• RealFknNito@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    “I will now be regressing the equality she attempted to create in an attempt to be petty.”

    I need to take a psychology class because I just can’t fucking understand people.

    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      Just as Lemmy’s full of right-wing authoritarians preaching communism, it’s also full of sexist assholes preaching feminism. I hope that one day the Fediverse will be mainstream enough that we’ll get enough reasonable people to downvote this trash into oblivion, but we don’t seem to be getting any closer to that.

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        7 months ago

        Sadly, I’ve seen more absurd comments be said with complete seriousness. I wish it weren’t hard to tell.

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    I thought it was him, William Whewell, in response to an almost rant from Samuel Taylor Coleridge about “natural philosophers” (today’s scientists) not deserving to be called “philosophers”.

    I just googled it and found:

    Coleridge stood and insisted that men of science in the modern day should not be referred to as philosophers since they were typically digging, observing, mixing or electrifying—that is, they were empirical men of experimentation and not philosophers of ideas.

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    There was much grumbling among those in attendance, when Whewell masterfully suggested that in “analogy with artist we form scientist.” Curiously this almost perfect linguistic accommodation of workmanship and inspiration, of the artisanal and the contemplative, of the everyday and the universal –was not readily accepted.

    Yeah, that was the story I’d heard.

    Another source says:

    Coleridge declared that although he was a true philosopher, the term philosopher should not be applied to the association’s members. William Whewell responded by coining the word scientist on the spot. He suggested

    by analogy with artist, we may form scientist.

    It’s funny because nobody remembers S. T. Coleridge as a philosopher but only as a poet. I’ve read that his philosophical writings were like an eccentric and almost immature version of German idealism. The thing that haunts me is that famous F. Schelling is well read but often misunderstood, so if they both were part of the romantic movement and they were both close to idealism, it could be that they both suffer the same fate.

    Anyway, I digressed. That was the story I knew. Basically, a gatekeeping poet separated philosophers and natural philosophers.

    It’s even curious because there are rumours about men like Coleridge being “half-mad”, and recently there have been studies on it. It would be ridiculous (just as history tends to be) if an old mad poet had divided these branches of knowledge on a fit of bad moods.

  • Zerush@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    Behind many famous scientists there was a great woman whose work earned them the Nobel Prize.

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    7 months ago

    “Man of science” sounds so much cooler than “scientist”. Such a shame it’s not used anymore

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    7 months ago

    This is cool and all but I feel like “Woman of Science” was the obvious workaround to their problem.

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    7 months ago

    As cool as that story is, it’s not correct. Taken from https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/71/1/46/819012/Mary-Somerville-s-vision-of-scienceThe-Scottish

    “Mary Somerville’s iconic status is often summed up by stating that William Whewell, in his review of her book On the Connexion of the Physical Sciences, hailed her as the first “scientist.” But almost exactly the opposite was the case. Nowhere did Whewell or anyone else in her lifetime ever call Somerville a scientist, nor is it a word, so far as we know, that she ever used herself. By our current understanding of the term, Somerville can certainly be called a scientist, but for her contemporaries she belonged to a higher and more profound category entirely.”

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    7 months ago

    This has to be bait or something. The fake fact aside, who would be against gendered professions and simultaneously advocating to gender a profession?

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      A bilingual person would to a certain extent. I’ve noticed a tendency of English-speaking societies to gradually eliminate the gender from professions, while the languages with grammatical gender, like Russian or German, tend to incorporate previously missing feminine suffixes to the words that previously were male-gendered only.

      Though your question (a rhetorical one I guess) regards English only, I suppose, and then yes, the combination is weird.

      edit: from what I gather, German is already content with the use of “-in” suffix, so not much change needed, except the push for the use of a “gender gap” or “gender asterisk” (Genderstern) for language to be more inclusive when using plurals [looks extremely clunky to me, but I get the spirit]. In Russian, however, even the suffixes meet significant resistance, both from society and, especially, government, to the point that feminitives are considered “LGBT propaganda”, and since “LGBT is an extremist organisation”, that is extremism apparently. Anyway, “gender gaps” (usually as underscores) are also used in more “left” (for lack of a better label) communities, but are absolutely not accepted and misunderstood be the wider audience.

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      7 months ago

      also, the term for it was literally in the post, man of science, so male scientist is basically male man of science

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        7 months ago

        Not to be confused with the dude who read your Zoobooks and Nat Geo magazines while on his way to leave them in your mailbox.

        The male mail man of science.

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      I don’t really know if I would consider Mayim Bialik a “scientist”. She has a degree in neuroscience, but I don’t think just finishing a stem degree makes you a scientist for the rest of your life.

      I have a medical degree, but I doubt any of my colleagues (outside of medical research) would be comfortable with utilizing the title.

      Someone who hasn’t ever actually worked in their field of study, and only has two published papers…which to be honest, I didn’t even know was possible to complete a Phd while only having a single publication as a post graduate. The publishing requirements for graduate schools have become kinda insane, but your only major publication being your thesis is also kinda absurd. It wouldn’t surprise me if she received some special treatment due to her celeb status.

      Also, someone with a research based degree who also is antivax is concerning. Not to mention the whole selfhelp podcast and the rabid Zionism…

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        I don’t give a fuck about Blossom, if I met a dude in a bar who says he has a PhD in neuroscience and 2 published papers it would not think twice about calling him a scientist, even if he currently works flipping burgers with no plans to return.

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          I met a dude in a bar who says he has a PhD in neuroscience and 2 published papers it would not think twice about calling him a scientist

          I would be more interested in how they managed to get through their PhD without having anything published but their thesis. Most PhD recipients are having to be published 3 times during their PhD alone.

          Her first publication appears to be from graduate school.

          I mean it’s mostly a semantic dispute, there is no real standardization for the title scientist.

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        Well, I just wanted to highlight the difficulties for women to make a name for themselves in science even today. I don’t know if Bialik could have become famous if she had remained a neuroscientist and obviously it has been easier for her to do so as an actress (ironically playing a neuroscientist in The Big Bang Theory), despite several publications.

        Science and technology remains even today, unfairly, a domain of men, even though without women we would not even have Bluetooth or WiFi…

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          Science and technology remains even today, unfairly, a domain of men, even though without women we would not even have Bluetooth or WiFi…

          Oh for sure, I didn’t mean to imply that there’s not massive amounts of inequities in stem. I just don’t know if she is the best example considering her lack of experience in the field.