• Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    US is system is so bad. The constant pandering to “founding fathers” as if it’s even possible to have strong enough vision that it would last 200+ years and refusal to innovate past the ridiculous two party system is just sad tbh.

    Yet nothing will change because you can’t change these things without a revolution apparently.

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      4 months ago

      Part of that joke though is that they’re both exactly the same which is of course a false premise.

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        4 months ago

        Well I was posting it more to the point of the I am sure wave of people saying “Well I voted for the Dems” is fast approaching.

  • Wolfram@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I can’t tell you how much faith I’ve lost in the average person in America, especially compared to how… ok, I guess, the last election went and how tight, or possibly over this one is.

    I can’t fathom how fucking stupid anyone would have to be to elect this orange piece of shit that has been upping the dangerous rhetoric constantly. America is broken and it isn’t worth fixing, especially not for the morons that somehow get him elected again. I just hope that I can get to a point in my career that I can move elsewhere, maybe Ireland or New Zealand or something, fuck.

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      For real. The rest of the world needs to get their shit together and cripple the US. Cease all trades immediately, end all alliances with the US. The US has the largest military in the world, and now the facists have the reins entirely. They have the oval office, the have the house, they have the Senate and they have the supreme court. The entire world is going to suffer because of this election.

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        US politics have gone to dangerous direction for decades. Orange freak is only a symptom. US is gonna become Russia level cleptocracy and when climate crysis hits fully, world will be more separated and chaotic than ever.

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          Yeah, this recent election shows how far gone my country really is. But unfortunately it’s also the golden opportunity facists have been working towards for a long time.

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        There may not be any need for that.

        The United States, China, etc. all have trade policies that are fundamentally unsustainable and result in persistent trade imbalances.

        This causes all sorts of poor economic outcomes for large sectors of those countries. For example, an anaemic household sector in China and over investments in housing, huge private and public sector deficits in the United States, etc.

        In the free market world of Adam Smith and comparative advantage, persistent trade imbalances should not exist.

        Over the medium to long term, imports are meant to pay for exports.

        If there are persistent trade imbalances, it means there is persistent under consumption (China) or over consumption (United States).

        Note: This is not just limited to these countries.

        At some point, there is going to be an economic crisis because it can’t continue forever.

      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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        God you blue conservatives are ridiculous.

        You’d rather support the death of America over doing away with the two party system.

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          Go ahead and wait for the U.S. to implement a viable system. I’d bet it’ll be longer than our lifetimes before that even happens. And that’s ignoring what is probably the desire of keeping the status duo of a broken two party system like this.

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          Cool story, bro. How do you propose to do that? You got a magic wand? How many of those ballot initiatives failed this time around?

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          Bud id fucking love to get rid of the two party system. Personally I’ve been talking about it for fucking years. but that’s not gonna fucking happen.

          Go fuck yourself with this blue conservative bullshit.

  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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    If we had a more representative electoral system, more of the non voters would be engaged by the political process. More voters always has lead to more democratic votes.

    Why is the democratic party saying no to these easy extra votes when they fail to replace First Past the Post voting in states they control between elections?

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      “We won it last time! Why change now? Besides, proportion representation only leads to more parties and that’d mean we’d have to… cooperate.”

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        Heaven forbid we would have to compromise instead of ramming legislation only we like through to pass.

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    You guys should have listened to Thomas Paine, the only founding father with a clue and a set of principles.

    Topical.

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        • political institutions should promotoe individual rights and social equality
        • critqued organized religion
        • the government should serve the people
        • wrote the famous line “These are the times that try men’s souls” during civil war
        • people have the inherit right to reform and/or dismantle oppresive goverments
        • all individuals possess inalienable rights (human rights basically)

        That’s what I gather from his wiki and some chatgpt queries. Never heard of him before (not an american) but honestly — I’m a big fan now.

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          Sounds nice enough, but not really like an outsider position among the Founding Fathers. OP seemed to be saying that Paine differed substantially from the others in some way, which I would be interested to learn about (not American either, I only have cursory knowledge of the Founding Fathers).

          • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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            Paine was far more radical than the rest of them, and wrote scathing critiques of them that caused him to become extremely unpopular before he died.

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          Didn’t all the founding fathers and every president since then say all of the above?

          We need to praise people more by what they do, than what they say I reckon

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    4 months ago

    I think the next Lemmy Shitpost on this should be something on US Republicrazy due to the direction this election went.

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    Now is time for the “well, if we don’t develop it first, the bad guys will” superpower to show itself off, I guess.

  • jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Kind of feels like our “crossing the Rubicon” moment. Except instead of an intellgent and accomplished general leading an army, we got a clown leading a circus.