I saw it being denounced as a psyop which I thought was funny, since I think it pretty clearly isn’t one. But directing people to lemmy.ml is bad advice as most of us know.
When I first heard of Lemmy, I curiously poked around, and at the time it was just lemmygrad and ml. Needless to say I backed out quickly. Glad it got some diversity with the api kerfuffle.
That’s some grade A fine vintage gourmet cringe.
I skimmed it the first time and didn’t notice how bad it was. I don’t like using the word cringe but this is quite the composition, lmao
What a hero
It’s quite bombastic. I just wanted a place that wasn’t run by a corporation.
ITT: reddit 2.0 normies (read .world) crying about .ml again
Yeah, us “normies” prefer to go to places that don’t ban you for not passing their purity test.
here we go bois
So nice that radical activism only requires I switch apps 🥳
Yeah this thing is worded so strong for what it is
I don’t know how the French are able to rally in real life and put everything on the line to push back fascism. I know I should do something real to fight back, but like, I’ve got a lot going on ya know? Maybe I’ll be rallied by the time atrocities have already happened, but I hope not.
The main difference being that France is 248,573 mi² (643,801 km2)
The contiguous United States is 3,119,000 mi² (8,080,464.3 km²)
France also has a 3.5x higher population density
Inhabitants/km²
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France: 124.4
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United States: 35.2
The country’s population density doesn’t change anything to protest, it’s a cultural thing. People only live in cities anyway why would having huge empty fields affect protests ?
And there are plenty of denser countries which fight way less.
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I saw a post on here the other day where someone was complaining that their coworkers “don’t care” about the current political climate and after they elaborated, they were describing people who do care but weren’t actively spearheading a demonstration. I don’t know if they expect them to go stand in traffic or what.
I give monthly donations to nonprofits that I like and email my state representatives when EFF or Fight for the Future tells me to but I’ve also got a life to live. Just stay informed, vote/petition, donate if you can, but live your life. You can only do so much.
I appreciate reminding me that taking the most extreme action is not the only way to respond here. It’s hard to not see Luigi and immediately think ‘that’s actually doing something right there!’ being engaged counts
We have unions, a variety of political parties and many organisations who have decades, even a century of experience on how to organise rallyes. The only thing common people have to do it show up. And still, most French won’t go even if they sympathise with the message (I almost never do it).
Plot twist: it’s a ploy by reddit to get extremists off their platform and on to Lemmy
It’s a plot twist to overload the servers of single instances.
Having them pointed towards lemmy.ml is a little concerning.
More than a little concerning, it’s happened plenty of times before. People see that BS on the Tankie Triad and then leave thinking Lemmy is just a bunch of tankies
Sometimes they try another non-Tankie instance and realize that we’re not all like that, but I’m sure a majority never return always thinking that all of Lemmy is “that Tankie hangout” or worse, a Voat 2.0
To be fair, it was apparently posted in r/anarchocommunism, so I’d just chalk it up to knowing your audience. At least it was just .ml, and not grad or hexbear!
I’d say that’s even more tone-deaf then. Anarchists hate tankies.
Capitalism destroyed our government, captured our constitution, and is literally ending the world (for humans, don’t worry it’ll be fine in a few million years and it’ll be like we never existed, thank goodness for that).
I find comedy in people likely here due to the greed rot of Spez wanting to go public and now fondling billionaire balls still, here on Lemmy like digital refugees in the wake of capitalism breaking promises to and destroying a community to increase private profit, going “ewww commies and socialists.”
Credit where it’s due, the capitalist’s Orwell game is God tier.
I mean they are annoying
.ml would be worse than Reddit if they had the same number of users.
No, we are going “ewww tankies”
We should do a bunch of them with varying non-Tankie instances
Like programming.dev or lemmy.blahaj.zone
Or maybe even better, have a small table at the bottom with their focuses
Yeah. join-lemmy.org unfortunately isn’t great because it often points to random semi dead instances.
Something like,
The instance you join doesn’t matter much — because you can access all content no matter what instance you are on — but it can be nice to be on an instance that shares you interests and values, because you will have to conform to the rules of that instance. Think of it like your clan — it’s like your email being yourname@yourworkplace — you can still email everyone else and see their emails, but it signals something about you, and it has different rules.
Here are a couple options:
General Purpose:
- discuss.online (hosted US)
- lemm.ee
- lemmy.cafe
- sh.itjust.works (hosted Canada)
Interests:
- mander.xyz (Science)
- programming.dev (Programming)
- infosec.pub (Cybersecurity)
- lemmynsfw.com (Porn)
Diversity:
- lemmy.blahaj.zone (LGBTQ+)
Regions/Langauges:
- jlai.lu (French)
- feddit.org (German)
- lemmy.ca (Canada)
- aussie.zone (Australia)
Ideology:
- lemmy.dbzer0.com (Anarchism and Piracy)
- slrpnk.net (Environmentalist Leftists)
- lemmy.ml (Authoritarian Leftists)
Please copypaste my comment and add instances / improve it
I like the idea, but people have said several times that choosing an instance is a barrier for them.
I usually go with
"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/ if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
I think I have seen your posts on reddit before haha
Oh definitely !
Wait, are you u/blazealt?
Yeah I think I elaborated too much. Let’s just keep recommending small instances — because the current centralisation on world sucks.
I’ve been thinking of switching instances.
But I think part of the problem is the domain names on so many instances are so odd. Lemmy.world is very clean and easy to tell someone verbally, as opposed to say sopudi.xvz or dbzer0 or blahaj.zone.
I suppose “discuss.online” isn’t such a bad name. And “midwest.social” but people who are not in the Midwest might not feel like they identify with that geographically.
Didn’t even mention mine. For a brand new user, they don’t know what the fuck is going on there.
lemmy.cafe, lemmy.zip, lemmy.one
Lemmy.world is also the most reliable and the smoothest experience.
I strongly have the opposite opinion. Let people start on Lemmy.World and once they have experience (like you), they can move to where they want.
They’re an actual non-profit org out of the Netherlands with professional hosting.
Federation is a feature like divorce is a feature. It’s extremely important that it exists and is accessible. Not everybody needs to do it. Other servers are a fine option if you know what you’re doing and are willing to deal with more issues OR if there’s a compelling reason (such as the various regional servers).
When federation between lemm.ee and lemmy.world is behind by an hour or two, where do you think users will have a better experience? When 90% of their content is now a couple hours older, that’s a worse experience.
And spreading people out doesn’t really fix anything. It just puts more stress on federation technology. If you spread out all the users, Federation becomes a much harder to manage many to many relationship between all the servers, instead of primarily being a one to many relationship.
In short, if you spread out the users equally, suddenly every instance begins to have federation issues with each other, and everyone has a worse experience. With a bigger “main” instance, the majority of users are less affected by federation issues, and the issues are less common.
The regional servers have more of a balance here. 90% of their content may be old, but the 10% they are up to date with are the things closest to them, most important to them, and maybe in their language.
I do appreciate having several general use instances. I just don’t want to send newbies there who will generalize their experience to all of Lemmy and the Fediverse.
I mean, why not go totally targeted? If there are people here who still have reddit accounts then tailor the graphic for the sub you post in. If its an lgbtqia+ sub, suggest Blahaj, if its a tech sub suggest programming.dev, if its a piracy or data hoarder sub db0 etc etc.
Oh indeed, but usually it’s on /r/RedditAlternatives so I have no idea what the person I’m talking to is like
Also that way my message can work for lurkers too
Whatever happened to Beehaw? Did they defederate so much to the point that they’re not really relevant to other instances? I feel like they had an application process and were just generally walled off.
They also have stopped updating lemmy so they are running on really old software — which makes them incompatible with most apps!
That makes a lot of sense! I’m browsing with Thunder.
Seriously. People need to understand they can shop around for an instance that fits them better.
Who cares, just get them onboarded and we can deal with orientation later
Because they’ll onboard see the Tankie bullshit and go “oh it’s just Voat 2.0 :/” and leave before ever making it to orientation
I think you’re overestimating the repulsion/ attraction of the tankies. Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian socialism (i assume)
Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian
Not really, back in the day yea, but over the past year as other comm’s have grown on other instances their influence has been waning and all that’s left is the Tankie ideology
Programming.dev has taken over for FOSS and programming topics in general, other instances are taking over memes, and I’m even seeing more and more non-.ml privacy subs rise
If you look at MAUs, even the .ml memes comm (once THE most popular comm) doesn’t crack the top 10 anymore. Not a single .ml comm does
Not really. I mean they do discuss other topics but the ideology flows through everything there.
Whatever, infighting gets us nowhere , down with the big bad
I’m not very into Lemmy, what’s so bad about lemmy.ml?
We read and compared the Communist Manifesto with some level of agreement and usually quite a bit more. But it’s mostly privacy focused. Full disclosure: vegan anarchist.
It’s mostly Tankie focused, Tiananmen square massacre happened, and the CCP and Russia are Authoritarian dictatorships
I don’t understand how you could possibly think this. Literally any discussion of China, even non-political that does not conform to the admins beliefs results in an immediate instance-wide ban. It is one of the most censored spaces on the internet and absolutely not safe for anarchist ideas.
My account is 3 years old and have talked about anarchist ideas with them in the past and haven’t been banned. Don’t know what to tell you hoss
They’re part of the Tankie Triad who deny the human rights violations of the CCP and hold them up as the gold standard.
Basically Authoritarian bootlickers pretending to not be authoritarians
It’s controversial. It was created by the creators of Lemmy and has some techbro feelings about a lot of stuff. I’m not trying to start an .ml fight, I’m against pushing for any particular instance.
I would recommend new users to stay away from the biggest ones and steer towards one level down. You want enough communities and instances to line your front page, but the big ones are big enough. Let’s spread the load.
I don’t think you need any communities to line your front page until you get subscriptions going. I think going a level down from the biggest ones is still too big and will still lead to giant instances as they inevitably grow over time. Same with putting practically all the communities on lemmy.world or lemmy.ml.
That’s concentrating a lot of people and content in a handful of places, and slightly-less-centralized is still effectively centralized. No instance admins should have that much power.
I was referencing to when I signed up for Lemmy. I really missed the front page of r/ and was looking for that. I didn’t realize that the default would be so dead and also, I was on a really small instance, so the page was suuuuper dead since nothing was referenced yet. People can switch to smaller, but we don’t want to overwhelm them or make it look way worse populated than it is. I get your concern, but that’s why I recommend it to be mid level. You may not care if your front page is dead, but the newbies do.
I get that. I think it is therefore incumbent upon us and the people running instances to inform new users how to do this new thing.
I’m not saying your way is wrong, just that I think inertia will ultimately win out over ideology.
Anyway, have a lovely day!
It took a few times for me to cross over because it was completely new to me. I guess that might not be the case for every crossover. You have a lovely day too.
No matter what advice you give people, they’re still basically going to do what they want. Many will prefer to join larger servers, and some will always prefer smaller ones.
Honestly I think we should worry way less about this, because Lemmy is FOSS and we have enough solid instances already. People will naturally find their way and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave. We don’t need to try to orchestrate and fine tune what instances people use. Let them do what they want, and trust that the decentralized and redundant federated structure will function as intended.
It should only come into play if large instances actually can’t keep up with their userbase growth from a technological standpoint. But again that problem solves itself because they can just close sign ups.
and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave.
Will they though? I’ve seen people wanting to leave the bigger ones and don’t know how to transfer all of their subs and stuff.
I have no idea how this is done, or that it was a thing.
He answers a little bit down. You go to settings and there’s an export button. Save that to your drive, sign up for the new instance you’d like to go to and then import that .json file.
There are already tools for that, and it will probably get easier with time. In general, people should be encouraged to create multiple accounts on different servers from the beginning, so they already have built in options if they want to leave.
I use different sorting algorithms on my different accounts and also have different subscriptions, so the front page often looks totally different when I sign into my alts. Some of them are even federated with hexbear 🫣. I always find interesting posts that I missed by doing that.
There are already tools for that,
What tools and where can I find them?
Yeah, that’s kind of my point. A lot of people have no clue how the Fediverse works, and so they see that an instance is big and maybe has the name Lemmy in it, and they think that that’s going to be the one to give them the best experience.
Letting people know that they can get basically the same experience without having to go with the big ones is something I think everybody should know, since it’s such a foreign concept to centralized social media. They have choice in the matter.
And if they want to stick with the big ones, because they like some aspect, then they’ve at least been made aware of what their options are. People should be able to make informed decisions.
Finding an instance that fits you is also significantly more difficult than even mastodon too.
It’s a tankie instance. “ML” as in Marxism-Leninism.
and in practice they are more MLM (maoism) or MLS (stalinism).
Yeah if they were run of the mill Marxists it’d be one thing, but it’s an authoritarian mess
And here I was thinking it was just a cheap ccTLD to use.
I think that’s TLD for Malaysia?
That’s what I thought until I looked it up recently! .my is Malaysia, .ml is Mali.
If only :(
Technically correct, but I wonder how people are gonna handle the really serious dictator shit, like friends and relatives disappearing instead of tweets.
We need a place to communicate, coordinate, and share what’s happening. Control of the narrative and the ability to prevent coordinated responses are essential for their plans.
Here’s the thing. A platform is it’s users. 2 years ago Lemmy rocked. Now the Redditors are arriving and it’s turning into a literal Reddit clone. Open the front page 2 years ago and it was all kinds of exciting and novel stuff. Now it’s Trump bad, nazi bad, fascism bad, racism bad, homophobia bad, musk moron, celebrity dead.
Add filters https://lemmy.world/post/24545370
Makes the experience more bearable.
You realize there’s a fascist takeover happening right now, yes? It has nothing to do with redditors and everything to do with current events.
Um.
A bunch of Reddit assholes showing up in response to that idea, somehow nullifies my point???!
Xit
im kind of embarrassed by how cringe this is and i really hope they dont represent the fediverse
I despise the way cringe gets used like this, and I still agree 100% with you
In this moment, I am euphoric…
-Aalewis
I, uh, upvoted the post and reversed it.
Fucking sends people to .ml specifically. Whoosh.
I hope lemmy.ml is ready for the influx, particularly as this post linked them directly.
Hopefully NOT so it breaks and people go-to more sane instances
Think of your average redditor. They’ll just think it’s broken and go back to reddit.
Better than them going back to Reddit and thinking “Lemmy is just Tankies”
Like I’ve seen many times before
I didnt even hear the word tankie til I got here, its just other lemmy users keeping ppl away
I think it’s just that they are more obvious here, so it led to a popular use term. Bigger issue is that they can be kinda annoying and I suspect it might only grow their numbers if they are the default community that potential redditors have as their first experience in lemmy.
I honestly think those are bots and children. I was confused only very briefly by the least accessible explanations known to man, before figuring it out for myself. I just wish more people knew how to link !communities and @profiles.
!communities federation is busted. sometimes the final link is federated which makes it functionally useless for anyone outside the original instance. I haven’t been able to figure out why, just don’t down vote bomb anyone replying with a working link because it works for you, thanks.
I thought it was just my instance doing it! And everyone downvotes links no matter what. I think it’s something to do with apps opening them in the browser? I dunno
They probably don’t want the annoying people commenting “R slash funny” or “r slash clevercomebacks” on every post.
Your username gave me a mini heart attack.
I always hope people get a little giggle at the joke after the initial shock.
Should’ve point to .world
Isn’t that one the most popular of the lemmy instances?
EDIT: this is mostly so the newcomer finds plenty content to not leave after a few minutes of browsing.
https://lemm.ee/ defaults to All, second most active instance
While I agree with the message, that the people should leave all centralized Social Media services, the big mistake here is concentrating a massive user-base on one instance (.ml) of one specific service (Lemmy) instead of spreading the influx towards many smaller, but still solid instances and federated services (PieFed, Mastodon, MBin).
Even disregarding .ml’s reputation, if this post does reach a substantial user-base, the only thing happening then is .ml receiving a HoD and people losing faith in the Fediverse as a whole (e: spelling) due to this, sadly. :c
Edit different versions for different instances
.ml? hope they know.
They do, look at their unbelievably purple prose. This person thinks they’re the modern day Lenin or something.
Fortunately it seems a number of us steered people towards other servers like BlahajZone, LemmyWorld, and SlrPnk.
Could we get a brief explanation for why those are bad too? I left a different instance because they removed down votes, but I just picked world because I saw more posts and comments from them at the time. It’s been more mixed lately
why those are bad too?
You mean BlahajZone, LemmyWorld, and SlrPnk? I think they’re generally pretty good. LemmyWorld has some problems due to its size and older versions of Lemmy.
what’s wrong with my instance? its a real question, i dont use lemmy that often
Extremely sensitive admins who ban people from all communities for any criticism of China, Cuba and North Korea.
It’s a running joke on Lemmy at this point.
So these socialist admins banned some people from all socialist communities. Then the liberal admins from the largest instances banned all socialists from all instances as collective punishment. Because… authoritarianism?
I mean that explanation doesn’t explain why the socialist instances are all pre-banned and pre-censored on the mainstream instances. Which makes the poster perfect irony.
They banned people from all communities on their instance, not just political ones.
I assume you’re talking about Lemmy world? They didn’t ban all socialists from all instances as that’s impossible. They defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad because they say how toxic their userbase was. They’re still federated with lemmy.ml because their users behave normally.
Jokes are funny. the Triad is barely amusing.
oops, i should migrate
.world straight up blocks /c/piracy and “preemptively” blocked hexbear.
- blocking hexbear is a good idea
- world unblocked priacy instances over a year ago
World went back and banned dbo piracy comm after banning then unbanning when people noticed
just checked if I can see piracy on lemmy.world and yes you’re correct. Though it seems only the db0 instance was banned in particular weirdly.
I still stand by point 1 though. Hexbear as an instance has been profile-blocked by me.
They blocked piracy for like a day over a year ago and then unblocked it when the users were clearly against it.
Hexbear being blocked is a good thing and overwhelmingly supported by the users.
They blocked piracy for like a day over a year ago and then unblocked
Still blocked for me. Every time I click !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com returns a “couldnt_find_community” error message.
I’m a .world user:
Here is what I see on my end:
You’re loading into the main dbzero webpage, not pulling the data into your .world instance.
lemmy.dbzer0.com then? 😎
Blocking hexbear is a sensible choice, good for them.
So they took the initiative to stop Hexbear brigading and spamming their authoritarian bootlicking on their instance? Good choice.
