Rep. Rashida Tlaib: “But Palestinians are not just numbers. Behind these numbers are real people — mothers, fathers, sons, daughters — who have had their lives stolen from them and their families torn apart. And we should not be trying to hide it. These are innocent children and babies who have been bombed in their tents, burned alive, dismembered and deliberately starved to death. Where is our shared humanity in this chamber? There is so much anti-Palestinian racism in this chamber that my colleagues don’t even want to acknowledge that Palestinians exist at all, not when they’re alive and now not even when they’re dead. It’s absolutely disgusting. This is genocide denial.”
lawmakers have barred the U.S. State Department from citing death toll figures provided by the Gaza Ministry of Health
I wonder if the issue is the source? I don’t know anything about the Gaza Ministry of Health to know how accurate their reporting might be.
Lol, I don’t think that’s it.
On 10 November 2023, the Wall Street Journal reported that the US intelligence community has growing confidence that death toll reports from the Gaza Health Ministry are roughly accurate. The article also reported that despite US officials had growing confidence, they did not have enough information to confirm for sure.
In January 2024, Israeli news magazine Mekomit reported that Israeli intelligence officials had concluded that Health Ministry casualty reports are generally reliable and are used in briefings to senior officials.
So yeah, that’s probably not it. I just instinctively distrust orgs that have a clear motive to misreport figures (i.e. inflating numbers could get other countries to intervene on Gaza’s behalf).
The Gaza Ministry of Health has been the most accurate reporter in the region for decades, to the point that even Israel and the IDF use their numbers. If anything, their current estimates err on the low side as a result of so much infrastructure being destroyed in Gaza and the health ministry only counting bodies that have been found. This study published in Lancet estimates that “up to 186,000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza” after combining all direct and indirect factors such as the ongoing famine created by the siege.
Yup, I looked more into it, and they do indeed seem trustworthy. I just knee-jerk question whether an org is trustworthy if they have a clear motivation to misrepresent the truth.
Good instinct. But doesn’t hold true in this instance. I too had that instinct at the beginning of this round of genocide until I did some reading.
The Gaza Ministry of Health has been recognized as a believable source (under the circumstances of being in a state of war since 2007) by the US government for years. This is a purely political move.
yes, it’s the source; but not in the way you might be thinking.
the assumption is that anything out of a gazan mouth must be propaganda, but they’re the only ones on the ground counting and their numbers are in line with estimates from other groups and lower than some of them.
Government banning speech, I understand it’s what the government says, but I feel someone is going to test the limit on this, and the first amendment is going to suffer for it.
This has nothing to do with the first amendment. It’s fucking bullshit, yeah, but not 1a related.
This is about parliamentary procedure, they can (and do, and always have) make whatever rules of decorum that they want.
Removed by mod
Bought, cheaply, and paid for by AIPAC. Until this war I had no idea how politically deep they are.
Let’s not forget CUFI’s part.
Bad Christians
bipartisanship 🥰
Good to know our government can still get shit done when it’s something fucking stupid.
Yes. It’s the facts that are misleading, not us. The ole “you can’t handle the truth.”
I almost typed “I don’t know why we invest in ignorance,” but I do. Goddamn dude
Not just stupid, absolutely depraved!
I Wouldn’t expect any less from this gold plated cesspool founded on genocide, slavery, and exploitation.
“herp derp but we saved the world and beat the Nazis!” Yeah, we fought and defeated the Axis… after they destroyed our pacific fleet and brought the war to us. Prior to that, eugenics were popular here, and practiced.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
Just dogshit, all the way back to the zealots fleeing Europe to be bigger religious prides and nutters.
I had no idea the Associated Press aided in the Holocaust.
Like, financially? Does it just mean they sold photographs to Nazi newspapers?
Censorship and cooperation with Nazi Germany. source
Not to mention that they didn’t join the war until the Russians and Germans had bled themselves dry on the eastern front and the soviets were well on their way to Berlin.
If you wanted to debate who won the war based on how many of their men, women, military and civilian sacrificed themselves willingly and unwillingly, the Russians were far and away the obvious victors.
20 million compared to America’s half million during the war.
The Russians died and killed more Germans than the Americans.
Lol russia was allied with the Nazis until Hitler decided that he didn’t need them anymore, and the only reason russia survived was because of the lend lease. Stop trying to make russia sound like some great nation in WWII.
And American businesses didn’t mind being allied with the Nazis leading up to the war (Hitler saw Henry Ford, an out and out antisemite, as an inspiration and was given the highest nazi award to a foreigner), plenty of American businesses either directly or indirectly helped to finance the German war machine leading up to the war, Nazi Germany didn’t build a multimillion dollar war machine in a global vacuum … and then America allied with Nazi veterans AFTER the war … it’s basically Nazi scientists that sent them to the moon.
Everyone made deals with the devil to benefit themselves at different times for different reasons.
We can’t point out one side allying with nazis and ignore others who did the same.
Even in Canada where I’m from a lot of critics and historians have pointed out that after the war … it was far more easier and acceptable to be a Nazi or a Fascist then it was to be a Socialist or Communist.
they didn’t join the war until the Russians and Germans had bled themselves dry on the eastern front and the soviets were well on their way to Berlin.
Your timeline is way off here. The US joined the war against Germany on Dec. 11th 1941, less than six months after Germany’s invasion of the USSR which had not yet even stalled out in front of Moscow. The Soviets weren’t “well on their way to Berlin” until late 1944, nearly three years later. Your other points are valid enough that you don’t need to utterly mangle your first one.
The absolute scale of the Eastern Front compared to the Western Front is mind-boggling, and American media and education downplays the tremendous sacrifices made by the Red Army and how much they accomplished.
During the war, the Western Allies were more than happy to have Nazi Germany and the USSR bleed each other out as much as possible, and then pretend they were team members on equal footing.
…our most infamous capitalists supplied and financed both sides…
Not the least of whom happened to be Fred Trump, the former president’s father. Unfortunately there is a large gap in his FBI file before and after the war, where we would expect to find documented proof of these activities. Still, it seems pretty clear what happened, and he certainly didn’t hide his racism publicly.
So, what I’m hearing is we have lots of room to do better. 😃
Whaaaaatttt?
This world.
Why is this surprising? America was founded on genocide and settler colonialism, those are core values.
Most countries were.
Maybe most countries need to be reorganized along different lines that don’t have direct traces to said settler colonialism and genocide.
Welcome to WW3, the last war.
Most countries arent settlers lmao what
This is insane.
This is conservatives.
but some people will say both sides are the same
i’m not usually “both sides,” but i think some Dems voted for this as well
If you look at the vote count it was 99% of the republicans voted yes, and 30% of the dems voted yes. I think my point still stands
This is the bipartisan rules-based international order. There are 220 republicans and 213 Democrats in the House, and the vote was 269-144.
99% of the repubs votes yes. 30% of the dems voted yes.
Leans conservative not surprisingly. Only point I was making
WE DONT TALK ABOUY THE GENOCIDES WE COMMMIT, LADY
That’s cuz it’SS SSettler SSolidarity in action between Amerikkka and ISSrael…
I’m not surprised, but I am disappointed
Man what the fuck. What is their justification for this.
The American Empire requires Israel as an Imperialist foothold in the Middle East. They will protect Israel and manufacture consent as much as they can to prevent public backlash.
They actually don’t even need Israel, Turkey is our NATO ally already and has the same access to the sea. Obviously Erdogan is a authoritarian dickshit, but at least they’re not actively committing a genocide.
Israel has no dramatic geopolitical value to the US at this point, they’re basically just a client. Though you wouldn’t think it by the way Netanyahu yanks Biden around by his testicles. The unquestioning support for Israel is ideological for people like Biden, and for others it’s all the money from AIPAC and JStreet
This vote, not to mention the history of the last 70 years, shows that they very much do think they need Israel.
that anything coming a gazan mouth must be propaganda; but they’re the only ones on the ground counting their numbers are smaller than others’ estimates
Should be mentioned that the Israeli gov kicked out all the other human rights orgs
The parallels between Ukraine and Gaza has made it clear that if you want public outrage those babies better be white or else they will be reported as collateral damage instead of genocide.
I want names. I’ve got some angry letters to write.
Write me a letter if this ends up helping
Mine said “not voting.”
Just as bad as voting for it, honestly.
A vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump. 👍
A vote not for Trump is a vote for Biden. 👍
Not allowing People to Know how many people have died is called being PRO LIFE!
