Brave, brave Sir Robin.
Bravely ran away away
I still think he’s going to pull some stunt. He’s incapable of just simply obeying something like this.
The stunt is going to be after the booking, when he holds a press conference and says stupid shit which would revoke anyone else’s bail agreement, but he will continue to get a pass because his followers are a dangerous cult.
I think you’re right. As much as it galls me, he’ll suffer no consequences because he has millions of armed angry followers. One speech from him might actually start a civil war.
Fuck rupert murdoch and fox news for ratcheting up the rhetoric over the years to keep their viewers scared, angry, and glued to their TVs. And fuck right wing talk radio for doing the same thing.
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There is trouble in the forest And the creatures all have fled As the maples scream, “Oppression!” And the oaks just shake their heads
He tried to rally his followers before and got like 5 people showing up. That ship has sailed, he’s not an unassailable lord and it harms Democracy to pretend he is.
This time I want to be more certain than that. I’m glad that he seems to be losing followers but he’s still a really dangerous person.
How can he be the GOP’s best candidate and have only 5 followers ?
I know it would be a terrible thing but it would be the most one-sided civil war in the history of ever.
His followers are massively gung ho but they really only care about themselves. Once actual consequences, such as returning fire, make themselves felt I suspect a lot of them will slink off back to Alabama or whatever.
There will be a lot of grumbling and accusations from them, but they won’t do anything very much because they don’t dare. Having guns won’t protect you from the US military if the US military doesn’t like you, and they’ll soon work that one out.
The court has some reasons that benefit justice, and not trump, to lean hard toward “push ahead and avoid extra drama.” Trump wants to delay everything and make himself the victim. Letting him push the envelope here and there deprives him of what he ultimately wants.
God damn it. This is one of those comments that makes me rage to read but I have to concede that you’re right.
Any drama at this point is just fodder for the inevitable appeals.
Turning himself in the day after the GOP debate is the stunt.
They’ll just process and release him. He’s out on bond in several places at this point.
Yep.
No matter what happens at the debate, all the news will be talking about the next morning is trump turning himself in.
If he waited till the last day like he said, they’d have a day in the news cycle
After Covid he planned on wearing a Superman logo. He’s definitely thinking of a way to show off. Maybe arrive in prison stripes and claim the prosecutor demanded it?
Some of the other clowns in the circus might pull a stunt like that, but Trump is the Whiteface, the clown that emphasizes pride and arrogance.
He would never allow himself to do something that he thinks will look bad. Not to say his bungling incompetence doesn’t do that for him, it’s just that he won’t do it as a conscious choice.
Clowns are somewhat interesting.the Whiteface is the know-it-all straight man, and the Auguste is the bumbling doofus who is the butt of every joke. The Auguste is the first to get a pie in the face. You laugh at the Auguste.
The Whiteface on the other hand is the person telling you who to laugh at. They tell the mean jokes to get the audience to laugh at others. This makes it so much more satisfying when the Auguste finally hits the Whiteface with the pie.
Anyway Trump couldn’t tell a joke if his life depended on it, but he still fills the role of Whiteface in this circus. He’ll pull stunts, but only if he thinks it will make someone else look bad.
I think you just explained why I always hated clown shows.
I think it’s more likely the fact that clown shows used to be something aimed at adults, and then they got dumbed down to be kid friendly.
Old school performances had lots of jokes about murder, sex, suicide, and other dark topics.
Look at it this way, the Three Stooges was actually a clown show. Moe was the Whiteface. Larry, Curly, and Shep played the role of Auguste.
That’s how it sort of went, the actual clowns ditched the makeup and started performing on TV or in movies, and the children’s performers threw out all of the rich history and defined roles and instead focused on bright colors and loud fart jokes. Not that fart jokes weren’t a rich part of that history. They really were.
Other contributing factors in the death of the clown show were things like The Joker, and John Wayne Gacy.
BTW, the Joker is a classic Whiteface clown taken to a sadistic extreme, he wouldn’t be caught dead wearing a red nose. To the Joker, jokes happen to other people. That’s what he finds funny. The fact that no one else laughs is what drives him mad.
(As a note, the Auguste is also sometimes called the Red Nose, because they wear the over sized red nose, the white face might paint their nose red, but will never wear the prop)
I saw a troupe at the circus in Brasil growing up (well after the 3 Stooges, I’m not that old), and the vibe very much was mean-spirited like you described in the first post, not the Bozo Show kiddie version you’re talking about here.
I preferred the elephant kicking soccer balls into the crowd, she boomed the shit out of those little suckers.
Yeah, the Whiteface is a sort of archetype that can be off-putting if done wrong.
Look at modern comedians who often follow the clown archetypes, if loosely. George Carlin was a prime example of the Whiteface. He pointed at a wrong in the world, and people laughed at it.
Robin Williams was an Auguste. He took pratfalls, he had zany antics, pure physical comedy matched with rapier wit. You laughed at him as often as you laughed at something he said about someone else.
There’s also a third archetype, mostly American in the clown world, the Tramp. These guys are like the Auguste in that they’re the butt of the joke, but unlike the Auguste, they never have a moment where they win. They’re the downtrodden, the bumbling idiots who never suceed in pointing and laughing, only at being pointed at. The trope is the life so bad that it’s funny.
Another piece of media to really understand clowns is the play, Waiting for Godot. You can find versions of it on Youtube, and the Internet Archive. It’s a darkly funny play that is actually a clown show pretending to be a play. It’s surreal and kind of fucked up, but in a good way.
This is a very unique take and I’m here for it.
I’ve spent far too much time thinking about clowns and clown history for someone who doesn’t tell jokes. I spent some time researching comedy and how it’s changed over the years.
For example, the classic roles of comedy still sort of carry over to modern comedians. For example, Goerge Carlin was a classic example of a Whiteface. His comedy was almost always about telling you who you should be laughing at. He pointed, and you laughed, he never took a pratfall, You never laughed at him.
Robin Williams on the other hand more often took on the role of the Auguste, the Red Nose (Because they’re the only clowns that wear the red nose prop). He was loud and boisterous, and took pratfalls. You laughed at his antics, his physical humor, just as much as at what he said.
The Auguste is almost always the butt of the joke when there’s a Whiteface, but can be the one playing the jokes when paired with a Rube (A straight man who isn’t in on the joke)
There are more classic clown roles that exist, the Tramp is an American clown (but the underlying concept is global) that is always the butt of every joke. Their makeup is usually patterned after the 1930s hobo, they take the sad clown motif to the extreme. The sort of “my life is so shit that it’s funny” kind of archetype. Or they can show up in a sort of “the prince and the pauper” situation where they’re either slobs in a high society setting, or show refined manners while eating out of a trashcan.
The Tramp is like an extreme form of the Auguste. While the Auguste might get revenge on the Whiteface, the Tramp never will. Also, the Auguste will abuse the Tramp in exactly the same way that he in tern is abused by the WhiteFace.
The Three Stooges come to mind for this dynamic, although none of them were really the Tramp. Larry was firmly an Auguste, and Curly and Shep were closer to the Tramp side of things, but were still Auguste. Moe was a Whiteface.
Anyway, I hope that helps to explain the circus that is the Trump org. They aren’t trying to be clowns, but they fit the roles.
Thanks for that little lesson. That’s some interesting info.
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Any attempt to flee and a pair of fully armed F-22s will bring them back. Trump’s plane is being tracked.
Had to edit this comment. There’s more!
Here’s the arrest list so far:
Cathy Latham, 5’2" 155 lbs
Scott Hall, 6’0" 235 lbs
John Eastman, 5’7" 160 lbs
David Shafer, 5’5" 150 lbs
Kenneth Chesebro, 5’11" 185 lbs
Ray Stallings Smith III, 5’11" 195 lbs
13 more traitors to go, less than 3 days left.
Can someone convert these to Courics? That’s the natural unit for pieces of shit anyway
Couric? Couric who?
Surely not very thin ice Couric?
Omg actual height and weight data on Trump tomorrow?
With or without the lifts and diaper?
They won’t make him take off his stilts.
Somebody said that they go off your id but I’m not sure if that’s true or not.
Hah everyone has been so fixated on getting his weight that I forgot that we also get his true height without the shoe lifts. What a day.
Who’s out there with the Scott Hall bod?
RIP Razor Ramon 😭
So what’s the Secret Service procedure on having someone they’re protecting be booked in a State Court system?
I doubt it ever happened before, so whatever the policy will be, it’s going to be brand new
They roshambo over who has to go buy a camp chair and a kindle to sit outside the cell?
In all seriousness, there is basically zero chance trump ends up in gen pop. He’ll be in the whitest of white collar prisons (if not just house arrest) and it will be comparable to guarding him at a golf course. Just with fewer plane rides.
As long as he hates it, I’ll love it.
Honestly, him never being president again and having to stay alone for a few years in a cheap motel with free HBO with the Secret Service guarding outside would be enough for me.
One of those really sleazy rooms with the heart shaped jacuzzi that has the DNA of thousands of people clogging the pump. And a bed that vibrates if you put a quarter in it. And wood panel walls.
Have you seen the way Mar-a-lago is decorated? He’d probably love all of that.
Or he’ll be in ADX Florence with other traitors.
Oh man I feel bad for the sucker whose job it is to watch over trump in prison.
Not law enforcement. I’d assume that they’d come to some arraignment with the Correction Officers before hand.
come to some arraignment
Not sure if that was intentional but it works well either way haha
Just like he proudly presented that evidence earlier?
I’m still pissed I didn’t get to see that. It would have been so fucking funny.
Remember when he divested himself from his businesses? He held a press conference with a stack of folders large enough to be unlikely and nobody was allowed to see what was inside.
My money would have been on that again.
This more than anything makes me feel like he might actually flee. He always says the opposite of the truth, like when he said that he won the election.
He can’t. The Secret Service are assigned to him. They’re not just bodyguards…
The same secret service that tried to lure Mike Pence into a car to remove him from the Capitol?
The same secret service that Mike Pence said "if I get in that car I know I’m not coming back?
The same secret service that had to be completely rotated after Biden took office because there was a legitimate threat to Biden?
The same secret service that deleted their phone records after January 6th?
Yeah I’m sure they’re all in the good and none of them would defect with TrumpEdit: oh, And there’s this article that was posted to c/politics about half an hour ago
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/emails-reveal-secret-service-contacts-with-oath-keepers/ASSAB
I don’t recall Trump ever doing or saying anything without some element of egomaniacal pride, boasting, or grandstanding. He should get the opportunity to rot in a prison cell while endlessly showing up in court and being returned to said prison cell.
Someone just needs to jail him
I wish, but I think some of his more… enthusiastic supporters would get violent.
I imagine that the Federal and Georgian governments want to avoid a horde of people rioting and trying to free him from jail. There would be assholes just itching to open fire on “the deep state” and you’d need the national guard to defend the prison/jail. Even if the trumpists started it, such a thing might actually spark a civil war.
They’re already violent, and getting more so. Appeasing them isn’t going to make them suddenly behave.
I hope they do.
That way our national guard can put them down.
If you don’t do the right thing because you’re afraid of bad actors, then the bad actors have won. I’m afraid of violence, too. But if the courts find him guilty on a charge that leads to incarceration, then he should be held to the same standard.
Truth. I’m definitely overly cautious!
I imagine that the Federal and Georgian governments want to avoid a horde of people rioting and trying to free him from jail.
Atlantan here. Bring it on; I don’t give a shit. We can arrest all the Cobb County MAGA terrorists too, while we’re at it!
They can all go to jail with him.
I just had a thought. . . Put trump in jail as bait. . … let his followers come to “rescue” him. . . . Let them experience the American military power that they love so much. . . I don’t think their AR-15s are going to be much help vs tanks and helicopters and satellites, etc
Let them get violent… we need to speed this shit up and have the civil war already before another GQP president had control over the military. Sure, people are gonna die… but it won’t be anyone on the left.
#consequences 🤪
A civil war would mean drone dropped grenades like in Ukraine. A lot of people on both sides would die and many more would be maimed.
They don’t have the balls to start a war.
Pride goeth before the fall
Trump puts on an act, but I think this breaks him
And I will proudly laugh my ass off when the traitor shitcunt is imprisoned.
I bet Trump smiles for the camera like fuckin’ Tom DeLay did. Smarmy bastards, the both of 'em.
You ever notice when people talk about being “proud” that proud=not ashamed=something I should be ashamed of but fuck you? Proud texan, proud southerner, proud to be white, etc.
Can’t say that any of those things you listed someone should be ashamed of, but maybe not proud of them either.
Fwiw, Trump either genuinely believes he’s done nothing wrong, or he needs his fans to believe it, so him saying this kinda tracks.
I guess there’s a reason pride is a deadly sin
I get your point but I don’t think anyone should be ashamed where they’re from, per se. I have no power over where I’m born.
Just because you shouldn’t feel proud of something doesn’t mean you should be ashamed of it, and I don’t think they’re implying one should be. I’m not proud that I have a nose, but I’m not ashamed I do either; I just have one.
I also have a nose! Cheers!
They are responding to someone who literally said they should be ashamed though. And one of the examples was being white. The blatant racism is disgusting.
I agree. Its equally as absurd to be proud of where youre from. You should be proud of achievements. You didnt achieve being a certain race or being born in a certain country etc. You ran a marathon, good for you, you should be proud. Thats kinda my point people tend to be proud of things they shouldnt.
This is literally the only reason he didn’t use “strongly”.
The best arrest. The best. It will be a yuge arrest, the likes that have never been seen before.
I’ll just wait for his second arrest - after he violates the bond conditions, which he surely will do.
That’s the one I’d be proud to watch.
