• selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    This is bullshit. Boomers, genXers and now millenials have been fighting against wild capitalism for decades, and a lot of them died fighting or are rotting in jail right now.

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    To be fair, us genX did nothing about anything and just felt cool wallowing in our fake cynicism of “why do anything when nothing matters” so we’re probably half as much to blame as the boomers

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      There’s a certain selection bias to the “Weak Men, Hard Times / Strong Men, Good Times” just so historical analysis. You don’t talk about all the folks that die during good times or bad times. You just point to the old people and your brain slips right past the selection bias that allowed them to live and others to die.

      Trying to blame this generation or that is a fool’s errand. What do you tell a population of Gen Xers who were dragged out to the suburbs and raised in these segregated hermitages for twenty years, then plunged into the capitalist meat grinder at the tail end of the post-war boom years? “Hey, you should have all just psychically linked up and formed a socio-economic Voltron to change a century’s old system overnight”? Who can seriously believe that? The deck was stacked against you and yet we still have a litany of Gen Xers who struggled - even died - in their effort to undo the damage of prior generations.

      And what do you say to all the children of WW2 refugees who washed up on America’s shores and struggled to carve out a life for themselves in the graveyards of the First Nation’s people? Or the Cold War refugees - the Korean and Vietnamese and Indonesian and Taiwanese and Venezuelan and Cuban and Spanish and Russian and North Africa and… and… and… - who came into the US as children and were promptly indoctrinated to hate their home countries by the white supremacist majordomos of the American imperial class?

      Its easy to blame yourself or your neighbors or your generation. Its hard to see the bigger picture and how each of us fit into it. Its hard to know if we’re doing the right thing, or doing enough of the right thing, or who is with us and who is against us given the sheer tsunami of bullshit in our information networks.

      We’re playing the game on Hard Mode. And I don’t think anyone who cares enough to question and inquire about their efforts can really be held to blame. It’s the folks who have burned the ability to care out of their souls that hold us back. And that’s not a decision unique to a region or time period.

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      To be fair, you were directly under thier control when they were in their biological primes so fighting back would have been harder. Also, it’s you parents and all. So don’t sweat it too much

  • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world
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    The generation who wants to make 80$/hour but only want to work 4 hours a day every other day but is a high school drop out and has 30 pronouns, the same people who want to protest on behalf of Palestinians, who if the said protestors visit Palestine, they’d be raped and beheaded for being apart of the LGBTQ community, the same people who wear fanny packs and socks with sandals, and the ones who are tide pods…

    Or the people who wore diapers on their ears, took deworming pills to battle COVID, “injected themselves with bleach”, and school shootings because the “strong men” made fun of them etc etc etc

    Oh wait. Maybe they did create the hard times that created the weak men… Just downhill from here, or unless Kamala Harris wins the election so we can create strong men again. Oh wait… “Vote blue no matter who” is a rather weak strategy which creates low informed voters as well as the “make America great” schtick.

    IDK, all of humanity is doomed. There is no saving us. We are constantly at odds with each other and no one wants total cohesiveness or even promotes it.

    We are drifting away and there is no going back. Blame the “boomers” and " Gen X" all you want, we are destined to destroy ourselves and the answer isn’t “vote blue no matter who” or “Make America great again”.

    The wrong people are being heralded as role models. Role models shouldn’t be famous people or politicians. And if parents can’t be role models and then they shouldn’t have become parents.

    Anyway, off I go to collect downvotes and snarky comments yet again lol

    • Allero@lemmy.today
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      As the economy grows and progress creates exponentially more wealth, it’s only natural that people demand ever higher standards of living. This is good, this is how it should be.

      At the same time, generational theory is bullshit. People in each age bracket are very different, and in each of them you can find what you would call more sensitive or more tough people. And it is good, too! Some people are better at promoting change, some people are better at withstanding the status quo. Both are necessary if we want to have constant growth on a strong foundation. Oh, and every generation has stupid freaks. A lot of them, in fact.

      LGBTQ+ youth defending Palestine is not about promoting LGBTQ+ rights. It’s about fighting for a more fundamental right - right for people to live. No one in their sane mind expects Palestinian Arabs to go under rainbow flags, but it doesn’t matter for as long as life for everyone in the region is endangered. The people you call “weak” are protesting in defence of basic human rights - something “strong” people fought hard for - that are undermined in the world of today. They’d rather see a region that is unfriendly to LGBTQ+ than one that is mass grave.

      And you’re right - famous people shouldn’t be our role models! They just often happen to be so as they are in the spotlight. But we should promote other voices - scientists, engineers, economists, we should promote meaningful art, etc. etc. Parents are not always a perfect role model, as they bring with them a load of stereotypes, cognitive distortions, and are commonly conservative in the wide sense of the word, which hinders the development of new ways of thinking. But they too are undoubtedly important.

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      Boomers and Gen X did exactly the same thing that you’re doing. Nothing. They just let the super rich elite screw the whole world up and now you’re doing the same thing they did. Nothing.

      If you want to act high and mighty you’re not going to change the world by complaining on the internet. You have to stop the super rich.

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        Complaining is a tool. Talking is a tool. Leads to acting and organizing. Guillotines don’t spontaneously form from the aether.

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        You have to stop the super rich.

        If I could, I would use this simple way to stop them: ban all parties that support them, nationalize all their beings and “sweeten up” their coffee if they complain too much.

        There’s only one problem: I CAN’T DO NOTHING BECAUSE I’M NOT IN FUCKING POWER

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        Yeah, yeah, 80s and 90s had concentration camps for black people, heard that shit before. Meanwhile no climate crisis, no Trump, no Tiktok, nothing, just some fucking peace.

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        Gen X did nothing to improve the dumpster fire that boomers created. All they do is whine about how “powerless” they were

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            The systems that destroyed our society were created by boomers and Regan

            Which system do you think destroys our society?

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            GenX was also relatively small compared to the boomers.

            I wonder if every generation will blame (maybe correctly) previous generations. So long as things are getting worse, the kids kind of have a valid argument. “Why didn’t you fix this before it got to us?”

            As a millennial, I’ve been doing what I can short of going full vigilante. But in 30 years, they still wouldn’t be wrong to say “it’s still broke though isn’t it?”

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              Millennial here too… I blame myself for everything, including climate change. Everything I (can) buy is wrapped in plastic. Everything I (can) consume produces CO2. Every step I take, every breath I make… I’m killing earth.

              I have a lot of self hate and can understand anyone who hates my generation. At least it ends with me. Who ever thinks kids are a good Idea must be completely insane.

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                How about it’s not your fault that there isn’t a alternative to a more eco friendly product, because it’s the politicians fault, we elect politician’s and they have almost all of them a green Policy. But that’s just on paper, they will really never do anything that hurt the economy and corporate profit. We vote on policy and they won’t implement it, the only thing you are responsible for is holding your politicians to account, but yeah keep blaming yourself for the shit that you have no control over and live in apathy

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                Whoa whoa. Never said I hated myself. That doesn’t solve anything. If anything it makes things worse by stealing focus. More like realizing that this isn’t working. We need to fix the system instead of letting people distract us with plastic straws or playing the blame game

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                  The system can only be fixed by violence. I am no violent guy but billionaires have to die… all of them or we don’t even have to start.

                  I keep on trying to fix little things, but I don’t think that I can do enough… even remotely compared to the destruction their greed brings.

                  I’m out… no kids, no blame, it’s more CO2 than anyone can save. And honestly,… it’s the kids of the other people who will die in the climate wars. I simply don’t care any more until real change happens.

                  Edit: Humanity will prevail. Sooner or later even with a technological state as today or way more advanced… it just will take a few 100 more years for the remaining few to build this solar punk future. I’m just sad I’m living now and not when all this capitalism BS already died ages ago.

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      Do we REALLY want zombie Reagan and hundreds of others like that running around again? I dunno about you guys, but I’m so tired of living through Interesting Times ™️ and Unprecedented Events ™️. A zombie apocalypse where they don’t eat our brains, but just fuck up the economy even more doesn’t sound fun.

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        Lmao, yeah I can’t imagine why someone would think that reviving them would make them suddenly want to correct their mistakes. They just got a chance to further be shit.

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          Since we’re just playing necromancer, why not have these zombies live in constant agony wishing for true death and the only way they can achieve it is to undo their legacy work which binds their children.

          The fantasy was already pretty high, may as well lean into it

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        Make Zombie Reagan take Carter’s former place and build homes (by hand) for poor people.

        The holy water that leaks out of the sink will probably burn him out of existence anyway.

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      Only thing that isn’t okay is to mangle your sentence to conform to the obsolete “never end a sentence with a preposition because some old fogey said so hundreds of years ago” rule 😛

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          What you wrote was fine. Some people don’t like that sentence structure for stupid reasons

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          It’s an invented prescriptionist rule that was imported from studying Latin. You can completely ignore it and you’ll get more natural sounding language.

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          It’s the “with which we are okay” that sounds a little stilted. Most speakers would probably phrase that part of the sentence as “which we’re okay with.” It’s just because “okay with” is so common that it almost feels like a transitive form of the verb “to be okay,” so splitting apart sounds odd.

          Note that there’s already a different transitive verb “okay” which means “approve” or “authorize,” as in “the boss okayed your plan to use the forklift,” implying that the person doing this has authority or control over whether the thing happens. “I’m okay with it” by contrast typically means something like “I have no control over it but it also doesn’t trouble me.” “Unfazed by” (spelled in this way, not related to “phase”) would be a similar expression.

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          Same here. There’s probably other ways too, but personally I’d probably have gone with “and we’re okay with that” or “and that’s fine/okay with us”. Just flows more like naturally IMO.

          BTW, in spite of the tongue in cheek way in which I said it, I meant no personal ill will towards you. Just the rule and its tyranny 😉

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        I’m ok with ignoring this rule. Most of us do anyway. While we’re at it, can we also put “never split the infinitive” on the chopping block?