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      Most valuations by actual economists and the like was in the 20-25B range. So it still lost a 5x in value, which is only marginally worse than 10x.

      Meanwhile, you have the Elon fanboys still pretending Twitter is doing better than it ever has.

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      The point of acquiring Twitter wasn’t to make money; it was to take away something that woke lefty journalists like and give it to fascists.

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        Have you considered that Elon Musk is a dumbass rather than a super genius?

        The guy didn’t plan on buying twitter. He was made to after he tried gaming the system and fucked it up.

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            Incredibly inflated ego and self-image combined with poor emotional maturity and self-control after a life of entitlement. He said it to piss people off and then came back to eat shit, but unfortunately is also so rich he can throw his money away and have it barely matter.

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          Yea it’s this. If he was smart he wouldn’t make himself look like a total idiot every week.

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          And? I seem to recall that he fantasized about doing it loudly enough and in enough detail, that he was legally obligated to follow through to avoid being charged with securities fraud. The reason he wanted to do it was to take a communications medium away from the liberals and give it to the Nazis.

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            This is marvel-brained fantasy. The guy played games and ended up with a business he doesn’t understand and never should have been in charge of. He’s not a super-villain, he’s an ordinary villain, dumbass nepotism case.

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        Honestly, i think he wanted to oump and dump the stock and was flabbergasted when Twitter forced him to purchase it for the full price he states.

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    It astounds and amazes me that there was a time Elon could have feasibly been considered a smart, level-headed entrepreneur. The whole submarine thing with the trapped kids really was the beginning of his unraveling. I for one thank Elon Musk for proving once and for all to even the most shameless corpo-apologists that having a ton of money doesn’t magically make you smart or cool. The dude’s an idiot, and I love watching him self-destruct.

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      At one point they even had him cameo in iron man, and had him name dropped on star trek as a pioneer of human discovery. People used to jerk off to this dude’s PR image like he was a real life Tony Stark.

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        If he stayed off Twitter he’d have a pretty impressive CV. Mainstream electric cars, actually usable Satellite Internet, Major Solar Panels etc. Even weird shit like Hyperloop would just be random neat things.

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          Same with JK Rowling, Kanye West, Notch, etc. It’s literally so fucking easy for people like this to remain loved by everyone. Just keep your fucking mouth shut. Give nice polite interviews about your job, stay out of politics, let a boring publicity agent manage your social media for you, and enjoy your billions of dollars in peace.

          Why is it so hard?

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            I would have a think tank. I would pay a hundred or so smart people obscene amounts of money to tell me my ideas are daft and come up with really great ideas for me.

            The mind boggles as to why someone like musk doesn’t do this. It would be like achieving global eternal financial domination on easy mode. A world hack if you will. It would cost a mere fraction of his wealth.

            Imagine if every descision you made was well informed and well reasoned instead of just shit.

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            Why should they care about being loved by people they don’t care about? It’s normal to have the desire to express your political opinion.

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              Or, you know, you could keep it to yourself and wait until someone asks for it.

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          Putting aside that that whole show is pretty rough and I’ve mentally decanonized it, the guy who said it is technically a mega space nazi from the space nazi dimension so I choose to believe he just thought that Musk being an aspiring space nazi was as cool in our universe as it was in his.

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          I prefer to pretend that they’re talking about another person named Musk, one of his many kids perhaps…

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        They put him on Rick and Morty in the most cringe inducing fashions and it was like watching a cartoon suck off a guy.

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      and I love watching him self-destruct.

      I guarantee he’d rather be in his position than yours.

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        Yeah, can lose all this wealth and still be fucking wealthy in a way that literally dozens of people only know.

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      Please stop attacking my character based on terrible purchase decisions

      What a beautiful car

      Until I owned it

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        I’ll never forget my Sweet 3 series… Because I’m still paying for it’s repairs years later.

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      Nah, he just donated 40B to the former ownership. Keeping the big bucks in the hands of the ultra wealthy.

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    I could be remembering wrong but Twitter was only worth $15B at best, and Elon bought it for $44B because he’s that smart.

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      I genuinely think he’s just a pawn in a bigger game in which some powers wanted twitter gone.

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        Brainless but sounds like a competent leader. Has all the qualities the Illuminati are looking for when appointing a new drone.

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        Why gone? I understood that the Saudi government just wanted to de-anonymize it (i.e be informed about the authors of any critical tweets).

        Like that guy who has been condemned to death for a critical tweet to his… 8 followers.

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          He hasn’t stopped a lot of folks, including all the shitty ones that would normally be banned. Hell, he unbanned them in many cases (i.e. Trump.) With Blue he gave them a way to be all the top responses in comments no matter how shitty their take is. Making the feed useless can be just as bad (if not worse) then censoring it.

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        No. He may be influenced by others, but it’s clear his ego is just that enormous and that his emotional immaturity makes him do stupid shit impulsively.

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            Even if he was ‘manipulated’ he would be the same person regardless if he wasn’t. He is clearly a self-serving person with ego problems. There are no billionaires that aren’t fucked up people.

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              Oh for sure! But a stupid person may do stupid things on their own, and more stupid things when manipulated.

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      How are you defining worth? It’s value was probably in the 20Bs and it’s market value was well in the 30Bs. By value I am saying a world where owners just dumped all their shares until they were no longer owners, by market value I mean what another entity might pay to buyout twitter.

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    When no-one was looking, Elon Musk lost forty billion. He lost 40 billion. That’s as many as four tens billions. And that’s terrible.

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      I never would have guessed that Musk is a billion times worse than Lex Luthor, but the math is right there. Terrible.

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      He could have ended world hunger multiple times. But instead he bought a social media site so he could be popular with the Nazi crowd.

      On the bright side, whenever anyone fucks things up now, they can think “well at least at least I didn’t fuck things up as badly as Elon Musk.”

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      Terrible for him. Great for everyone else that that 40 billion is now in the hands of other people. 

      It’s also ironic, that he is single-handedly the greatest redistributor of his own wealth. 

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        Terrible for him

        Not really, and that’s the obscene part. Literally absolutely nothing changed about his standard of living by losing $40B.
        He could have solved world hunger for years with that money, and wouldn’t even have had to give anything up for it.

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        40 billion going into the bank accounts of investors that previously owned Twitter stock certainly is a redistribution of wealth, but I doubt it’s the kind you’re referring to.

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      40,000 millions. Most people could live without working ever again with one million dollars (provided they managed them wisely.)

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        Last time I looked into it, it was closer to 4 million to “never work again” if you were in your mid-30s. Nowadays, even that figure is probably not enough. Your point still stands, however.

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          Let’s run an experiment. Someone give me 1 million dollars, post-taxes, and I’ll try my best to never work again. Any takers?

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      This is the quote:

      “I don’t see any scenario where they’re responsible for less than 10% of the value destruction, so around $4 billion.”

      In my head, he is comparing the minimum size of ADLs value reduction to be 10% or 4 billion. 10% of 44 billion is 4,4 billion. In this comment he is not saying anything about the current value except that 10% of 44 is around 4.

      How else can you read it?

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        He’s saying that 10% of the value reduction is 4 billion so the total value reduction is 40 billion (of the 44 billion he bought it for).

        But you’re right, he probably meant it like you read it and just failed to express himself properly.

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          Are you saying that real life “Tony Stark genius, billionaire” is a bit thick and incapable of expressing his thoughts coherently?

          I’m shocked I tell you. Shocked…

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        You can read it as “being responsible for 10% of the [total] value destruction, equal to $4B”.

        So if they’re responsible for 10% of the total value loss, and that’s equivalent to $4B, then 100% of the total value lost would be $40B.

        Otherwise you would say “they’re responsible for destroying 10% of the value”.

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          Right. So it’s a Schroedinger’s quote…😑

          But thanks for pointing out what was obvious for others

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    For that to be true, it would have needed to be worth $44B in the first place, which it absolutely was not. But there is no doubt that his mismanagement has tanked the value of the investment. He’s a narcissist so never see it that way, but the whole rest of the world knows that.

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      As a business? Probably not worth that valuation. As a propaganda machine to be able to influence a decent percentage of the population? I think it was.

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        Only because larger media outlets use it as “news”

        Twitter has always been one of the smaller “social media” giants

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        AFAIK he had to be sued into buying it once he tried to weasel out of the deal. So it wasn’t for lack of trying definitely 😂😂😂

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          There was a clause in the contract that said if he backed out he would have to pay $1 billion. Who knew that would actually have saved him way more to exercise that clause.

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    Imagine having so much wealth that he can walk away from his utter failure at Xitter and remain completely unaffected. For him, this is like some side-hustle vanity project a bored trophy wife runs.

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      Losing 40b is a pretty big deal even for Musk to be fair. It’d be more like a bored housewife remortgaging the house to pay for their vanity project.

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        I mean not really, he knows he’ll always have a roof over his head, food on his table, doctors when he’s ill, it is a rather big deal but that doesn’t really affect his daily life in any significant way.

        He’ll still be able to afford anything he may ever want, what he really lost is financial power and social respect.

        In short I think it’s more like a bored housewife getting thrown out from the homeowners association.

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          He’ll still be able to afford anything he may ever want, what he really lost is financial power and social respect.

          That’s like the worst for a person like Musk.

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    When you have a net worth measured in the billions of dollars, it’s genuinely impressive to be able to lose money. With that kind of sum behind your name, you could just do nothing and out-earn most people on the planet with just interest alone. To actually be able to lose money? Now that takes work!

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      Since Elon is just flushing money down the toilet, do you think he might do me a solid and slice me off like 50k? Brah, that’s like if I dropped a penny on you from my last paycheck, right? I ain’t even getting greedy.

      Like he could do that for 800,000 people and it would just be buying twitter, right?

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        With $40 billion you could give a random person $1 million today. Then give another person $1 million the next day. And so on, for 100 years.

        And you’d still have a private jet, a bunch of mansions, a fleet of luxury cars, and a bunch of yachts.

        It’s completely bizarre that a billionaire that’s so desperate to be popular doesn’t just give money to people. They don’t want to give up the power that wealth gives them and so try to trick people into liking them.

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        Simply reversing Elon’s decisions would bring back advertisers and engineers, and the media would paint them as the Messiah for saving “the Internet’s public square”.

        And for 90% off the ticket price? Why not

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          They already made more money than they could ever spend in a lifetime.

          Secondly that 13 Billion with a B debt isn’t going away just because the website formerly known as Twitter is worthless.   That’s 1 Billion in interest even if it ain’t worth shit yearly.

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          They already made more money than they could ever spend in a lifetime.

          Secondly that 13 Billion with a B debt isn’t going away just because the website formerly known as Twitter is worthless. That’s 1 Billion in interest even if it ain’t worth shit yearly.

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            Yeah, it’s easy to forget but it was a leveraged buyout meaning that a lot (all?) of the debt is Twitter’s, not Elon’s.

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        Maybe they could use it to swindle some other mega rich bastard, just the way they robbed Musk.