Wouldn’t encouraging cession mean MTG is now encouraging active rebellion against the United States? And wouldn’t that make her ineligible to hold office under the 14th amendment?
Let’s get that lawsuit roll’in.
You would think, but this is the second time she’s suggested secession (admittedly she wasn’t as blatant the first time) and nothing was done. I doubt anything will be done this time either. It wasn’t even a major headline.
People are talking more and more about whether the 14th amendment bars Trump from running for president. If that ends up happening I think it’ll end up being applied to other insurrectionist politicians.
Voicing an opinion, especially a political one, is pretty heavily protected. I think there would need to be some other crime being committed (e.g. actually taking up arms).
Agreed, and for the rest of these dumb asses:
Secession isn’t always rebellious. See Czechoslovakia’s peaceful split as an example.
And how do you think the Supreme Court would rule on that case?
Depends on where you send Clarence Thomas on vacation first.
Alternative title: Margarine Trailer Queen endorses treason.
Margarine Failure Gangrene got a face like leathery treason.
Marginally Tailored Grebe got hair like hay bail twine.
Dies of laughing ass off
The Union should have scorched earth the South when it had the chance. Tear up their train tracks, block the harbors, nationalize all the farm lands, dissolve the rebel states borders into Federal Territories, hang all rebel political leaders and put all military officers above Lt. in front of the firing squad. Instead, you let them live and fester, even naming military bases, ships and tanks after them.
Fucking Andrew Johnson.
Fucking Andrew Johnson.
This needs to be said every time it comes up.
I consider him to be the second worst US president
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I don’t know why you got downvoted because it’s fact that a lot of wealthy southern families are generational plantation wealth that just pivoted into the corporate world after slavery was abolished.
Americans really don’t like pointing out that we have oligarchs too.
Yeah, Americans aren’t even taught in primary and secondary school that the American Revolution was started by the 1% who wanted more representation for their interests in parliament, not the interests of the poor. The founding fathers were largely wealthy plantation owners, traders, and other types of elites who were losing even more money than before because of the unfavourable tariffs levied on the colonies after the seven years war. Thousands died so the rich could stay rich.
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Let’s do a quick thought experiment and say there was an actual legal framework for states to leave the union. How do Republicans think that would go? Under no circumstances would any major city in the south go along with leaving. Republicans states are far more purple than elections would suggest due to voter suppression, election fraud, and gerrymandering. So in reality the confederate areas would just be poor rural areas. Add in the fact that the US holds the keys to all the military equipment and weapons, the confederate areas would turn into a lawless hell scape over night. And without nuclear weapons and no international agreements for defense, I’m sure Mexico and Cuba would love to reclaim some of their lost territory.
I can go on. But the main reason these idiots keep bringing this up is to suggest violence into getting their way. It’s not even a viable option to even consider for them. The situation I made is a best case scenario for them to. If they tried to violently leave the union it would be couple million good old boys in trucks up against jets and tanks.
Would love to see the Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator between a couple million good old boys in trucks vs like 50 jets and 50 tanks.
All them good ol boys riding Walmart mobility scooters due to spending all their points into Diabeetus.
I just wanna see them fly when the Trebuchet rock hits em.
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Would love to see your face when you consider the US military, which hasn’t won a real war in nearly 80 years, trying to occupy an area 10 times the size of Afghanistan. Please just ignore the 100 million gun-toting good old boys in trucks. I am sure they have no idea what guerilla warfare is and won’t protect their homes at all. Also, I’m sure none of that military will defect to protect their families.
Those 50 jets and 50 tanks will definitely end the conflict in the first hour.
Um what? Sorry but you are wrong on so many levels it’s concerning.
The Afghanistan forces we fought weren’t just a military force scratched together from random people off the street. They were at the time battle hardened men in their 30s and 40s, who’s leadership was trained and initially train by US advisors to fight off the USSR. They were a strong force fighting in home territory. (the same goes for the VietCong, and Once North Korea was supported by Standing army of China. The Korean War was lost.) so in reality the “good old boys” don’t have that advantage.
Secondly, those wars were lost in part due to Logistics. Fighting a war on the other side of the world is vastly different than one in your own back yard. Our opponents knew they just needed to wait us out. That would not happen in the south.
Next, the politics behind this wars was odious from the beginning. The vast majority of Americans didn’t support the wars over seas. A war against the south would be very popular in the north and mostly popular in urban areas in the south. Remember, the south wouldn’t be trying to leave to create another American Democracy. It would be for a Christian Nationalist Oligarchy. Their goal would be to reinstate slavery, women suffrage, and the genocide of LGBTQ+ people.
And finally, the military is politically “conservative” but in the economic way and not in the I think my small town with two black people is getting too ethnic way. There would be some military people that would defect, but far fewer than it would take to weaken the US military. Individuals with strong racist beliefs wash out very quickly and definitely are not in leadership! There’s a reason the military makes sure units are made up of people from all walks of life. Bigotry of any kind doesn’t make an effective fighting force.
Also remember that most red states are welfare states that need federal funding to just exist and on their own they would be broke and unable to provide basic needs like water and electricity .
Most of those states would collapse at the next hurricane that hits them. Florida had to declare a natural disaster just from 1 hurricane. Hurricane Katrina would leave Louisiana a third world country if not for federal government funds.
It’s also like they can’t even conceive the notion that most of the left and even a good few liberals are armed and train regularly and also live out in podunk.
Based on international law the states would maintain their current borders, that means the urban areas would come along for the ride (IF under an actual referendum the majority was to vote in favor of separation vs the non democratic exercise that is US elections)
The movement would probably see the creation of a new Union instead of just having a bunch of small new countries, so it would be rich enough to equip itself and create an army (and those voting in favor would probably jump on the occasion to defend their new country).
Separation doesn’t happen overnight, you go and fetch support from other countries so you’re not left without any allies or international recognition if the vote is in favor (France was ready to recognize Quebec if any of the two referendums had been in favor of independence).
You didn’t create a “best case scenario”, you just created a scenario that fits your opinion on the subject.
Disclaimer: Am not from the USA, would gladly see it getting split in multiple countries just like I would gladly see Canada split in multiple countries as I think in both cases it would stop some parts of the country from slowing down progress in other parts. Ex.: If Mississippi and its citizens want to live in a third world country so much then so be it, let the rest of the US move forward.
There is no best case scenario. It’s not a feasible plan. I don’t understand why this even gets discussed as anything other than a fantasy or a thought exercise.
Many states are in a much better position than many existing countries. Just because you refuse to consider it doesn’t make it non feasible.
You get to have your go at a thought experiment but others you disagree with don’t get to do the same?
Which of the states that would secede are in a good place to do that?
Just looking at GDP/capita you can see that there are many red States that are above many European countries. The most popular example obviously is Texas at a secessionist movement has existed there for a very very long time… They have access to the ocean, a border with Mexico, resources… If they left it would probably lead to a movement where other states would want to join them to create the “United Republics of America” (to keep with the Republican theme)…
Just don’t have an extreme weather event or have any of their people with healthcare, who do you think pays to pick up the pieces? GDP/capita is not the final answer.
If you go by that logic then the USA in general can’t work as a country when compared with most other first world nations because all bad events always ends up being worse there than elsewhere. Guess the US should just reintegrate the British Empire then 🤷
Texas is going purple, though. The many, many people there that live there and are Democrats, are they going to be cool with turning it into a totally shithole country?
Texas’ GDP is what it is because it’s part of the United States.
You’re so simple you think Texas could secede from the United States and the companies and industries that promote that GDP would stay there? If clueless was a person it’s be you.
Right, because companies don’t exist outside the USA.
Why are you confrontational? You’re more emotionally invested in this than I am I guess.
I don’t care about thought exercises, anybody can hypothesize whatever scenario they want but there is no best case scenario because it’s not feasible.
From a purely practical perspective there is no way this could happen and giving credence to it only benefits these extremist types.
You might not be American but you sure act like one. Pretending to be an authority on a country that isn’t yours is a distinctly American behavior on the internet.
I don’t care about thought exercisesUnless it’s yours 🤷
It’s not mine, I’m not the commenter you originally replied to.
Let’s do a quick thought experiment and say there was an actual legal framework for states to leave the union.
That’s what the original commenter said. What I’m saying is it’s not feasible, in part because there is no legal framework for this.
This is one heck of a dog whistle if it’s reaching all the way outside the US.
Ain’t that the whole point of common law? There’s no legal framework -> go to court -> set the precedent -> there’s your framework
Separatists have to support each others, my nation’s separatist movement is older than anyone alive today. If some US states feel like they would be better off outside the union then good on them, the super nation experiment has run its course, it’s the same as empires of ages past and I don’t see anyone here defending the British Empire and being against Canada’s Confederation or saying that Haiti should still be a French colony… Weird how hard it is to apply equal standards to everyone 🤷
And then blue states can stop funding red states and the red states will crumble even further.
Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least… can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they’re red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140304131138/http://fuckthesouth.com/
We really need to do this. Leave them to their own devices and let them reap the results of their politics instead of shielding them.
The 14th amendment prohibits her from serving in congress. Period. Unequivocally. Are we going to start enforcing laws or not?
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The first amendment lets her state a political opinion though.
I didn’t say she can’t state an opinion. I said she can’t serve in congress.
And I’m saying there’s no legal reason why not.
People are against you here because they’re rightfully angry and want you to be wrong but you’re right. You can SAY whatever political opinion you want and nothing will happen so long as you’re not telling people to do something and they do it, that’s inciting.
If she acts upon these statements then she’s in trouble but just saying “I think we should secede” is protected under free speech. If she says “I think we should take up arms against democrat tyrants” and some nut jobs start killing those they perceive to be democrats, then she’s in trouble because she told them to do commit a crime and is therefore an accomplice of said crime.
I might be in the minority, but I say let 'em go: provided they take a proportional amount of the US debt with them, and give back all the military assets that the rest of the country bought. They can re-staff all those military bases they named after Confederates on their own dime, while paying back debt and funding their own Social Security.
I bet once they actually get presented the budget for their ideas, all of a sudden they decide they like the Blue states (and their tax base) a lot more than they used to.
I fully agree, fuck em. What do they contribute, cotton? I’m willing to pay higher prices for imported goods to get rid of those racist pricks once and for all.
We’d have to move Kennedy Space Center to Guam or something. There’s a good, nonpolitical reason it’s in Florida.
It’s so that crashes only hit Florida, right?
No. Favorable orbital mechanics given Florida’s location, plus failed rockets and staging can fall into the Atlantic instead of over land. Hawai’i would be another option but the natives would protest the fuck out of it and only some of them care about money more than their ideology.
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I don’t know about the debt thing, but I’ve had a fantasy for a while that some place like Florida decides to secede, and that attracts all the conservative chuds, white supremacists, and christo-fascists, who all rush to move down there to have their “revolution.” Then we just wall Florida off the way they wanted to do with Mexico. The conservatives can have the ultra-capitalist nightmare they’ve always wanted to build, and the rest of us can get on with life and finally have socialized healthcare and properly funded schools.
Bullshit. Those bases belong to us. They can build their own.
Tough shit if they don’t like a Yankee military base in their state.
No, they can keep the bases, we would take all the equipment, ammo, and tech. Let whoever decides to stay behind defend the base with their own personal ammo stash.
I wonder how far the first US military convoy out of a seceding state would make it from the base they were cleaning out before Y’all Qaeda decided to capturing the equipment and ammo.
We can call that “Operation Fort Sumter Redux”!
I’m surprised I had to scroll this far to find this top level comment I thought I was going to have to make myself. Fuck them. Let them secede. Good luck lol they’ll need it.
Proportional in terms of population?
That would be the fairest way to do it, of course, but there would be some poetic justice in making it proportional to the seceding state’s electoral vote weight.
I like this one the best, looking at you Wyoming
I think there’s some states that should take that deal. North Dakota has a $22b strategic reserve and would only owe ~$75b as a share of it’s national debt. It could turn itself into a cold, shale oil, Dubai.
Oh, wow. Texas, Missouri, Alabama, etc. become not our problem anymore? Gimme a petition to sign!
Nooo, I don’t want to be trapped here.
Everyday I wish that Illinois will adopt St Louis. So tired of this shit state but I’m stuck here taking care of parents and grandparents.
In the county but I share the sentiment!
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This woman needs to secede from my internet.
She needs to secede from corporeal existence.
Breaking News: MTG says controversial shit to stay in the news cycle.
Sure, but at what point do we say “this is treason” and do something about it?
I think that depends on how the cases against 45 go.
She’s a Republican, so I’m guessing we’ll normalize it forever.
Let’s do a quick thought experiment and say there was an actual legal framework for states to leave the union. How do Republicans think that would go? Under no circumstances would any major city in the south go along with leaving. Republicans states are far more purple than elections would suggest due to voter suppression, election fraud, and gerrymandering. So in reality the confederate areas would just be poor rural areas. Add in the fact that the US holds the keys to all the military equipment and weapons, the confederate areas would turn into a lawless hell scape over night. And without nuclear weapons and no international agreements for defense, I’m sure Mexico and Cuba would love to reclaim some of their lost territory.
I can go on. But the main reason these idiots keep bringing this up is to suggest violence into getting their way. It’s not even a viable option to even consider for them. The situation I made is a best case scenario for them to. If they tried to violently leave the union it would be couple million good old boys in trucks up against jets and tanks.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Sounds like she should be removed from Congress.
God I hate to support this ghoul, but it does say “engaged in” or “given aid to”. She’s given support for an insurrection, and if one happened I imagine she’d be impeachable due to both statements, but until then she’d be covered under the 1st amendment
She’s given support for an insurrection, and if one happened
…capitol building?
She should definitely be held accountable for that, yeah. But not this. This is actual freedom of speech
America’s power is that we are one nation with access to two oceans and friendly neighbors. Our greatest threat is from within.
Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide.
–Abraham Lincoln
She should still be raving and slurring her words relatively harmlessly in some dive bar, but nooooooo…Georgia had to go and get her elected.
The only reason I’m not an advocate for this is because this would mean abandoning LGBT people, minorities, and women in red states.
I thank you sincerely as a woman in a red state with some blue dots. I’m past raising kids and have a good job, I truly feel I am of more use here for the time being. I’m the only one makng sure several people know that there are differing view points from theirs. With all the cognative dissonance I can stand and a kind delivery, they get a chance to understand what “all these crazy libruls” are on about. I have an Aunt and cousins that live in mtg district, but they’ve been beyond my scope since Obama. I’ve decided on my qualifiers for when I’d leave but I have people here that would need me and that I want to be here for. I guess we’ll all just see right? Cheers
I’ve never understood this argument. If the Republicans take the presidency in 2024 and there’s no significant response, all of those people will experience the same “abandonment”, only they’ll have nowhere to go.
Why people are favoring secession of states over literal election results? Do you think Texas and Florida or Idaho or whatever is filled with republicans? Have you ever looked up the popular vote on these states?
If we lived in a majority rule system, that would matter. Unfortunately…
My solution: LGBTQIA+ and vulnerable persons Evacuation scheme. They get you on a bus the fuck out of there to somwhere like California or New York or Massachusetts.
Ahh. Another Republican advocating sedition.
Lock her up!
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We should be asking the DOJ that
^ THIS. She should have already been named.
Why do Republicans continue to vote for people who openly hate America? I thought they were supposed to be the party of patriots?
