The Left is doing it wrong.

We need to stop calling it the green New Deal; and call it the Patriot Power Act.

We’re not trying to go green or “Woke”. No! We’re making ’Merca energy independent! We’ll stop importing oil from the tourist countries! And be energy self sufficient!

—BRANDING!!

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    Or…stop defining everything as left/right and make things for people. Stop the divide, it’s what ‘they’ want.

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      Yes. I was amazed that anyone was able to make a vaccine political.

      And some of the other kookiness from Qanon and similar really makes me wonder about the mental health of the general public.

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        It’s when I started looking for answers on mass psychosis. I’m still unclear on the how.

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            Interesting you mentioned that. Salem witch trials, Jonestown, Raelians were mentioned. Not all victims of the inquisition/witch trials were, some were accused for vexing the wrong person. I can’t imagine some issue didn’t plague most suicide or even murder cults’ members. The perpetrators would seem to fit criteria for psychopaths.

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            It’s not just Russia. Governments propagandize their own, including Western ones. Recall Snowden, Assange, Manning, and with the help of “reputable” news. False flags. I think now we’re just to the point where any sane person doubts most of what they hear and should doubt most of what they see. But we crave order and cling to the narrative that seems to make the most sense to our own minds’ peculiarities. Some are certainly closer to true than others but there are a lot of politicians throwing rocks and hiding hands. As I said elsewhere: absolutely everything is based on money and appearances.

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              The media is full of all types of “news” but people don’t seek out and objectively analyze truth, they seek “news” and “science” that fits their preconceived notions and parade it around as truth.

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        I was in Barnes and noble today and there’s a whole bookshelf in the new non-fiction section from a bunch of conservative personalities with crazy books about trusting Q, knowing how to believe in Q, how Biden has ruined America but trump will return and save us, all sorts of delusional shit.

        The mental capacity of the general public has always been poor because there are some extremely dumb and gullible skewing it from just basic people, these grifters selling these delusional books and ideas is what’s making this worse. Being allowed to call your political opponents demons and saying your leaders are all chosen by god on high should be banned in political discourse

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      Well the unfortunate part of that is it isn’t working and a solid 30% of the population will just call you ‘woke’ and ignore you for saying it.

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      Stop the divide, it’s what ‘they’ want.

      You’re sending some conflicting signals, my Mac

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        Companies are not people, so no…I’m not.

        Political agendas are also not human, so again I’m still not.

        You’re one of those that love to cause divide.

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      That sounds nice but, much like the name for these bills, it’s not reality.

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        Keep on going. You’re good at this.

        Next, try to come up with suitable branding for teaching stem literacy and critical thinking.

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          You mean “Gun Manufacturing” (Mechanical Engineering), “Bunker Building” (Civil Engineering), “Things Hitting Things” (Physics), “Explosives, Toxins, and Poisons” (Industrial Chemistry), “DIY Alternative Medicine” (Pharmaceutical Chemistry), “Owning the Libs” (Law), “Ripping off the IRS” (Taxation and Accounting), “How to be Offensive” (Language theory, reading/writing comprehension), “How to win at Gambling” (Mathematics, Statistics) “Why Libs Think Like Pussies” (Philosophy), “War” (Geography, Geo-politics, International Studies).

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      It’s those libtards and their hot air. Let’s use that nonsense to power good old ‘Murican homes and factories

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    Democrats suck at branding.

    Private companies do not, though: https://www.sempersolaris.com/

    Veteran owned, uses made in America parts, offers military discounts and they have a program where they do free installs for struggling vets.

    Their tagine is “declare your independence from the power company”

    I interviewed for a job with them once and they actually sounded very competent too

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      Maybe they’re good at branding, but they suck at marketing.

      If your product exists, fills a niche, solves a problem, and is the right price, but no one is buying it, then you suck at marketing.

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    Patriot Power is real, and it really sucks. It’s the solar power offerings through 4Patriots, weak-ass off-brand Chinese batteries & weak, overpriced solar panels. The only good things 4Patriots offers is survival food & sun kettles.

    There are plenty of people on the right who would love energy independence, but problems include cost, infrastructure, and implementation. I’m team solar panel/nuclear power, but every few years…the solar panel tech gets way better than it EVER was. So when is the right time to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars?? It’s just now starting to get really good.

    Wind turbines are also getting much better. And it’s about damn time.

    The biggest financial problem is energy storage solutions, spend $5-10K per battery, and have it lose 40% of its effectiveness after 5 years?? Yeah, no thanks, I’m not an idiot.

    But we’re coming up with (ACTUAL, WORKING, COST-EFFECTIVE) solutions for that problem, too. Sand, gravity, and waterfall batteries.

    All this to say, the technology is just now starting to get serious traction & legs under it. ¯\(°_o)/¯ It’s not ready…until it’s ready. The ‘greenest’ things we can do, right now, involve reducing our usage & upping our efficiencies (via new windows/doors, insulation). That’s the smart money.

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      I just heard about gravity “batteries” that involve lifting concrete blocks to store potential energy, then dropping them to generate electricity with a turbine. It’s probably the most interesting thing I’ve heard of in a while and such a clever way to store energy without needing a battery.

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        The math doesn’t really work out for gravity batteries. A fifteen ton block dropping 100 feet releases about a kwh of energy.

        Or you could just have $150 worth of lithium batteries.

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          This. Thanks for doing the math. The only way it makes any real sense is if you a have geographical features that can store the energy. Ie right near a mountain and a large body of water high up. And even with that, it often only makes economical sense at exsisting dams where you can pump the water back into the reservoir and the generation systems is already paid for and in place.

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        Yes. And it works.

        It’s called a Dam.

        The catch is we spend 0 energy on the upstream water.

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        Energy storage is THE issue…. You want to be a billionaire? Figure that out.

        Pumped hydro, is great, but there are very few places where it is feasible

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          there are many nifty ways to do it. i like molten silicon for example https://silbat.com

          but how about shift in perspective? if you want to get in on all renewable power source, maybe it’s you who should adjust power consumption a little bit instead? fortunately most of energy used is used up for heating, and you can plug all excess energy into heater, store energy in big barrel of water for all your heating needs, and skim electrical power when available + maybe batteries as a higher priority

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            if you want to get in on all renewable power source, maybe it’s you who should adjust power consumption a little bit instead?

            What makes you think they haven’t already?

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              in some places energy for individual customer is cheaper at night, but the real deal is with large industrial power consumers, like arc furnaces or aluminum smelting plants. these things have special arrangements that allow grid operator to regulate some % of power in return for cheaper energy, either by remote control or on schedule. in principle the same thing could work for thousands to millions of water heaters, making it work like a large, one way “battery” soaking up peaks in energy production

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      but do you need stored large amounts of electric energy? most of energy use is in form of heat for space heating and hot water, and for storage of that all you need is big barrel with multiple heat exchangers (coiled pipes + baffles). put in heat from solar concentrators, heat pump maybe, furnace and you’re good in all situations

      problems only really begin if you want to start up welder on cold winter night

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        problems only really begin if you want to start up welder on cold winter night

        or try to cook dinner on your induction stove. A good hot water storage should reduce the need for electrical power storage but won’t eliminate it

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      when is the right time to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars??

      Yesterday

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      The government used to invest in such things for their citizens but I guess a well-educated, fed, homed citizenry isn’t considered a good roi anymore, not to mention adequately staffed public care facilities. Yes i know i heard about what Biden and nursing homes. Funny thing is, that was the norm thirty years ago, and restaurant employees got a free meal. If they worked a shift and other things we don’t have anymore, because regulation is Satan and fu they got theirs, and the dollar went further. I keep seeing blaring ads about government assistance for solar panels but they seem sus.

      Maybe see what you find online, but will you be charged for not using your energy provider?

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        So here’s the deal, in a nutshell:

        I’m afraid if I “go public” with my goddamn private solar energy setup, AKA I opt into a grid tie-in deal where I feed my excess electric back into the grid, I pay extra for setup. And IIRC my electric provider charges monthly for the “privilege” of tie-in. And these are just the devils we know about! I take the money, I subject my system & my property to scrutiny from third party companies & my state, who knows what stupid shit they might come up with & force onto me.

        The best, simplest, cleanest solution I can think of is to privately install enough renewable energy to power my home. And a robust energy storage system that can power my needs when the sun isn’t shining, wind isn’t blowing, etc.

        IIRC my electric provider charges $10 or $20, monthly, whether you use their electric or not. <=$240 annually? I call that a small price to pay for energy independence with the insurance of an established electric provider able to take over if system(s) fail.

        Alternatively, if renewable energy production/STORAGE options become better & more reasonable in cost, just overbuild like hell & go fully off-grid. Discontinue electric service. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It’s tempting…had a blackout just last night. 😂

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        Forgot to address the gov assist stuff, it’s legit actually, but it’s not exactly the boon normies think it is. So you buy & install solar, with evidence, you document everything & jump through all their little hoops. When you meet their requirements, you’re given a 30% or whatever ‘credit’ on your federal income taxes. Which isn’t exactly free money, but it’s better than a kick in the head & it’s rewarding you for going solar.

        Now you wanna talk fucking sus??? All those third-party solar installers, namely, those that “will install for free” or “costs you nothing out of pocket 🤗”. Those guys are sus as all hell. They’re predatory, they’re not trying to help you! Only enrich themselves. Again, IIRC, sometimes they take your gov’t tax credit money somehow. And/or they charge you monthly, or they take money/power you generate via the solar panels…I don’t trust any of it; you’re inviting random-ass people onto your property & they’re installing thousands of dollars in gear you don’t technically own, and you’re pressing your property into servitude until it’s “paid off” in 10, 15, 20 years. Don’t do it. Buy it, own it, get all the benefits for yourself.

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    You just have to tell them oil is dug up by brown people and solar is made by white people.

    I’m sure they can think up a new name for it themselves…

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    Immigrants don’t want you to have solar power. Especially brown people. I bet you can’t even fit a solar panel on your emotional support vehicle.

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      Solar power makes you indepenent. Obama can’t shut off your electricity during jade helm 2 if you produce it yourself.

      Plus, coal plants are putting chemicals into the air to feminize and chemically lobotomize alpha males.

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        Has anyone noticed how the total population of trans people tracks almost perfectly with adoption of industrialized economies? There must be a connection.

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    They already kinda do that, at least in my area. There’s a company that advertises on AM radio called Semper Solaris and they go hard on the support the troops/vets angle with their sales pitch. It’s pretty cringe, but it must work because they keep their advertisements running pretty much every commercial break. Not that you need to try very hard to convince a Californian to get solar panels installed on their roof. “Make the sun pay your entire electric bill” is also pretty effective advertising.

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    Seriously though, the German liberal party (FDP) has dubbed renewable energy “freedom energy”.

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    Would absolutely work in USA.

    The word patriot is like a button for mind control.

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      It’s true. I hear those geese didn’t get a visa when they came here from Canada.

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    The issue isn’t in the name. The issue is that a lot of people just don’t even want to know what any of this is, and blindly voting for something is bad, no matter how you look at it.

    Screaming “woke” at everything is a cultural/educational issue, so I’d rather see resources being spent on that

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      Thanks. Actually it was my son’s idea. Watching the R debate one of the ads was for a solar batteries backup generator… And we could not stop laughing that it was the Patriots power!