Poindexter… not hard slang to get correct. Dumbasses.
Giga 🤓
Fuck of Pondexter
Ship no go. Can you make it go?
So they just deny space exploration. Easy.
Fossils, also fake
Flat earthers and moon landing deniers have entered the chat…
While using a smartphone with nano chips and GPS, based on satellites and Einstein’s General Relativity.
I recently had some guy rattle off 10 stupid reasons why we never landed on the moon in a row. I have never heard a more clear example of the fallacy of verbosity. One of them was "We didn’t have automatic windshield wipers for cars in the 60’s so there is no way we had the technology to go to the moon. "
I swear to god his reasons were that stupid and he had a ton of them.
The Saturn V moon rocket first flew in 1967, first carried a crew in 1968 and flew the first moon landing in 1969.
Bernard Sadow patented the first suitcase with wheels in 1972.
That sounds like some pure uncut Dunning-Kruger there!
You’re assuming these people believe we even send things to space. I had a serious ass conversation recently with my father’s roommate. Typical conspiracy theorist ding dong. Full on flat earther and everything. I asked him how he thinks GPS works if the earth was flat. He admitted he didn’t know but then when I started to explain how it works by pinging satellites we put up in space he cut me off and said space isn’t real. Like legitimately thinks space isn’t real. He on a separate occasion also complained that we didn’t need to wear masks during covid because we apparently make our own viruses in our bodies and viruses don’t spread between people.
These people don’t even understand how logic works. Let alone that people could be smarter than they are.
Well, if you reject all knowledge you cannot obtain through direct observation, you can kinda start to understand how they ended up where they are.
They’re intimidated by the scientific method.
Many of them are religious and believe plenty of things they didn’t directly observe. It’s more that they have been trained through religious thinking that if someone confidently claims something it must be more true than someone who honestly admits that “it is the best we can know right now and we will update our understanding as we obtain more evidence.” These people need the answer now and that answer can’t change because changing your opinion based on new evidence is seen as weakness and opinions should be handed down from on high and never change.
There’s always been crazy and stupid people. And then we gave them the internet to connect and to have a voice. Now they feed of each other’s crazynies and believe they run the world.
Only way to fight this is education. Give people the ability to see through crazy. You’re not born with common sense. It’s taught and learned.
Not a solution but it is fun to put a flat-earther with a hollow-earther and say Earth is a ball. Then you grab some popcorn.
Tbh, it’s really your fault for choosing to interact with this person more than once.
yeah, god forbid you try to break down the echo chamber existing between parties for the benefit of public good.
Fuck you, be a good robot for the party and STICK ONLY WITH THE PEOPLE I DEMAND YOU TO STAY WITH.
We should just start jettisoning these people into space
Well it doesnt help that studies post covid restrictions found many of said restrictions where ineffective. Masks tho we have good evidance they work at least.
Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick. We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.
We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.
This flies in the face of North American “exceptional/radical individualism”.
Asian societies are largely collective. You do what you can to serve others, putting the needs of the community ahead of your own, and this leads to tighter-knit, stronger, and more resilient communities.
North American society is based on “muh rights” individualism, where the person is most important, and society needs to serve their needs, and not the other way around. This leads to weak, ephemeral, almost non-existent communities that are there only in name, or by a fluke of geography that makes completely random people cluster together without ever making serious or deep social connections.
Of the two, the former might end up being stifling to creatives and neuroatypicals, but the latter cannot survive any significant challenge without a significantly negative impact on the “community”.
The 2 party political system flies in the face of basic individualism.
Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick.
This was 100% not the messaging that was told to the public in the beginning.
I think they dumb down messaging too much. But then again, with what we know now, it’s not like the public is behaving responsibly. But thats not a messaging problem.
They still do reduce transmission to yourself but yeah, the big win is in not spreading it yourself.
My favorite metaphor for the subject: If you’re wearing pants, it’s really hard to piss on other people.
As always, it’s better to recommend more strict restrictions when you don’t know if they’re effective and there’s an impact on public health. Hindsight is 20/20
If you’re going to lock the country down then you need to support small businesses too. Imagine spending long nights building a business only to see it disappear under COVID restrictions. And then you learn that the restrictions weren’t necessary.
I don’t know about other countries, but the on and off lockdowns in some countries proved to be ineffective. Many experts said it’s better to do lockdown in one go than it being staggered and having different levels of restrictions. But on the one hand, the totalitarian zero-COVID restriction like had happened in China is just as ineffictive.
Yep, the lockdown waves probably weren’t ideal for preventing viral spread, but we now know they were at least better than doing nothing.
Hopefully we learn for next time
white hoods covering the whole head are ruined too
Yet everyone still got it. Hmm.
You know the important thing was to slow the spread right? So that not everyone has it at the same time completely overcrowding hospitals. Which still happened in some areas due to idiots
I think it would have been healthier for society to get it over with asap. We are still dealing with the fallout of shutting half of society down.
Except not. Hmm.
Yeah sorry, only a measly 90% or so. Lol
Just a dumbass anti-masker. I didn’t see their response to me, maybe it was a bit too spicy lol
I only said that about 90% of people got COVID. Or something to that effect.
Wear a mask, get your shots, it doesn’t matter to me. From my observations it just didn’t seem to matter much, almost everyone ends up getting COVID eventually.
I really have no idea why this discussion was shut down Reddit style. I’m not advocating for anything.
It is weird that they just deleted it. All I got in my messages was that my comment was removed because “nuke.” Not sure what that’s supposed to mean…
Sorry for calling you a dumbass. You seen reasonable
It’s the Internet, everyone is a dumbass before a real conversation is had ;)
Reddit type mod action minus the outright ban as the cherry on top.
Sheeple stop wearing masks and social distancing because they believe it doesn’t work. Sheeple get sick. Sheeple: “See! I told you!”
It probably didn’t help that at the beginning they said the cloth didn’t help, then changed the messaging later on.
IIRC, that initial “don’t use surgical masks” statement was because hospitals were already facing shortages, and a rush on the supply would have caused massive widespread longstanding shortages. Basically, the hospitals needed disposable masks, so the CDC told people not to use disposable masks.
But it was also in that brief time period between surgical masks and reusable cloth masks. So the messaging was basically just “don’t use
disposablemasks” because the “disposable” part was implied because it’s all that was commonly available on the market. Plus cloth masks hadn’t been studied yet. So when cloth masks were proven to work and the CDC started recommending them, the naysayers fell back to that initial messaging from when the cloth masks were unavailable and unproven.Just because there was an explanation doesn’t magically make it acceptable to lie out your ass and give a HUGE boost to conspiracy nuts while one fucking helms the white house…
that initial “don’t use surgical masks” statement was because hospitals were already facing shortages, and a rush on the supply would have caused massive widespread longstanding shortages. Basically, the hospitals needed disposable masks, so the CDC told people not to use disposable masks.
That makes it worse that they said/implied masks won’t protect you, not better. If CDC public health statements are driven by an intention to manipulate public behavior rather than disseminating the best available info about what is true, that means that those statements are unreliable and can’t be trusted, regardless of the good they are hoping to do by trading their long term credibility for temporarily adjusting purchasing habits.
The messaging could have been clearer but I’ll spell it out for the dumb.
Phase 1:
Don’t panic buy medical supplies expecting them to protect you. We don’t have enough, and frontline healthcare workers need them to protect themselves and others, you don’t know how to wear them and they probably don’t fit you properly.
Phase 2:
We still don’t really have enough medical grade masks but just fyi: any sort of mouth covering will reduce the risk of a contagious person sneezing into the mouth of a vulnerable person. If you have to go out, please wear something over your face. Cotton is better than nothing.
Phase 3:
A tight fitting mask really is best, it limits a contagious person’s generation of aerosolized clouds of viruses, and limits a vulnerable person’s exposure to clouds of aerosolized viruses.
The problem with messages 1 and 2 is that too many people will not give a shit about other people, and will also assume they can put a mask on correctly. If your goal is to prevent panic buying and hoarding long enough to build an adequate stockpile for medical workers, you probably want to avoid anything that makes those supplies sound superior and valuable.
If I were crafting such a message, I’d say something like this:
"At this time we aren’t recommending the use of disposable masks by the general public. For now, those who will be wearing a mask should wear one that’s made of tight knit, layered cloth, with a fit that fully encloses the nose and mouth. Cloth masks can be cleaned and reused, and will be easier for most people to wear properly, especially when worn for extended periods of time.
These guidelines reflect our current understanding and will be updated as we learn more."
The way I recall it seeing thing unfold and not really following the political stuff at the time:
CDC said that cloth masks don’t stop viruses. You need a medical mask for that, but please don’t use those because hospitals need them. That was all true.
In other countries, notably South Korea, almost everyone wore masks, and the numbers showed their effectiveness.
So CDC realized that indeed, if everyone wears one, it greatly reduces transmission of the virus. It doesn’t have to be perfect to be efficient.
And yet social distancing was “obvious” because scientists said it u til they admitted they pretty much just made that distance up.
That’s why there’s an Appeal from Authority fallacy… But you just keep on trusting what ever they say with out questioning it.
99% of medicine is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
Social distancing was an easy way to make it less likely to spread based on similar viruses. Until they had more verifiable ways it was a quick and cheap answer to a complex problem. Sometimes those are necessary, especially when millions of lives are on the line.
No, no that is not medicine.
Go take a biochem class and educate yourself on how fucking stupid that comment sounded. You’re basically saying modern chemisty is equivalent to ancient alchemy, which … is hilariously moronic.
It’s not all of medical science, no. We know a great deal. But that only pertains to general study, and not specific cases. We don’t know shit about someone, medically, until we do tests. Even then, we can’t do an in-depth dissection of them (because that would be wildly inhumane) so we can mostly only go off surface level information. Even for more in-depth information, say with x-rays and MRIs or blood tests, it still only general knowledge. Each person is unique, and has unique characteristics. So we need to take what information we have and try and match it to previous cases to determine what it could be.
Sometimes it’s really easy. “You have a cold, go drink some water and get some rest”. Sometimes it’s not, they have some obscure neurological disorder that only affects .0000001% of the population (at a guess).
A CT scan and blood draw on an individual is absolutely not in any way, “still only general knowledge.”
The fact you even say such a thing belies your utter lack of understanding of medical diagnosis.
You do realize that social distancing does have a body of work around it and was used to mitigate the 1918 pandemic…
Of course they don’t. This is the person the meme is about that you’re taking to.
So you don’t think masks work?
They “made up” the arbitrary distance of 6 feet, not the entire concept of distance making it harder for germs to spread… What the hell failure of logic is that?! Some viruses can stay potent in air much better than others and they weren’t CONFIDANT that 6 feet would be adequate or overkill. It was an educated guess for COVID specifically, not an ass pulling.
It wasnt an educated guess it was just around 2 meters and felt good. I am not saying worked or not, but there was no science behind the number.
There is a vast difference between doing something that is proven to be generally helpful before you know if it is specifically helpful, and making up an idea.
The fact you cannot understand that vast gulf of difference is frankly hilarious.
They had no idea if it would work or not and had no reason to believe either way. Do you believe in checking hypothesis?
Do you think they didn’t or don’t continue with the new variants as budgets allow? Your ignorance is made more pathetic by your obstinance.
“no science behind the number.”
i uhm. Are you aware of this thing, a very little, minor thing, called dispersion? Dilution? etc…
Yes, but that number was not related to what might work or not , it was just a number they liked based on no science.
It’s “appeal TO authority.
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People act like their mamas never told 'em to cover their damned mouths when they cough or sneeze. It’s the same damned thing, only masks work much better at keeping your filthy germs from infecting other people.
Common sense ain’t common, they say, and this anti-mask nonsense is just proof that it’s true.
But don’t you know? Having symptoms like “drier mouth,” “fogged glasses,” and “smelling your own breath” are much more dangerous than a virus that killed a million Americans at least.
What it really tells me it that the mouth breathers are crazier than we gave them credit for.
People act like their mamas never told 'em to cover their damned mouths when they cough or sneeze
Nor to wash their hands before eating (or even after going to the toilet.)
Or lick their hands when handling money
You learn that most people are disgusting the first time you use a crowded public bathroom.
I tried explaining universal precautions to a pastor of a church I was attending, and pointed out that there is a Christian commandment to love one’s neighbor that overrides one’s personal desires. He could not dispute my points, but he also didn’t do anything to implement safety procedures.
Guess who left the church after the unsurprising COVID outbreak?
I realize a lot of people here aren’t believers, but my point is that even within the context of religion or common wisdom, masks make sense.
There’s been a lot of talk lately about how decades of lead in gasoline, pipes, and in other places likely damaged generations of people’s ability to reason. I’m sincerely beginning to think this is a bigger problem than we’ll ever truly know.
I am reasonably sure that a fair many conservatives feel that they are entitled to their biases and fallacies and the world must bend to these biases.
Behold: what religion does to a person’s mind.
It’s deeper than that, they literally believe they can change objective reality by believing hard enough.
That’s why they excuse all of their bad acts, if they ignore it, it doesn’t exist to them.
Negative object permanence.
Too bad they can’t make tulpas with that power
You can, and they’re useful, and tulpa is a stupid fucking name. There I said it.
The only thing about them is that they are really only useful for organizing parts of yourself that you are not consciously aware of. You can’t manifest a slenderman IRL but you can make a mind palace and vastly improve your memory, or go on spirit journeys and learn how to forgive.
It’s all in your head but that doesn’t make it any less real.
Currency and democracy are ideas made manifest, and all they are is shared ideas in our heads.
What’s the point of using my mind to create something internal? It would be better if I could just twist reality with a thought. Smh.
It’s complicated and if I fully explain it to you, it won’t work as well for you.
Google ‘mind palace’ and start playing with the practice. It’s really just a fun imagination game that can actually improve your memory drastically.
I’ll just look for a chaos magic grimoire at this point
I think you are right. I believe it is somehow related their obsessive belief in their religion.
I am not saying that all religious people are bad. But, somehow, these people excuse their bad behaviour by quoting scriptures. There has to a correlation too.
No, their religion is a paper thin pretext. They don’t actually do anything the Bible says to do, and they do a FUCKTONNE of what the Bible explicitly prohibits.
And I’m so tired as a progressive Christian of these cuntservative evangelicals convincing all of the internet that any theist is a mouth foaming bigot.
The reality is that you can easily get infected through a mask, but the viral load is much lower
Also if all the people around you are wearing masks in addition to yourself, then it’s way way lower
I tried explaining this to a friend who was convinced masks do nothing. He would say stuff like “if it can still get through then what’s the point”. He claimed only people at risk should wear them.
you should make him eat poop
since he consumes a non-zero amount of fecal bacteria just like everyone else
not eating poop does nothingif you can still die while wearing a seatbelt what’s the point
For some reason anti-maskers think that getting shot once and getting shot 276,000,000 times are equally bad
Aha, but if every bullet is a killer bullet then it is exactly the same.
Checkmate atheists.
as the meme states actually, the point of masks isn’t really to protect yourself, that’s a marginal side benefit, the point is to protect everyone else from your pestilence ridden breath of death.
watching videos that show how particulate from your breath spreads with and without just literally anything in front of your mouth is disgusting, unblocked your breath carries spittle several METERS in front of you, like the world’s most disgusting sprinkler put sideways.
Best interaction with an antimasker:
Them: masks don’t work
Me: We’ll I’m going to wear one anyway
Them: Well then you’re just traping the germs against your face
Me: so you’re saying they block germs?
They even stated the correct reason to wear a mask: to trap the germs against my face, so others don’t get infected
It’s like they don’t compute the idea behind it, it stops at me me me
Someone once told me that the box in which masks came in says “doesn’t protect from viruses”, as if it was hidden-in-plain-sight proof that masks don’t work.
Yeah, they don’t protect the user from viruses, they protect other people. The box is technically correct, Patricia, there is no conspiracy here.
… Which masks? N95 will totally filter viruses, no?
They will, but you have to follow some protocols, like not having beard where the masks is supposed to seal around your face, not using it more than ~3 times (iirc), not trying to clean it (just let it rest for some days on a clean surface) and etc.
Basically always seal testing.
Also, iirc the N stands for not oil resistant, so any oil staining ruins it. I’d guess that includes sneezing on it.
Not to mention skin is chock full of oils
It is humorous that these people think that they have some secret knowledge that only they know and they feel so much power because of it. Except that the information they know is incorrect and they just end up looking like an idiot.
Not in their own minds, and that is all that matters. Also not to their church members, sadly:-(.
Perception is reality and they cannot perceive a reality in which they aren’t always correct.
I mean, I would not say that it is reality, just that they act like it is - except even that much is not true, b/c when they get REALLY sick, they finally show up at a hospital begging to be saved. So even they know, deep down, where the medicine is at. Cognitive dissonance is a horrific, terrible thing:-(.
Or, more likely, they’re selfish jerks who don’t care about anyone else. “The greater good? What’s that?”
I think they actually do understand but don’t have enough empathy with other people to see it as their responsibility to protect other people from their viruses.
Not that someone as perfect as them would ever sick enough to potentially infect others…
This. So much of this. I can’t even convince family members to not go and socialize with dozens of others while they are sick! Five years ago, I would have bet my life’s savings and every appendage I have that I would get the correct answer if I asked someone whether illnesses spread through contact with or being near a sick person.
My favorite reply to them is that it’s America and I can do whatever I want, I’ll call them snowflakes too whenever appropriate. They get pissed when you insinuate they’re anti American lul.
John Stewart’s latest show did a great job pointing this out. “Pro-constitution” redco- hats supporting a dictatorship and ignoring the fundamentals of the constitution.
i’ve just recently seen the same with pro 2a people. It was on a video about inclusive gun safety training, because the 2a is quite literally, for everyone. SO many people in the comments were saying something along the lines of “well if we trained them, then they might kill us”
Yeah no shit. What do you think they thought of you prior to this moment huh? Just utter fucking ignorance for anything more than a mere shred of intellectual thought being put into whatever they say. Not to mention that this is borderline authoritarian policy by nature but that’s the other funny part.
Didn’t gun control ramp up when the Black Panthers started exercising their rights to bear arms? Funny thing is the Panthers seem much more like a “well-regulated militia” than this Wild West, permitless carry, anything goes BS.
exactly. gun control only started when minorities started exercising their right to bear arms. The right don’t want gun control laws until the groups they are trying to oppress start exercising their second amendment rights.
i mean, that’s also perfectly legal under 2A, 90% of the time gun control is related to regulation in regards to owning, rather than the ability to the own it period. Which is another argument all together tbh.
I wouldnt know much about the specifics of that group though, only that it has to do with civil rights from memory lol.
Well, it’s only fair, seeing as they ARE anti-American.
Claims are not evaluated, in the loyalist worldview. They’re not arguments. They’re slogans. You shuffle your cards and say whatever might justify the ingroup being fundamentally superior to the outgroup. Because of course, it is impossible for someone to simply be wrong. That would require evaluating claims. No: truth is dictated by people above you. They must be right and smart and handsome, or they wouldn’t be above you. Any challenge, any criticism, any disagreement, is a personal attack. You are calling someone lesser.
And I say “you” because these people think this is all we’re doing. They think that’s all there is. It’s reality as a team sport.
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My favorite interactions was going into Walmart.
It was mid/early spring, right as things were starting to lockdown. I wasn’t wearing a jacket cuz it was glorious out.
Some old boomer lady started harassing me over not wearing a jacket and blah blah blah.
She wouldn’t shut up, and was blocking me from walking in, so I faked a sneeze. The look of horror on her face as she fled.
(And I’m pretty sure that was also the fastest time in and out of a Walmart…)
Why did she have a problem with you not wearing a jacket? What am I missing here?
it was in the 40’s f (4-10 c) and it was still winter. Spring in MN, that’s T-shirt weather. but boomer’s just can’t not treat middle-aged men like children.
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Please stop you’re going to break them! 😂
While it is fun to tweak their titties with this, it will make zero difference on their position because their position wasn’t arrived at by rational thought.
Their actual position is that they don’t give a fuck about anyone other than themself. Everything they claim to believe is just a rationalization they think will sound good to someone else. All they care about is what they can convince others.
While there is some nuance between people, you pretty spot on.
Weaponized magical thinking.
