I hate that everything now is a subscription service instead of buying it and do whatever you want.

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    Other than the recent nonsense, this is why I cancelled Netflix and went back to pirating. Content leaves unexpectedly? Not on my Nas.

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      I’ve taken to de-DRMing any e-books I bought from Amazon for that reason.

      Also, the “You can only view this book on 3 devices” – yeah … fuck off.

      Calibre + DeDRM plugin + KFX plugin. Perfectly legal too, as long as you aren’t distributing them.

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      Content leaves unexpectedly? Not on my Nas.

      Except when I accidentally rm -rf the media folder but shhhhhhhh

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      Content leaving isn’t a problem. If they give up some things they have more money to get the rights to other content, and usually by the time it leaves I’ve either watched it or don’t want to. If it’s one of the rare things I want to watch several times, I can just buy it. But cracking down on password sharing is ridiculous. They’ve been functioning fine with people sharing passwords. I bet the current pricing accounts for password sharing. But now people in college can’t be on the family netflix? Pure greed.

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      Old school pirating or new school? Last time I remember pirates was like… Napster, Limewire, Kazaa… Then went to TPB before it got raided like 8 times… What’s the current? Is it still torrenting with proxies?

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    I just read an article the other day that said LG is about to start charging subscription fees for washing machines 🙄

    I will go old school and start washing my clothes against a rock in the river before I’ll pay a fucking subscription to use my own washing machine

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    Every time I think printers can’t get any worse, they get worse.

    What’s next? are they going to have to scan your anus to confirm that it’s actually you printing things? I shouldn’t give them ideas.

    By the way, I’m sure there’s a way to get into the firmware of the printer to disconnect it from that centralized service.

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      I love the fact that brother basically does no marketing as far as I know. They just end up shining like a diamond because they make a generally good product and everyone else around them makes absolute trash.

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        I only bought a brother printer because of recommendations from reddit. It’s so much better than my old hp inkjet that randomly started asking me to sign in in order to print or scan.

        Why tf would I need to sign in to my HP account online in order to print in my own fucking home.

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      Yep, totally. In the vile shit that printer business is, Brother seems to be the only brand to not be straight-up anti consumer. I have a Brother all-in-one machine at work, it works out of the box on all devices, scans with whatever app, doesn’t push some bullshit custom nagware every time you print and, best of all, ACCEPTS NONAME TONERS without saying a single word of complain. It doesn’t refuse to print, doesn’t even mention that you may get worse quality prints (yeah right). It just prints and we don’t have to think about it and I really appreciate it.

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      I shit you not I have a brother laser printer that I don’t even know how old it is. My dad pulled out of our basement and cleaned it up and got it running so I could use it in college back in 2009. Skip ahead to 2016 and I’m using it for the table cards at our wedding. It’s 2023 and I still use it from time to time. I’ve only changed the toner once and cleaned it a handful of times, but that sums up the entirety of the maintenance while I’ve had it. I have to plug it into my computer via USB which isn’t so bad. But they don’t have a driver available for OSX anymore so it’s now a PC only printer. I’ll keep using it until it stops working or isn’t compatible with any computer anymore.

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        Regarding the driver, I had the same problem with running my 2005 HP LaserJet 1020 on OSX, but got it running with a built-in driver for a printer in the same build group (LJ 1022, maybe?) so keep that in mind if you haven’t already tried it. I know your printer is Brother and not HP, but there may be a native Brother driver already in the OSX build you can use.

        You may lose some advanced driver functionality doing this but most printing doesn’t require it anyway. If it works you’ll be able to print just fine. You can also search your model number and see what Mac printer driver hacks others have come up with, since this was not an uncommon thing with Macs back when I had to do it a few years ago.

        But yeah, on the sad day my old HP LJ non-networked non-enshittified printer carks it, I’ll be getting a Brother. No way I give HP my business now.

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        They are but the pricing is ok, £2 a month for 50 pages. The higher end pricing seems to be around 3p per page which is what they price their toners at. They even allow you to rollover a decent amount of print credit. Now, if they had these printers in shops around the country and I could use the credit for those instead of just in my own home, I think it would be a really cool service. The local corner shop charges £2 to print a single sheet of A4 and then 50p per page after that.

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      No joke. I had HP and I knew Brother was painfree experience and when I was buying said HP, I completely forgot about them. Few years forward my old HP avoided destruction by sheer luck and my brother’s will to try and tame it. These days I have Brother laser printer and it takes whatever you throw at it without complaints. It’s so obedient am having issues accepting such behavior.

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      Yes, I have a b&w brother laser/scanner than is 6 to 7 years old and it goes on without any issues (except networking BS at times, but that is likely my problem)

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        A printing kiosk or photo shop. They will be so much better quality. If you buy an inkjet and only use it once or twice a month the heads get clogged and you waste loads of ink cleaning it.

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        What the other guy said. Unless you genuinely need high-quality color photos on a daily or weekly basis, you do not need an inkjet printer. Go to a print shop, get it done right and it’ll be much less headache – but the vast majority of the time I’ve needed something printed, it has been swathes of black text on white paper. And a plain B&W laser printer does that perfectly, with no bullshit. I just recommend Brother because they’re a decent company.

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      But people will think something is wrong when it just works and prints for years without needing any replacements

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      I’ve moved to Brother from HP. Disappointed by the support for Linux. While the driver exists, a lot of them aren’t packaged. HP does a better job at that.

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      What about Epson? Specifically I’m considering one of the ecotank ones because I need to print stuff for board games like info sheets and so on that need rich colours and designs. Might even look into A3+ printers.

      Are those useful? The per-page cost looks crazy low for an inkjet.

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      But never EVER buy a brother inkjet, its the same as all the other brands. You cannot insert bootleg ink anymore. My printer didnt accept any ink apart from the oem.

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      Got one of these years ago and it’s still kickin’

      I find myself being a printer snob by judging a friend of mine for buying into HPs ink subscription ecosystem.

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      Epson ink tank. Bought it second hand and downloaded the drivers directly from them. They always want you to buy ink, but thats expected.

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      HP can make good printers. It has the right hardware, capabilities and price (Of the printers, not the ink) to be a very good product. It’s just their obnoxiously asshole-design software that is designed to make you to keep paying for using a product you already own.

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        Kinda reminds me of Sony when it was managed by Engineers and Sony after the Engineers in CxO positions were replaced by MBAs back in the 90s after they Movie & Music side of the business gained the upper hand over the Consumer Electronics side.

        Sure, they could still design good products and manufacture them with high quality standards … and chose instead to make DRM-locked pieces of crap (designed with as top objective protect the IP of the Movie & Music business from all those “evil” consumer who might want to, say, listen to their music in more than one device without buying it once per device) using inferior parts than before and likelly to be manufactured in the same factory in China working for the same Taiwanese Manufacturing Outsourced as all the other crap products.

        Back in the 80s they were a byword for quality, nowadays they’re just another brand.

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      The driver support for Linux is just awful. I couldn’t get the Brother 7055W to work on Arch. It worked on Fedora though, but I don’t have that anymore.

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        I gave up also. The entire software experience is just shit and buggy as hell. Avoid.

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        I’ve had two Brother laser printers now, in both cases drivers were packaged as either .deb or .rpm.

        I’m currently running a Brother HL-L2395DW mono multifunction laser printer under KDE Neon, and both the scanner and printer work perfectly over the network.

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      I have this one. NEVER had an issue with it. It’s now years that I use it with 3rd party cartridges without problems.

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    What the fuck is wrong with people? It’s been common knowledge that hp is trash for decades now. The whole idea of capitalism is that the bad products fail when customers go to the competitors who do a better job, but hp is not a monopoly and there are better competitors that exist, but people keep in buying HP because frankly, they are too fucking stupid. Capitalism is a lie because consumers are too stupid to pick the best products.

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      The average person is not invested into printers and just needs a printer to occasionally print something. It’s not something they know a lot about and in the store they see a cheap printer from a well known brand that gave them good experiences with other products. It makes total sense for them to buy it. I’m sure they will know what products/brands to avoid in other areas that are unknown to you.

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        To add to yours, when the person who isn’t up on printers goes to a store like walmart that has 4 different HP models on the shelf ranging from $40 to $90, one cannon for $80, and one brother for $120, they will be much more apt to get the HP because they just don’t know.

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      The simplest proof that the Homo Economicus human model used in the mathematical models that justify Free Market Theory is complete total bollocks is that the Marketing that has no mention of the qualities of the product whatsoever, actually works (perfumes and cars are prime examples but there are tons of examples for consumer tech also).

      That and some people from Behavioural Economics (the only part of that domain which is actually scientific) have shown with various experiments that there are lots of ways in which people are not rational in their economic decisions, hence not at all the “pure personal upside maximizer” which is the Homo Economicus model.

      People sticking to a well-known name such as HP is probably down to the effect of familiarity (at times known as “name recognition”) - maybe one of the biggest irrationalities in human economic behaviour and one of the pathways most commonly exploited by marketing.

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        And for example, the products that sell the most on amazon are not the best products, they’re the ones that give amazon the biggest advertising budget.

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      My hp laptop works fine, but yeah hp printers are terrible. They are very slow to print, and the ink was quite expensive.

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        I don’t have any experience with their laptops, but they pissed me off so much with their printers that I’ve written off their entire brand. Even if their other stuff is really good, I’m fine with writing them off entirely just out of spite.

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          Honestly the laptops are pretty good in my opinion. My HP pavillion laptop had space to upgrade RAM, install new hard drives and plenty of ports. But I still agree with you that the printers are complete rubbish.

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      Most people just buy a printer, they’re not doing research on the subject. And if they’re not using computers day to day, or for work, they’re even less likely to know what shit hp is up to.

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      There was a time when Hewlet Packard products were the best, them it became HP and…

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      If you only print something once every couple of months I only need a cheap printer and dont care if the ink is a bit more expensice since I never use it. Though I admit my blood pressure always rises trying to get the thing to work

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        I bought a brother laser printer and have had no issues with it, and I’m still using the original toner years and hundreds of pages later. They’re more expensive up front but they’re not that much more expensive. The entry level brother laser printer is only ~$100, and compared to HP, by the time you buy 2 ink cartridges you’ll have lost any savings you made on the printer itself. It is absolutely not cheaper to buy HP. If I’d have done that I’d have spent more on HP ink alone by now than the entire brother printer which I haven’t had to replace the toner for even though the one it’s sold with isn’t totally full.

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    HP printers are now pure scamming dog shit. The HP printer division must have been taken over by criminals.

    The first laser printer I worked with was a HP 4L and it was fantastic. So fantastic, that we implemented it company wide, and they were close to immortal. The last of them got killed off when we got follow-me print.

    If you want a decent laser printer today, stay clear of HP and get a Brother instead.

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      Five years ago people were saying the opposite. My old Brother printer broke after 2 ink refills. I’ve had an HP for 2 years now and I’ve never had an issue with it. I was genuinely surprised people were trashing HP lately.

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    I’ve been saying for about 15 years now – you’d have to be a masochist to buy HP printers. Why do people keep enabling these shits? You just encourage them to be even worse. Don’t stand for even a little of their bullshit and they will change or die. You make a noose for your own neck.

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      HP have been on my shitlist for so long. Everyone needs to have a shitlist. Anti consumer behaviour should never be forgotten.

      On a side note, Vodafone are also on my shitlist. I did give them a reprieve once only to be reminded of why they were on my shitlist.

      People, get your shit together.

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      This is true if everybody do it, otherwise nothing will change. As we know there are too many people on the planet and too many idiots among them that will buy these products and so company can’t get away with everything nowadays. Look at Facebook, Twitter, reddit, hp. In my country there’s a huge food company that put fucking poison in baby formulas, and killed some of them (and others with lifetime growth issues) and guess what? People stopped buying from them for 2 years, they pulled through and now they are one of the top companies.

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      People are still buying HP printers because there are no alternatives. In my experience Epson is the worst. The are all the same, and we have no alternative other than letting them fuck with us. And they know it.

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        Brother has been amazing. Good products, manufacturer support for all operating systems, no subscription bullshit.

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        No, I think that’s blatantly wrong.

        Idk if Brother is the best no-bullshit alternative, but it’s definitely supposed to be a no-bullshit alternative.

        Even if we had no other alternative, we could crowd-fund one.

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          I bought a expensive Ecotank because I loved the Idea of not having cartridges. To fill the tanks you still need cartridges though, so you still have the waste. No Eco in sight.

          The paper in- and outlets were very narrow, what made refilling paper a hassle.

          The software was very clunky, some cleaning programs did not work. After a year the prints became quite poor.

          Another year later this print heads were clogged, no matter how much alcohol we poured on it. I threw the whole thing away. Never again.

          The HP I hade a couple years ago was much better.

          I am not saying this company is better than the other, I am convinced they are all the same. Some products are better, some are worse.

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        I’ve never used on owned an Epson but I’ve been hearing wonders about the EcoTank line.

        Affordable, lasting, dirt cheap ink, user replaceable printing heads, also cheap, and linux friendly.

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            Are we talking about the machines that have literal pull out trays for ink, that comes in very large bottles, or an earlier model?

            Because the EcoTanks I’ve been told about have those features.

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      Funny thing is, I know all of this and their bad behavior. I needed a new printer, ordered it but they didn’t have it in stock so they asked me to change my order and offered HP with extra toner and all that. Half asleep I didn’t even think twice. It was good price, extra toner.

      From day one, nothing but problems until I broke the spell last year and got a Brother printer. Night and day in terms of quality and obedience.

      I assume that’s the case with many people. Cheap printer available right now or some local deals make it even better looking. Someone who doesn’t know better like mom or pop buys it and there it is, pain. Then they realize what they have done and perhaps sell the damn thing, so pain jumps on someone else who just needed a cheap printer.

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      I’ve bought HP a few times, because the new printer was about the same price as buying new ink cartridges. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just being real. And I’m not proud

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    Printer company are one of the biggest legalized scammer we currently have. Out water and some ink they make huge amount of Profit.

    They are the Definition of making Gold out of shit.

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    Third voice for a Brother. I used to work an office supply store and they were by far the most reliable printers we sold.

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      I can speak for their terrible cheapness, I work at a repair shop and we got a lot of HP laptops. It’s extremely common for the very stiff hinge just to snap the upper case because they didn’t even try to reinforce it. Just 3 screws to hold down this half an inch long hinge and that’s it, you can see it flexing and twisting when using it.

      I swear all those HPs and frankly a lot of dells have the build of wet newspaper, I wouldn’t touch them (minus HP elite books, my 8770w is great).

      On another note Lenovos and Thinkpads are always very sturdy and are very good.

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      Snagged an 840 G6 for a little more than 100 and it’s working fine. Had the company send me a new touchpad and there hasn’t been an issue since

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    So they have all these printers connected to their servers I guess. Nice. Not a security risk at all.

    Best printer I’ve owned has been Brother. But hp is always at the top of reviews, because hp pays them off I guess.

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    Homeowner-targeted inkjet printers are evil, especially from HP. NEVER buy one that works a subscription into the purchase. They are garbage, and can disable your cartridges if you cancel your subscription.

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      HP is a horrible company. They make things up just to make life difficult for consumers. Everyone should boycott them I make sure none of the hardware the company I work for is HP as well.

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        Giving HP money. Protection money. Because you know, it’d be a shame if for some unfortunate and unrelated reason you couldn’t print on your printer anymore. Accidents just happen. Every day.

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        Ink cartridges. Instead of paying up front, they send you cartridges for ‘free’ and automatically dispatch replacements whenever they get low (or if you have a problem like they get so gummed up the head clean can’t fix them) If you don’t want the subscription, you have to buy your own carts retail, then it’s just like a ‘traditional’ printer.

        The sub itself isn’t (in my opinion) scummy just a value proposition. What is a bit scummy is that the carts that come with the printer are yours, but you can enroll them in the sub service. You can do that the day you buy it or right before they run out. In theory they’re supposed to revert to ‘owned’ if the sub is cancelled, but I’ve heard there can be hoops to jump through. The carts that come with the printer are tiny compared to either retail or rental so won’t last long either way.

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        It looks like this subscription may be for their “smart” printers. So the subscription would be for the connection to phone service. Why you’d need a smart printer is beyond me but they apparently think there is a market for it.