywood did, so I’m cool and part of the club! It’s the acceptable form of genocide support!
I’m not in USA but if there are 2 movie style bad guys and 1 says pick me I’ll kill strangers, and 2 says pick me I’ll kill strangers and your friends and family, maybe you as well, and then some random 3rd guy says, pick me or no one and I won’t kill anyone, but one of those 2 bad guys will be picked for you via a coin flip, but at least you get to feel good that you didn’t personally pick the death of people, it’s not illogical to pick the first one.
Maybe you have such good morals you can pick the 3rd or refuse to pick at the expense of possibly additional people you care about, or maybe you don’t personally have anyone in your life that would be affected by the 2nd bad guy so it doesn’t matter to you, but if that’s the case, you’re equally guilty of choosing the choice that makes you feel good just because you don’t have to deal with the consequences of your choice and can ignore what’s actually happening.
What an insane take. If both sides are equal on one completely undefendable thing, then you vote based on other issues. One of the two parties are going to be in power at the end of this election cycle, regardless. Both are permitting genocide, and it’s a fucking problem, meanwhile only one of those parties are actively working to strip the people’s right to do something about that.
All this “both sides” bullshit feels disingenuous. If you were really concerned, you’d be focused on paths to solutions, rather than focusing strictly on trying to devalue Democratic votes. I certainly don’t see any path to stopping this genocide that starts with permitting a Trump presidency.
Pretty classic trolley problem here. One track has genocide. The other side has larger scale and more effective genocide, along with a pile of other issues. Nobody’s saying genocide is good, but they’re saying 50,000 dead in a year is better than millions dead in a year alongside widespread escalation of genocide elsewhere, higher international tensions with a more significant chance of a nuclear incident, and more crackdowns on dissent just like yours and mine.
Trump’s likely to win, so we might find out just how bad it gets. I’m betting it’s a literal completed genocide within his term - no Palestinian survivors in the now-official-Israeli-territories. I doubt that would change your mind though, since it’s easy to just say Harris would have done it too.
Don’t vote “for/against whoever”. Vote against trump like an adult - that means voting democrat.
Sure, picking between two options that you don’t want is legitimately hard for human brains to do. But republicans have promised and begun to brutalize minorities at ever larger scales, and are objectively worse than democrats on everything that matters.
Handing the reins of state power to fascists has never improved life for leftists or humanity.
Democrats are conducting a literal genocide as we speak. I guess as long as the people are being murdered on an industrial scale are far away libs don’t care about them.
Okay, and so did and would Republicans. On a much larger scale and they would also ruin the lives of thousands of minorities in the US, such as LGBTQ+ people and immigrants
Like I said, as long as people being genocided are far away it’s fine. As long as you don’t have to look at the horrors, or be personally affected by them. Shallow self interest doesn’t impress me.
Genocide is not fine in any case, no matter how far away, but voting for Kamala is still way better than voting for trump, who would make the genocide worse. When the elections end, and if kamala wins, then we can critique the fuck out of her for not stopping the genocide, but right now, there is no better option than voting for her.
Voting for Kamala is a vote for genocide plain and simple. You can do as much sophistry here as you want, but it’s not going to change that simple fact. A better option is obviously to vote for a party like PSL that is not supporting genocide, but again you don’t actually care. You’re fine with genocide being conducted in your name as long as you’re not affected. That’s the truth. You know it and I know it.
Voting for 3rd party is quite literally throwing your vote away. They don’t stand a chance to win, and voting for them would effectively be the same as not voting, because of America’s shit FPTP voting system. And therefore, you’d give Trump a higher chance to win, because your vote wouldn’t help Kamala. And if Trump wins, the genocide will get worse. Much worse.
That’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Your whole argument would be like a German in 1930s saying they just have to vote for the nazis because that’s the only option on the table. If you don’t see the absurdity of that then you’re beyond all hope.
Goodnight now, I shall reply to your BS tomorrow (:
There wasn’t only one option in Germany. If I was a german in the 1930s I’d vote for a party that didn’t plan to commit mass genocide and didn’t say that Jews are the root cause of all problems. Even if that party sucked, it’d suck less than Nazis. This is harm reduction and it is the best approach in such situations.
Yeah, that makes it very hard to vote for them, I feel that. But that’s a problem that gets worse by not voting for a democrat.
Republicans have promised to genocide harder and trump has already been coordinating with netanyahu to counter anything that might reduce palestinans deaths.
I don’t like it either but it’s time to be an adult, do the unpleasant thing, and vote for a democrat.
We already have empirical evidence from Trump and Biden admins to show that exact same things happen under democrats in practice. The only difference is that libs go to sleep and start making excuses. If you’re voting for either party you’re voting for genocide plain and simple. At least have the honesty to say that you don’t care that your state is involved in a genocide because you think the party that will be presiding over it will benefit you personally.
If you honestly believed that democracts and republicans are identical on israel and you care about human suffering you’d look at all the other ways that trump and his fascists have promised to brutalize everyone who’s not them and minimize human suffering by voting for a democrat.
Trump killing trans people, immigrants and palestinans is not a moral victory for opponents of our genocide in gaza.
It’s more so that they can FEEL like they did the right thing. Not that they did the right thing.
It’s all about optics. If they vote for a Democrat and post a picture with their “I Voted” sticker, then they get internet points! Then they don’t have to be worried about getting canceled by their peers who they swear up and down don’t cancel people because that goes against their fake “live and let live” ideology.
Sure I voted for genocide, by I did it the way all of Hollywood did, so I’m cool and part of the club! It’s the acceptable form of genocide support!
That’s right, liberals just want a genocide to be done with a certain level of decorum that allows them to ignore what’s actually happening.
I’m not in USA but if there are 2 movie style bad guys and 1 says pick me I’ll kill strangers, and 2 says pick me I’ll kill strangers and your friends and family, maybe you as well, and then some random 3rd guy says, pick me or no one and I won’t kill anyone, but one of those 2 bad guys will be picked for you via a coin flip, but at least you get to feel good that you didn’t personally pick the death of people, it’s not illogical to pick the first one.
Maybe you have such good morals you can pick the 3rd or refuse to pick at the expense of possibly additional people you care about, or maybe you don’t personally have anyone in your life that would be affected by the 2nd bad guy so it doesn’t matter to you, but if that’s the case, you’re equally guilty of choosing the choice that makes you feel good just because you don’t have to deal with the consequences of your choice and can ignore what’s actually happening.
The argument basically comes down to you being fine with genocide as long as it doesn’t affect you personally.
What an insane take. If both sides are equal on one completely undefendable thing, then you vote based on other issues. One of the two parties are going to be in power at the end of this election cycle, regardless. Both are permitting genocide, and it’s a fucking problem, meanwhile only one of those parties are actively working to strip the people’s right to do something about that.
All this “both sides” bullshit feels disingenuous. If you were really concerned, you’d be focused on paths to solutions, rather than focusing strictly on trying to devalue Democratic votes. I certainly don’t see any path to stopping this genocide that starts with permitting a Trump presidency.
Pretty classic trolley problem here. One track has genocide. The other side has larger scale and more effective genocide, along with a pile of other issues. Nobody’s saying genocide is good, but they’re saying 50,000 dead in a year is better than millions dead in a year alongside widespread escalation of genocide elsewhere, higher international tensions with a more significant chance of a nuclear incident, and more crackdowns on dissent just like yours and mine.
Nah, it’s the same kind of genocide on both tracks, but one track allows liberals to pretend to have morals.
Trump’s likely to win, so we might find out just how bad it gets. I’m betting it’s a literal completed genocide within his term - no Palestinian survivors in the now-official-Israeli-territories. I doubt that would change your mind though, since it’s easy to just say Harris would have done it too.