These are just examples, I have no opinion on what is the best.
Something like: I like the cameras from the Galaxy s23, the processor from the latest Pixel, the memory from the Razor. I mean whatever. I suppose Iphones could be included, but I figure it’s more locked in than androids, I could be wrong.
Or even replacing a part from one phone with one that’s better, for personal use? Like, even just putting pixel 7 cameras into a pixel 8 phone.
Besides the factory warrenty, and money spent, is it software? Is it having to reconfigure the hardware? Is it just space in general?
If we all have things we don’t like about our phones, why aren’t we able to just make it more to our liking?
design compatibility issues and proprietary firmware or software
Capitalism, kind of. Practically, the rest of the way. Mobile parts need to be designed really tightly integrated, because they need to fix exactly into such small spaces, and standardizing them isn’t really feasible without significant pressure on the market (aka, socialism).
The reason desktop PCs can be so standardized is how big they are. Tons of room for customized parts.
LOL, yeah. Capitalism.
The great socialist countries are way ahead with modular, standardized mobile handset components.
Everyone knows the longest-lived PC bus standards came out of the Soviet Union and North Korea in the 80s.
And large businesses worldwide are still running accounting software on the mainframe architecture China’s government developed in the 60s.
You do realize that computers and the internet were invented and developed by the government, right?
Essentially time and cost? Building such a Frankenstein-Phone would probably take you half a year to design the PCBs, get all the connections and power rails right, all the needed peripheral electronics for the chips. You’d need a lab and equipment do build it, and the mechanics and encasing. And probably some takes and failed iterations. And software and drivers also have to be rewritten and patched.
So I’d say if you have the expertise in electrical engineering, hardware design, embedded software programming… A 5 figure(?) sum of money for supplies and equipment and nothing to do in the next year… I’d say nothing is stopping you 😆
Well that seems like more effort than it’s worth… I figured the biggest issue would be fitting it into the phone, but that sounds like least of the worries.
Right. I mean these things are really complex, usually not made to be repaired (i.e. modular) and lots of things are purpuse built to fit in that small form factor. Components are scattered around because there was some space left somewhere on a PCB and some components share a purpose, which makes it difficult to entangle the electronics…
And it’s always difficult to compete with mass-manufactured products. I like to tinker with electronics or build things at home. I learn a lot of things while doing it. And I get things that are unique and built spefically for my purposes… But usually they’re not cheap(er) than mass produced products, because I don’t buy supplies in bulk and it takes me days to build one thing while a production line can pump ot thousands of devices in the same timespan.
And I ocassionally repair (household) devices or just take apart broken ones for shits and giggles… And some of them immediately look like they just aren’t meant to be repaired or modified. Some components like a phone screen, camera or even the backlight or power supply of a broken flat screen TV can be messed with. But it usually ends with complicated PCBs. You can replace broken components (if you got the correct tools), but you can’t really change much about them without going through an laborious process of reverse-engineering and maybe designing a whole new PCB (from scratch). Which makes sense for smaller projects, but it’s just not feasible for complex devices like phones/laptops/TVs that aren’t meant to be repaired. Or where every design choice contradicts serviceability like with phones and cramming everything into the small slab.
There isn’t, like, a standard like there is for PCs. Everything is custom made for that thing except the microchips themselves. And taking those off and just slapping them on a different board isn’t that simple.
I would love it if they were like a PC though. Build my own phone with this screen and that CPU/GPU, configurable RAM, etc. Why they don’t do that, though? Greed.
Packing all tbose differently sized parts into a tiny form factor is very different from comparably spacious computer cases. Then the power usage handling, and wiring, not to mention heat dissipation.
Not impossible, but being modular like that would increase the cost because doing that costs more in the context of a cell phone form factor. Enough that doing several models will keep the price point where people can afford them.
why aren’t we able to just make it more to our liking?
You are, but you have to figure out how to get it all to work together yourself. That means physically, electrically, and in software. All the things you listed are problems that need to be overcome. If you have the ability, you can do this, but you yourself have to do it or find someone who specializes in such particular work. Most people have neither the skills, time, or patience to do this.
As long as you’re not selling the phone afterwards I’d say the only thing stopping you would be the skill and knowledge required to do such a thing and the necessary tools.
Keep in mind most of the parts you’re talking about are to some extent proprietary and specifically designed not to be cross compatible, so that may be a big hurdle
You won’t have any of the electrical or protocol/register info or other data for any of the components unless you’re a manufacturer and most parts aren’t really salvageable separately but are essentially one big glob on the board. Even with the skills, you’d need to reverse engineer some of the most complex and hard to use components ever manufactured for consumer use and somehow fit them in places they were never meant to fit.
And yes, software. The board support for the SOC, mostly. Maybe starting off with a pinephone or something might help, but I doubt even that is open and usable enough.
The most modular phone right now, which you can open yourself and replace parts with just a screw driver, is the FairPhone. And even that one, you can scavenge parts from older models of the same brand, because the connectors don’t fit. There’s very little space left inside a modern phone.
We should have the right to repair our phones. Imagine if you could never upgrade new parts into your desktop because of a corporation
Steps are being taken in the right direction. The US has also been making progress, which I’m sure will continue if America doesn’t give up on itself next month.
That said, it’s not nearly enough. As long as the focus is on innovation and growth rather than sustainability, and consumers don’t really give a fuck, it’s going to be difficult to see any change.
But I’m very happy with my Fairphone, and my next laptop will no doubt be a framework. Baby steps.
FairPhone did dip their toes into upgradability with the FP3+ which was basically the same as the FP3 with upgraded camera modules. So people who bought the FP3 were able to buy just the new cameras instead of the whole phone. Unfortunately, the FP4 and FP5 are both again not backwards compatible. Hopefully they start focusing more of maintaining the same design for longer.
Software.
All of this stuff is usually fit onto a single board, crammed into a very specific amount of space, and is thoroughly and iterated until it works properly. This isn’t the kind of stuff a home lab does, but you could certainly try. I think it would be damn near impossible to do it better and more reliably than teams of hundreds or thousands of various engineers. It’s not like you can just take a phone CPU and slap it on a random board without a ton of forethought.
Don’t forget about device drivers. I can’t even install a newer version of Android on my Android phone because the community never managed to get the antenna to work after upgrading the OS.
I’d say that I could do it for you, even, given sufficient effort, time and money. However, it would be the size of a shoebox. And don’t you dare open that shoebox or else all the parts are going to come falling out.
One time I took apart my Nintendo DS. I broke my Nintendo DS.
Another time I took apart my PS2 controller. I broke my PS2 controller.
Now you want me to scrap parts from a phone, and build from scratch??? Aw hell naw!!!
Form factor, mostly.
Imagine you like the shape of the front of a Mini Cooper and the rear of a Ford mustang. You could take the paneling from the interior of a rolls Royce and the seats from a Lamborghini and make a really cool car.
Unfortunately, unlike modern standard PCs, phones are individually designed and built and even models in the same range can’t use each other’s parts or software.
Each component is designed to work with each of the other components and just slapping them together doesn’t necessarily make a new working product.
