The solution is simple: we just need to collapse another 100 USSRs and drop that to two USSRs per year. We did it guise, we solved the climate crisis!

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Stopped reading right there.

politicians who take climate change seriously

lol

First step to prove you actually mean it:
No more fucking meat on your plate!
We put like 6 fossil kalories in and get 1 animal tissue kalorie out. This is inane! Our species is about to commit suicide and we point fingers at greedy, selfish billionaires and at the same time keep devouring our biosphere because we’re accustomed to a taste.
I know this alone won’t save us, but no solution will be enough if we don’t agree on this simple thing:
Next time, I will no longer knowingly chose exploitation, misery and annihilation.
Buy cheap legumes or expensive meat alternatives, I don’t care. But stop paying for this madness! Then go for CEOs, billionaires and politicians. But start with the most simple, obvious realization first.

But we’re out of ideas!

This is an excellent point. The energy transition is more accurately an energy addition. Some renewables on top of a still-increasing pile of burning fossil fuels.

Same with EVs. More are being sold every year but more ICE cars are being sold, too.

Until the fossil fuel industry actually shrinks, things are hopeless.

Seeing those alfalfa farms all over my desert state turns me into an extremist.

where did you get this data? it can’t possibly be right

There are huge vegetarian populations though (think about India), app it’s not completely against human nature…

Nothing really matters until we stop pulling carbon-based fuels out of the ground and lighting them on fire.

I say it all the time. The only possible way to keep carbon from outside the carbon cycle from entering the carbon cycle is to stop taking carbon from outside the carbon cycle and putting it into the carbon cycle. No amount of coal plant filtration or growing trees or building wind farms will take carbon from inside the carbon cycle out of the carbon cycle.

400 ppm is too much, and the mechanisms for putting that carbon in the ground is gone and never coming back. The best we can possibly do is stop making it worse, and we won’t, because everyone wants to have a whole chicken in their fridge that’ll end up rotting because the availability of goods, whether we’ll actually consume them or not, is the most important thing in the world.

Not really a big fan of children, I take it?

Technically capitalism will probably have a maximum co2 level, probably far after we see how harmful it is and it starts negatively impacting it.

It’s hard not to feel nihilistic. Especially because even in the worst case scenario, it’s extremely unlikely that humans will become extinct. No, the worst case scenario is worse than that: the people who are most responsible for exacerbating the climate crisis will also be the ones with the resources available to shield themselves from the devastation. Even if society as we know it completely collapses, people will survive, and on our current trajectory, those people will be the worst of us.

For me, it’s less about saving the planet from the climate crisis, more about doing what little I can to maximise the likelihood that the people who inherit the earth aren’t the assholes who are willfully profiting from human misery — the ones who see themselves as the greater good.

Sometimes when I feel hopeless about humanity’s chance to liberate ourselves before climate catastrophe truly rolls in, I wonder whether it’d be better if humans were gone entirely. Maybe I’d rather see the world burn completely than for it to go to the disgusting people who make me ashamed to be human. Ultimately, I don’t believe this — I’d be dead already if I did. I don’t think my life matters all that much, but I’m not one of the people who would be deemed worth saving by the billionaires and autocrats, so I might as well stick around and fight for, and with all the other forsaken people to build things that are worth preserving; I figure that communities and solidarity will be even more crucial in the future than now.

A few years ago, my best friend was in a coma and on a ventilator for a few months, before eventually dying. The hardest part of that period was when we didn’t know whether he would survive or not, because I had to go about my life despite his absence, and yet I couldn’t grieve yet. That feels sort of like how climate change feels now. I want to grieve, but I can’t, because there’s still work to do. The earth isn’t dead yet, and unlike when my friend was in hospital, my actions do have an impact on the end outcome. The analogy breaks down though, because I did get the chance to grieve my friend’s death, there won’t be a checkpoint like that for me, because the world won’t end, per se. The only thing that’ll be ending is my ability to impact the world, when I’m too dead to grieve for anything.

I imagine my desire to see the world burn rather than hand it over to the undeserving probably stems from a desperate desire to grieve what has already been lost, and what has not yet been lost, but will be. I wish I could allow myself the chance to despair, because that can be healing, eventually, but there simply isn’t time to do that precisely because this isn’t about me and my grief. There’s still work to do, and I can’t let myself collapse now, lest even more of our descendants future is eroded. I feel hopeful for the future because I have to in order to survive long enough to give the people who come after me a better shot at building something I never could. It’s a tremendous amount of pressure though.

That would’ve been true in the 1970s,but we’ve hit too many run away effects. We could entirely stop all fossil fuels use tomorrow and we wouldn’t see a drop in co2ppm for longer than it would take for all things built by humans to decay.

Bible stories aren’t real either.

Has there ever been a period in Earth’s history where CO2 concentration in the atmosphere changed this quickly without being accompanied by mass extinctions?

Take the rate of change by time of that curve and plot it, you’ll see a massive spike during today, And a line that bounces around zero for the rest of timeframe.

I think the point isn’t so much that Earth will heat up but that it will do so at a tremendous pace (in geological timescales). Nature can’t adapt so quickly. Basically it will lead to a mass extinction simply because of how quickly it is happening. Nature takes a longer time to genetically adapt to a changing environment than humans have even existed. That’s the problem.

do you have the CO2 data for that period as well

Who are you?

Humans came into existence during the ice caps phase.

The earth may have seen higher temperatures but we as a species or any of our humanoid ancestors have certainly not.

It’s disingenuous to frame the issue as just another hot period on earth

Where the current day curve, you may ask. At this scale, it’s that line on the right going straight up.

society lacks a plan. wealth inequality has been going up since before 2000. but somehow, society just carried on. “if we work hard, i’m sure it will turn out alright.”

the current social divide (poor/rich, not dem/rep) was predictable long ago. what do you expect? 10 or 20 years ago would have been the perfect time to question the fundamentals of society and decide where society really wants to go - to develop in the long term.

now we’re here. now’s the 3rd best time to figure out how society should develop in the long term. think about it.