• meowington1@sh.itjust.works
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    7 days ago

    So, most user are passive user. Maybe they leave because nothing interesting.

    One another hypothesis is that the stats is not count fully as some instance was not up to the task, slow, … So the now stat is under-count

  • norimee@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Did lemmy do something in the meantime to keep bots out?

    If a lot of them can’t operate anymore like before they wouldn’t count as active users anymore either and would explain discrepancies, or not?

    Not that I know anything about how bots or websites work tbh.

  • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 days ago

    Part of it is that people also moved on from Lemmy too. Lemmy is nice, but there also isn’t very much by way of activity on it, which feeds back into itself. No activity means there’s nothing to draw people into it, and not enough to keep them around when they are there.

    One of the communities and (non-world) instances I frequented is all but dead these days.

  • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 days ago

    Honestly, it’s a short-sighted move made with hubris by the developer’s personal ideology. Both @nutomic@lemmy.ml and @dessalines@lemmy.ml admit in the PR that it’s not a good solution, but yet they continue any way — probably because it’s an easy “solution”, despite alienating 41% of their active user base.

    It’s a terrible trend in a lot of programming circles that programmers think because it is easy and it “works” (in that one circumstance) that it must be correct. This can be evidenced by browsing StackOverflow and reading the accepted answers for a lot of questions (SSL errors in software and disabling hostname verification or cert checks comes to mind).

    In my 18+ years of experience, if I find an “easy” solution to a complex problem, I keep looking for the correct solution. What is “easy” now will most likely lead to more complex problems down the line. And as they say, “if you can’t find the time to fix it right the first time, where are you going to find the time to fix it again?”

    Look, I get Lemmy is meant to be decentralized. Hiding away your biggest instance looks shady to outside users not in the know. The real solution is to “go door to door” to app makers and ask them to not default to any one instance of Lemmy (side note: randomizing a default server is not much better). If anything, add a link to join-lemmy where people can browse the list of ALL instances (yes, ALL of them) and let them make a genuinely-informed decision on their own. As a convenience, and API should be provided (assuming one does not already exist) so that apps can query a pageable/searchable list of existing/active instances (maybe also provide a link to their homepage too).

    Hell, if it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy, the default sorting of returned values can be weighted by percentage of active users (i.e., higher percentages get lower weights to help promote smaller instances). This would help to round out the number of signups without excluding instances.

    But whatever developers do (not just Lemmy devs), do NOT overly dictate how people use your software “because I don’t like it”; lest you piss your user base off.

    /two-cents

    Edit: clarified a few points.

    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
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      7 days ago

      You’re talking about something without actually clarifying what the hell you’re talking about. That’s the short sighted move? The easy “solution”? What “works”?

    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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      7 days ago

      alienating 41% of their active user base

      Why would distributing users to smaller instances alienate Lemmy.world users?

      If anything, distributing the load results in a better user experience, since the last Reddit exodus was taking down .world every few hours.

      • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 days ago

        Because it’s not simply “distributing” the load; it’s actively hiding an instance as if it doesn’t exist. So what do they do when the next instance gets “too big” for their liking? Hide it, along side LW? And the next?

        Re-read my comment — specifically the second half where I offer a potential solution that would actually distribute the load more fairly without having to hide anything.

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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          7 days ago

          it’s actively hiding an instance as if it doesn’t exist

          For the purpose of directing new users, who tend to just pick the largest instance, sure. But if you and they are both federated, there’s no difference in the content.

          So what do they do when the next instance gets “too big” for their liking? Hide it, along side LW? And the next?

          Correct, because this increases the reliability of the average lemmy user’s experience as one point of failure affects fewer users.

  • 1984@lemmy.today
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    7 days ago

    I think because we have mostly memes and any discussion is just won by downvoting your opponent. :)

    I’m half serious… The platform right now is lacking actual discussions. Everyone seems to just like memes.

    • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
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      7 days ago

      Not to mention the deluge of posts/comments advocating greater violence in the name of stopping violence. Honestly? I think people are just waking up to the fact that behind the techno babble and ideological propaganda, Lemmy is a social network just like any other.

    • SorteKanin@feddit.dk
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      7 days ago

      The platform right now is lacking actual discussions. Everyone seems to just like memes.

      Honestly I’ve just blocked most of the meme comms 😅. It’s easy to see memes when I want to anyway by just opening a private window where I’m not logged in and going to the all feed. It’s always mostly memes anyway. Then when I’m logged in, I can see some other stuff without all the memes clogging up my feed.

    • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.comEnglish
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      7 days ago

      Unfortunately, the Lemmy community copied opinion downvoting from Reddit.

      There are good reasons to downvote, but a different opinion is not one of them. This just leads to echo chambers.

      There are 3 options: upvote, downvote and the 3rd one is just not clicking anything.

      • 1984@lemmy.today
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        7 days ago

        Literally all my downvotes are from people with different options. This is a huge echo chamber. I rarely insult anyone and I’m always polite. I don’t believe vaccinations are safe for everyone since there are side effects, and I think each person should make their own decision about them. I don’t think gender issues are the most important thing in the world.

        These are controversial opinions on this platform. :) And I get a lot of downvotes for those opinions when they show up. Not that I care, because I just ignore it. But in the larger picture, it makes people leave the platform.

        Why should they stay? I think Lemmy needs to have a good reason to be used. Memes won’t be enough.

        I still like the idea of a platform without big tech though. I just think most people don’t realize what makes people stay on a platform. It’s not memes.

    • cocobean@bookwormstory.socialEnglish
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      7 days ago

      Ya damn right! Probably would’ve been a lot more popular too if Lemmy had spoiler tag support (see discussion https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/317). But now that the LN is finished, it’ll probably be a lot harder to convince people to move over from the subreddit, even if spoiler tags were implemented. 😢 Maybe when the new season of the anime premiers it will pick up.

  • Sundial@lemm.ee
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    7 days ago

    School probably.

    Honestly, what’s more surprising is the numbers are that drastic. I didn’t think we have that many Gen Z users here.

      • doctortran@lemm.eeEnglish
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        7 days ago

        The notion of “summer reddit” went hand in hand with the “moms basement” sayings, and even “touch grass” in a way:

        Namely all of them are from millennials that are still thinking the person on the other end of the comment is sitting in front of a computer. It ignores the simple fact we all have the internet in our pockets and can be chronically online and actually out in the world doing things at the same time.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      7 days ago

      What is your default sort set to?

      I’m set to scaled and subscribed by default which mostly gets me posts from the last 0-6 hours. But for some reason Lemmy on FF keeps logging me out so I get to see the default all with active sort and it’s a wildly different user base.

      There was a post the other day in like Linux memes about case sensitivity in the file system. Early on the post was mostly the Linux die hards who love their case sensitivity. After about 1.5 days it showed up in active and all of the newer comments were (probably normal people) bashing case sensitivity. It’s almost like R*ddit to a degree where the general consensus in the comments can change over time as different users start seeing the post.