No shit skip, of course they shouldn’t turn the ball over, or get red cards, or what the fuck ever. Passing gas in the bathroom and think it’s perfume; literally shitty analysis I just heard on ESPN.

Why don’t sports commentators actually break down plays and strategy?

Only one I can think of is jomboy breaks down pitches sometimes. Showed that the pitcher was releasing at the top of the throw for like 4 pitches of sliders then released like 20 degrees sidearm with another slider but because it was released differently it caught the batter and struck them out. Beautiful breakdown and I appreciated the sport and gamesmanship even more.

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    I’ve done sports announcing, and come from a journalism family where my dad taught radio broadcasting.

    Sports casting is hard. Like really, really hard. It is very easy to criticize the way someone does it, but it is incredibly difficult to fill hours of silence. I did live commentary for college wrestling, and I was a very knowledgeable high school wrestler, but frankly sometimes there just isn’t something exciting or even describable happening. Jockeying for control, positioning, or feeling out an opponent - sometimes the announcing is “they continue struggling!” Then you think of a sport that isn’t nonstop action like American football, or God forbid, baseball? Huge swaths of time where there is nothing to say. This is why professional sports casts on major networks have huge teams. They can pull up obscure stats that don’t really mean anything, instant replay analysis done nearly live, and a ton of graphics to keep things moving and exciting.

    Then you have the issue others have talked about, where your audience may have almost no knowledge of what to you is a deeply technical sport. So every time you explain a wrestling move, or defensive pass coverage, you have to assume no knowledge. You have to explain why someone is doing something, but luckily that actually fills up a bit more time because God forbid you have dead air on a broadcast, so of course you do it. And the type of deep analysis a knowledgeable fan might want is actually really hard to not only come up with live, but while watching something live without the benefit of watching a replay or a better camera angle.

    Anyway, my point is that you should try to do an entry level sports broadcasting exercise. Turn the sound off on a game, and try to cast it and record yourself. You will be absolutely shocked at how much silence there is, or how many asinine things you say. Even the “worst” broadcasters that you experience on any major network have such insanely deep knowledge and an ability to just keep spewing information and anecdotes out that I promise you would be so much more impressive if you heard an amateur, or better, tried to do it yourself.

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      Thoughtful response and insightful, thanks.

      If still feels like there’s a niche for a broadcast that does take on the challenge of difficult live analysis. Like there’s a chance for someone to deliver that content.

      I mentioned tony romo calling out reads in another comment. Give that guy a marker and a dry erase board overlay.

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      And the type of deep analysis a knowledgeable fan might want is actually really hard to not only come up with live, but while watching something live without the benefit of watching a replay or a better camera angle.

      At best, this kind of analysis is given a few minutes in between periods/quarters/halves/innings between commercial breaks and any other stories the network wants to cover.

      Even if the announcer gets a generous 25 minutes between when the play happened and when they get a 2 minute spot to talk about it, that’s a pretty tight deadline to get a video package together and come up with some talking points. There aren’t a lot of people who have both the knowledge of the sport and the skill to put it together in a way that everyone will understand.

      As an aside, there’s an installation at the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto that lets you try your hand at recapping a few games. It’s tough even with a script. The announcers are doing it live.

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    Because most viewers don’t want actual analysis, they just want meaningless drama. ESPN has more or less turned sports fandom into the real housewives for men imo.

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      It is really frustrating. I blame Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless. Kidding, but seriously. That style of commentary is absolute crap. Yelling is not an affective way to get your point across.

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      I’m really into hockey, and I feel the reddit sub is 99% hockey-themed soap opera content, like what players are getting divorced from their wives and such. It’s so boring to me. I just want to see highlights, trades, stats, etc. But it’s very clear that the sub wants to see this type of content, so I guess give the people what they want.

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    For the same reason there has never been a mainstream esports show.

    Announcers and the vast majority of commentators aren’t there to perform deep analysis. They are there to make sure the audience can follow along. You have a good understanding of whatever sport you are talking about. Not everyone watching does. And a lot of the less knowledgeable viewers are there as part of a party and might not be intently focusing, so repetition helps.

    That said, alternate commentary/streams/radio shows are increasingly popular if you want something more focused on you.

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    They get paid to talk - being good at it is just bonus points. So while, if they notice something in the strategy they’ll break it down, but if they don’t notice or can’t think of anything to say, they’ll just state the obvious to keep the commentary going. That’s one thing I appreciate about the Formula 1 announcers, one of them has racing experience so they constantly break down and analyse the strategy in real time, and very rarely add useless filler talk.

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    If you want analysis, you’re not going to find it on television. You’re more likely to find written analysis from experts, and occasionally some video breakdowns.

    As for American football, Brian Baldinger puts his breakdowns on the website formerly known as Twitter. JT O’Sullivan has a YouTube Series called QB School that is very informative. It’s out there, but you’ve gotta look for it.

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    I love when they start talking about non-sports topics and typically throw in a fake fact, misnomer, stereotypes, misconceptions.

    My favorite being “Oh, I heard airplanes cant take off when its too hot because the wheels will melt on the runway.”

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    the pitcher was releasing at the top of the throw for like 4 pitches of sliders then released like 20 degrees sidearm with another slider but because it was released differently it caught the batter and struck them out. Beautiful breakdown and I appreciated the sport and gamesmanship even more.

    The only people who want that are baseball fans. Hockey fans will put up with about 10% of that, football fans will put up with about 5% of it, and basketball fans won’t even listen in the first place. Sports fandom hasn’t grown as fast the population, and the people who do like sports don’t like them in the same way they traditionally used to. Sports coverage now has to be as surface-level as possible to retain an audience who will flip channels once you start talking about catch probability and wRC+, exacerbated by E!SPN aggressively marketing down to the lowest possible denominator and withholding coverage of sports they consider to be too complicated.

    tl;dr the dumb masses don’t want to listen to no book larnin from no city slicker

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      I think the fans do like actual in-depth analysis, it’s just no always possible real-time.

      Jomboy’s breakdowns are fantastic, but he’s not able to do that during a live broadcast.

      The NFL pioneered game analysis with John Madden and the telestrator, and that is used in all sports broadcasts now. For that, you need the camera work to see and record the action, the expertise to realize there is something to analyse, and the ability to analyse it, and you need the time to show the analysis in a break in play or during an intermission

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    Some do, but it is rare to find people who can be good on camera as well as on the field. These are usually former players or coaches who were put in front of a camera. Joe Madden is usually considered a decent example of this.

    However, in most cases, sports journalism is really more about finding the entertaining story behind the game to drum up interest. When you are trying to tell a story, parts of the game no longer matter.

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    Because, most sport is just bullshit rules that have been around long enough to seem not-weird.

    I mean think about it.