Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their ‘Pro’ model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology
And they still don’t have PD on the pro.
My guess is that they’ll be going portless soon, and don’t want users freaking out that they can’t change their phones as quickly, so they’re intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.
They have to have USB power delivery by the EU law but only as fast as the device supports at all. So if they only have 20W charging at all that’s legal.
With how much they’re investing in video and how large their camera/film user base is, they will not go portless.
Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.
To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.
Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.
Yeah. The man was a piece of shit in several ways, but he was also good at what he did.
Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
EDIT: Not to say it’s still necessary. I mostly stick to the iPhone because I don’t want to repurchase all the apps I already purchased, some for a significant amount, if I have to replace my phone. If that becomes moot one day, like if iPhones get to the point that they’re unusable or somehow Apple goes under, I’ll switch.
So they had “innovative marketing”, ok.
People always down vote when I point that out as well lol. Windows mobile was already moving towards icon based UIs pre iPhone, so while the UI was a definite improvement it wasn’t the revolution it’s made out to be. The iPhone 1 had no app store or 3g so was not good for emails and, back in 2007 when flash still mattered, couldn’t access most of the Internet where windows phone could. I’m pretty sure it was successful purely based on the iPods popularity, at least until the iPhone 3gs and app store came out and it iPhone became arguably a better smartphone than those that came before.
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
Translation: “I blindly hate Apple and I have no idea what I’m talking about.”
Um… I’m on a Macbook right now and I have an iPhone.
Not for anyone that knew about mobiles…
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No dude, there were already symbian touchscreen devices on the market
Doesn’t mean the iPhone wasn’t revolutionary.
I was (and still am) a mobile app developer at the time. We had every major phone on the market in our office for testing purposes. Literally hundreds of different phones. You name any popular (and less popular) phone on the market at that time and I can guarantee you I’ve used it extensively.
The iPhone was absolutely revolutionary. However, it wasn’t because of a specific piece of technology, it was execution.
Symbian touch-screen phones existed, they were slow and laggy. The UI was nothing like the iPhone, which is built around directly manipulating UI elements with your finger. It seems obvious now, but back then it wasn’t. You could use the touch screen to manipulate a tiny scrollbar.
The closest thing to the iPhone was the LG Prada (KE850), which had a capacitive touch screen and the same scrolling mechanism as iPhone. However, it was small, had a tiny screen and was relatively slow. The software was also very limited, it was basically a feature phone, not a smartphone.
The iPhone was basically the first phone that got all of it right.
The iPhone was an incredibly obvious idea to follow up the iPod.
LOL no it wasn’t.
Sure, the idea of an apple phone had been out there for a while, but the actual device wasn’t obvious at all. Just look at all the speculation before the event, people making mockups of what they thought the iPhone would look like. Just look at the industry reactions afterwards.
For example, the reaction of blackberry founder Mike Lazaridis
Or the reaction from the people at Google working on Android
It was absolutely revolutionary at the time. The fact that the way it works seems obvious after the fact is testament to how good and revolutionary it actually was. We can’t even imagine things working differently anymore, but it was only obvious after it was revealed.
So what you’re saying is that it was an evolution of stuff already on the market. I mean the iPhone didn’t even have apps when it came out
It was absolutely a revolution.
The relevant definition of revolution: “a dramatic and wide-reaching change in conditions, attitudes, or operation.”
It didn’t matter if the technology already existed, hardly anyone was using it. Capacitive touchscreens existed, but there was no dramatic change, they were just used in the same way as resistive touchscreens. It was a different way of building a touchscreen, but very much an evolutionary change.
The iPhone was a revolution because it caused a dramatic and almost overnight change in the industry. What techies usually fail to see it that technology doesn’t matter. What matters is how it is used and what it allows people to do.
Apple coined the term App with the introduction of the App Store. They weren’t called that before the iPhone. That’s how influential the iPhone and its ecosystem were.
I can’t stand Apple’s ecosystem, but pretending like it wasn’t a major shift is just weird.
i was working in mobile at the time, and it was my job to keep up with the leading tech. i was using a Palm Treo when the iPhone was released, which was arguably the most advanced PDA phone at the time with blackberry being the primary competitor.
i vividly remember watching the announcement from the iphone and being shaken with how the device worked. the fact that you interact with it without a stylus, the highest resolution screen available on a PDA phone, combining the functionality of an ipod, phone, and rich HTML internet browsing device, and the fucking triple layered capacitive multi-touch touch screen were absolutely revolutionary. to say anything else is revisionist history. no one else had anything remotely like it.
and anyone who knew anything about mobiles at the time knew it was revolutionary and that the world was changing that day.
Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used
You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’d likely be dead in the water.
Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.
Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up
There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it’s not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that’s never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever, and to play with the newer and most powerful graphics options. Something that SoCs cannot change fast or easily.
Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it’s not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.
Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.
On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it’s massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.
RISC-V is open source. Lots of boards are moving to RISC-V.
Well it seems I am not up to day on the topic. This is great
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.Edit: I’ve been schooled.
The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.
The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.
Oh, I’ve been schooled. Thanks.
lmao what?
Yeah wtf is apple innovating?
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life.
That is absolute bullshit. Sure he was an asshole to his co-workers and even his family, but I’m so tired of this false narrative that acts like Jobs is completely overrated.
Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…oh wait they didn’t steal that. Remember when they stole MacOS from…oh wait…they didn’t do that either.
Stop being an armchair expert on something you have zero clue about. JFC.
Remember when they stole MacOS from…
XWindows? Was that what you were going to say?
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…
Wow, you are really digging the bottom of the barrel…
‘Good artists copy; great artists steal’ -Steve Jobs, proudly bragging about stealing ideas.
Such as the mouse which they stole from Xerox. There are many examples of this for people who don’t have apple dick in their mouths
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Sure. Let’s talk about Steve Wozniak.
Apple was literally founded and initially successful off Steve jobs monetizing Woz’s genius. It is not at all a stretch to claim Steve Jobs never innovated a thing.
In modern apple, of course they are far more likely to buy innovative technologies and fund development or copy competitors. Why would they spend money funding R&D when they can more cheaply buy out worthwhile concepts?
In every way except for starters their UI is absolutely dog shit
They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.
There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.
“Still limited to the same speed of the model using the lightning connector” did not have the same ring to it.
Did not know they finally moved to a usb3 chipset on the pro when I commented, good to hear.
I bet you also think it’s the year of the Linux desktop 🙄
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Angry shareholder noises
Shareholders can cope and seeth
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
Custom rom
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
Not Impossible https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
Ah, right. They have time until 2025 for replaceable batteries. They want to milk you until the last moment (not only Apple).
And then there’s the issue of security updates.
Imagine a world where we accept that things don’t have to be fantastically better than what came before, and we can find happiness in what we have.
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I guess we’re fucked, then.
I just upgraded to an iPhone 13. I only did that because the battery in my XR was dying and a new phone was $10 a month. Otherwise, I would have been fine keeping it indefinitely.
If I may ask: why not a FairPhone? Those are repairable so they seem like a good investment if you’re gonna spend iPhone level of money*.
*Tho I guess an older iPhone 13 is cheaper than a new FairPhone nowadays but idk by how much.
Because I can’t get one for $10 a month and I don’t want to repurchase the hundreds of dollars worth of apps I’ve already paid for.
My Pixel 2 XL that’s suffering begs to differ…
Eh. I mean, are there any great innovations left when it comes to smartphones? They kinda all just look and do the same nowadays.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
Functioning AI voice assist, foldable, better peripherals, better input systems, better data transfer between systems, more durable, better battery life, repairable, more sustainable, better UI, decentralised communication options, meshnet options, etc.
There’s plenty to do about smartphones that needs innovating…
They are always making Siri better (check out the news for it), I super do not want a foldable phone, the Apple peripherals are quite good, the data transfer between Apple systems is one of the main appeals of Apple, never broke an Apple product unless I chuck it at a wall, battery life is quite good I have a 4 year old phone that still has 24 hour battery life, Apple is committed to making not just their products but the entire company carbon neutral by 2030, Apple UI is also one of the main appeals since it’s so nice.
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better battery life
Really debatable, since apps battery consumption increases balances it out. It really feels like we have to upgrade just to keep up.
better UI
REALLY debatable. There’s some UI updates that I abhor. Several have reduced functionality.
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Apple is always doing all of that other than the fokdable, which has been turned for a long time.
AirDrop and AirPlay are always getting better between Apple products. They literally just made the iPhone titanium for better durability. It has better battery life pretty much every year.
This one is more repairable than ever with the easily removable glass.
Those are all things Apple announces every year and everyone shits on them because it’s not innovative enough, like every year needs to be 2011 again when phones were making massive leaps year over year.
Like oh, this chip is only 20% faster than the last one with only 10% better battery life. Yawn.
Last I checked they’re not very keen on repairability (Being able to remove glass and being able to fix everything are two different things) and sustaniability (and no making a phone more efficient/produce less ghg/etc does not mean caring about sustainability when your whole model is mass producing and selling new phones every year while encouraging customers to ditch their current functioning phones for the new one, sometimes by purposefully removing support for them or bricking them with updates)
are there any great innovations left
Honestly, this is such a weird take because, yes. Of course there are innovations left, you just cannot think of them yourself now because then they obviously would not be innovative but rather same old same old. Now the rate of new innovations probably did slow down a lot, I agree with that, so its harder to find something that is innovative in this space.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
I’ve commented this elsewhere in this thread:
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now USB-C”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
I dislike Apple, but I think it’s mostly vendors and reviewers that highlight the connector (both protocol and form), Apple isn’t doing it.
I am holding out for rollables! There still so many things that can be done. Satellite coms and holographic displays are my dreams.
Speaking of sat comms, imagine a cell device with a whole suite of radio tools for amateur operators and professional ones. Im waiting for the FTC to open up some fun bands for us to play with as they depopulate while consumers etc switch to the newer ones.
I think innovations in phones are going to go the other direction honestly. Bringing back shit like eink displays, batteries that last days, fuck it, am/fm… New consumer tech is outpacing the users needs. I see a touch of old standards making a comeback. Hell how old is USB-C?
Fuck it, but an antenna and TV tuner on there. Give Cathode Ray Dude something to enjoy.
What you’re describing is not innovation.
Neither is what Apple is doing and I guess thats my point. How much higher tech to people reasonably need or want in their pocket? Is innovation for its own sake really innovation? They are just remarketing existing tech as features without a demand.
If people could easily point to what the future innovations would be, they wouldn’t be innovations.
Pov: you dont understand what innovation mean.
Innovation is kind of their job
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.
The soc is super powerful, but iOS won’t even let you multitask anything. Can’t even download stuff in the background, or do anything in the background. You start a file upload? Too bad, app was killed as soon as you left it. While on android I can use ffmpeg for an hour in the background and it’s still running because I authorized it to run as long as it needs to run.
How would they sell you a mac or a iPad along the iPhone if they open The iPhone that much? We still live in capitalism sir.
Well they eventually pulled the plug on iPods…
Took them “only” 10 years to add mouse support for iPads, something that’s been used for decades.
So surely, give it 10 more years and then they’ll “revolutionize” using a bigger external display for iPhone (and not just screen mirroring) :D
They’ll do it, they just take their sweet time.
Seriously, I would buy an iPhone if it was not so locked down. I like a lot of things about them but I need my non app store compliant apps
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
I’m honestly a bit divided on this. Like yes, freedom is great, but the Apple app monopoly, for all its faults, does one good thing and it’s the fact that all the software is easily available in one place and I am not forced to install multiple app stores to search trough to find what I’m looking for. It turns out that while I like to tinker with personalized Linux installs on my computers, on my phone I just want it to work as quickly and easily as possible without having to figure things out.
I would like an easier way to compile your own app packages for the phone though.
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
Foldables are catching on, they’re growing absurdly fast.
Exactly, they grow like 200% in the second it takes to unfold them
(almost) fully agree. However, I think people are just waiting for the next “game changer” since it’s been quite long since the “smartphone” was launched… and as you say, foldables obviolsy didn’t fill that desire. Computers, on the other hand, has seen some quite big improvements lately. Mainly with small, energy efficient chips (like the m1, m2…) so there is hope for a not so stagnant market with only marginal gains.
I mean I’d agree but apple consistently jacks up the prices with every “new” release. I’m going to assume that the 15 is literally just the 14 with usb c.
I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro
It’s better for the environment anyway. Regardless of manufacturer. There’s also almost no need to get a new device every year. Marginal hardware upgrades mean very little to average consumer, it’s just a numbers race and most people don’t really take their devices to the edge of performance.
So stop buying them!
1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn’t know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.
100% this
It’s some idiots on Twitter being reposted by a trash tabloid. This site should be banned from here it’s garbage.
The iPhone is their cash cow. They need it to bring stable and sizeable income to fund things like vr goggles. I’m not saying the haters are wrong, just that their expectations for what Apple will innovate on the iPhone might be a little misplaced.
The iPhone is their cash cow
Isn’t the Apple ecosystem their cashcow? Get them hooked on one Apple device and “Look! Everything Just Works™” is kind of their shtick.
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now usb-c”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
The haters are looking for any surface to attack.
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
The last real innovation in phones was the first iPhone in 2007. Android was an evolution of what the iPhone started, not a revolution.
Yes, that’s why I’m still driving my model T Ford, because I’m waiting for the next big thing.
lol
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.
I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.
Android users welcome you to 2017…
Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
…or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so… good luck with that.
Isn’t the limit apply to non-pro devices only (which is still ridiculous btw)?
That is correct as the Pro devices have the A17 chip and the non pro are on the older A16 chip.
Wtf so the non pro are even worse than last year pro in every aspect?
And still 950€ for the base model …
Seems that it comes down to Apple adding a USB 3 controller in the A16 chip where the A15 did not have one embedded. They’d otherwise need to have an external controller to add support in the non-pro phones which is easier said than done when dealing with a phone. Annoying but understandable at least.
A17 and A16 respectively. You’re behind a year lol
Thanks - numbers are hard lol
Honestly I am fine with it. It looks like they did not have the usb3 controller built into the cpu until they made the 17 and m1 chips. To be honest, I am not going be moving any large files between the phone and a flash drive, at most a short video. The slower speeds will not bother me.
Pro models support up to 10 gigs per second which is a touch more than 2.0
e.g. “pay us to remove the artificial speed.”
No matter what the subject, the NY Post is not even good for toilet paper.
You don’t buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging rights of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features with a fraction of the price.
This is a take I would expect to see on Reddit, it’s simply not true. None of those devices run iOS either which is what a lot of people prefer. It’s okay to dislike something, you don’t need to insult the people that do.
There’s nothing overtly insulting here unless you consider implying ignorance an insult
There’s nothing ignorant about people who prefer iOS over Android. Yes, you’re being insulting in a chronically online way.
I didn’t write that I just observed how wrong you are
Seems like you care just as much as the people who do buy it for bragging rights.
Premium Android phones are just as expensive as iPhones and come with worse software quality and shorter support periods.
$Maybe in the us but elsewhere the apple prices are nuts. I bought new s23 for 800$. There is no fucking way I’d pay 1200$ for much worse iphone.
Agreed, the prices for Android are much better when non-US tariffs are involved.
Base iPhone is midrange device, not a flagship.
Except you can buy a pixel A series which will work just as well as the most expensive iPhone just slightly slower. I’m at about 3.5 years on a $350 pixel and still it’s the best phone I’ve owned. Yes I know you can buy cheaper iPhones too but aren’t they phasing that out? Like you now normally would have to buy a 1-2 year old model to get a price similar to that. My pixel was brand new and 4-5 months past release I think
The bugs on the PIxel 6 (returned after 2 weeks) and now with Android 12 on a Oneplus phone have me seriously thinking of buying an Iphone next time. Despite the fact I’d rather stay with Android, I’d make the switch and pay $300 more every three years for a phone that is relatively trouble free with decent support.
With 5 years of support too
corporate wants to know the difference between these two phone versions
“its the same phone”
“We put a bigger number on the box.”
We also changed the 14 to a 15
Congratulations, you have discovered car manufacturers too.
I would like to give apple credit for not rebranding USB Type-C and claiming they invented it.
Didn’t they actually participate in it’s invention…?
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they did, yes. something like half of the engineering team that developed USBC was provided by Apple.
Well, they actually participated in it’s invention, so it would be nice if the average lemmy user would educate themselves instead of just blindly repeating what Android fanboys are pulling out of their asses.
Ngl they kinda are right. The last time I saw a feature that made me consider them was maybe like 4-6 years ago. I still bloody love Ipods tho.
Did you forget about the groundbreaking feature of the removal of the audio jack?
And the micro SD card
And the SIM card tray
Honestly fuck Apple for that and starting that fucking stupid ass trend.
