That is embarrassingly low.
Sub 20% turn out for under 30’s in TX is more embarrassing.
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It’s terrifying if you consider the norm. Trump has something like 70+ felony counts, arguably the worst orator in history, and a verified rapist.
He’s still getting around 35-40% support consistently.
It’s fucking terrifying how good the Fox propaganda machine is.
Some people process loss or being lied to in different ways. And some people take time to process that loss more than others.
Denial: The election was stolen!
Anger: We have to storm the capital!
Bargaining: We were just trying to protect our democracy.
Depression: Biden is just as bad. <----- Most people are here.
Acceptance: Trump committed election fraud and is going to prison for itThough I think many MAGA folk will be stuck on depression for quite some time.
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Give them time. They can still make their way around to
“See? I always said he was a crook.”
That’s actually the first time I’ve heard anybody express it like that. Very interesting and somewhat hopeful.
When you consume talk radio, Facebook, and Fox News, it understandable that you would think he is the greatest President ever. He’s not, he was the worst President ever.
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If Biden had 70 felonies would you vote for him or Trump?
I agree with you. Virtually everything l, even random totally trivial matters of taste/opinion come out 50/50 these days. The country is deeply polarized. For anything to come out with a 2:1 margin is a landslide. Trump is a huge loser. I just hope he stays in the race long enough to sink the Republicants.
You’re saying that about a population that literally voted this guy into office just a few years ago.
If people haven’t realized how dumb our society is after that, there’s not much hope.
Well, but it’s progress, right?
The guy attempted a coup. He should be on trial for his life right now… and still 30+% of Americans might support him.
it’s 30% if you only read the title, at the end of the article it says:
Two other polls released this week show President Joe Biden and Trump competitive in a 2024 matchup, with Biden edging Trump by just a point in surveys from Marist and Quinnipiac.
unless you check how they conducted the poll, you don’t know if either one is correct.
was it made in an university campus or at the exit of an NRA convention? those will give you wildly different results.
That is consistent with pretty much every other poll out there for the last year. The indictments have not moved the dial.
The two claims are not in conflict. Election polls account for propensity to vote.
The 36% will turn out to vote. It will be an uphill struggle for the Dems to get turnout high enough to defeat them.
But the non-fash media will smugly proclaim him defeated anyway, helping to depress turnout enough that he wins. Again.
Dangerous times.
For anyone wondering here are the two polls:
https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/trumps-indictments-2024/
Data for it: https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_202308151349.pdf
“This survey of 1,220 adults was conducted August 11th through August 14th, 2023 by the Marist Poll. Adults 18 years of age and older residing in the United States were contacted through a multi-mode design: By phone using live interviewers, by text, or online”
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us08162023_usos65.pdf
“Surveys adhere to industry best practices and are based on random samples of adults using random digit dialing with live interviewers calling landlines and cell phones.”
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it-took-a-long-time-for-republicans-to-abandon-nixon/
When the House of Representatives voted in February 1974 to give the House Judiciary Committee subpoena power to investigate Nixon, it did not have the weight of public opinion behind it. According to a poll conducted by Gallup just days before the vote, only 38 percent of Americans were in favor of impeachment. And although a solid majority of Americans did eventually come to support impeachment, that moment didn’t arrive until quite late in the game.Nice quote.
I really like how well this puts things in perspective.
I guess that’s a good thing, but that % should be way higher for someone that committed treason, among numerous other crimes (as well as being just a terrible person in general.)
This is superb. Wonderful.
I always knew Obama was a crook /s
Something like 1/3 of the country is so deeply republican as to be a total loss. This % is pretty fucking solid.
There’s a Mitt Romney 37% joke in there somewhere
But yeah. It’s a terrible truth
But he’s hurting the right people!
Other way to read this headline:
36% of Americans are equal parts moronic and clinically insane
74 million people voted for him in 2020…which is about 22% of the population of the US in 2020. Now 36% would support him. I realize the two numbers aren’t directly comparable because only 67% of the people who could vote in 2020 did (and that was the highest it has been since 1980), but it’s still not a great feeling.
Fucking psychopaths
I feel like ~1 in 3 people being selfish assholes kind of checks out, though. It’s a trend I really noticed during Covid.
At this point I think 36% of Americans are just trolling
no worries mate, luckily the US election system does not have a flaw in it that technically allows 23% of voters to decide the presidency
Let’s hope the day never comes, but I’m genuinely curious what would happen if that massive imbalance type of scenario occurred.
I think the Napomovoco whatever it’s called will be completed before that would happen.
Of course then the US is still stuck in a 2 party system and that shit will need to be fixed.
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Having an election system where the majority of the votes doesn’t win is blatantly undemocratic and downright insane. As evidenced by the last two times that happened in the US.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there are absolutely that mouth breathers in the US. A few months ago I drove by a fucking Trump rally that is held weekly out in some rural parking lot in Washington State, sans Trump.
I have two neighbors with a let’s go Brandon banner plaster to the front of their house. Another guy ran for city council on a platform to mandate all teachers to carry AR-15s at school. There’s a lot of bananas bullshit out there still. These people believe that the United States is a failing state and the only way to save it is to kill liberals.
I was curious about who the 64% of Americans are, because I’ve never done a poll in my life. This is what I found:
NORC gathers data for the polls through its probability-based AmeriSpeak® Panel, a breakthrough survey approach that achieves an industry-leading response rate and includes difficult-to-reach demographic groups, such as rural and low-income households.
For AmeriSpeak’s Omnibus survey, 1,000 nationally representative adults age 18 and older are drawn from the AmeriSpeak Panel and are interviewed online and by phone.
The people that are drawn from the panel are all preregistered. So these people sign up, and are asked questions every month. The same people. Every month. Then they do some sort of probability math on those numbers and run it as a news story.
That’s how polls work. I’m not sure if you genuinely don’t know, but that’s just how they are done.
You can very accurately extrapolate data on the entire population with just 1000 participants. The flaw is in geography distribution, population distribution, willingness to poll, and other types of sample bias, but if they account for those then that’s perfectly valid.
I did not know. That’s why I said I didn’t know and looked it up, and then shared the info i found :)
Good on you for looking it up. I’ve seen so many comments from people who don’t look it up and just go “they only asked 2000 people so this is bullshit”. I initially had thought your original comment would be just another one of those till I read it all.
Yeah, screw that. Don’t trust polls, vote like your democracy and your life depend on it.
…becuase they very much may
May??
It literally does at this point.
36% is enough to elect, if they all vote.
Not to mention they get up to 3x electoral college voting power depending on how empty their state is.
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truly sad state of things. It’s disinformation like none other. These people are completely oblivious to the facts of his criminal activities because the media they consume is only focused on cultural issues. It’s literally all they see. They have no ability to look things up or fact check or think beyond whatever their pod casts are telling them.
It’s such a bigger issue about this country as a whole. Education has failed so many. Those same people will vote for people that want to further erode education. They also have lots of kids and groom them to believe nonsense and deny education’s importance. They attack teachers and doctors as being “woke” etc…
I hope we can come back from this, but the reality is it gets much worse from here.
Now if only someone would do something about the gerrymandering
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So 36% of Americans are fucking dumb. Which is lower than I would’ve guessed.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin
We can only hope that these 64% will actually cast their vote when it counts.
Just a reminder that Republicans have won the popular vote once in the last 30 years, despite holding office for 12 of them.
What a majority of people want doesn’t really matter in our system.
Just about every poll about Trump vs Biden, Hillary, or any other democrat, or an issue where dems and repubs are split down party lines, typically shows a 60-40 split, sometimes 61 or maybe 62% against Trump after bad news about his latest exploit. So seeing that 64% of Americans will either “definitely not support” or " probably not support" another Trump term (compared to 54% again Biden) shows a shift in public opinion in the last few months. It will be interesting to watch whether the trials further this trend, or if he regains some popularity assuming he avoids conviction in one or more jury rooms.
How many will turn out to vote though?
I can sit on my couch all day disapproving Trump, but if I don’t cast a ballot then my opinion doesn’t count for much.
Now if we can just make sure those 64% actually go vote that would be nice.
