This project is baffling
don’t judge until you’ve seen the dynamic cloth physics! that is what everyone wants, right?
I actually will only play a game with realistic sweat and tears. Oh, they are hard at work on that?! Well FINALLY, I’m SO fucking glad. Thank you SO much, Robert’s Space Industries. You guys are definitely NOT complete hacks.
I paid for star citizen a decade ago and honestly enjoyed it enough for about 2 days. It always felt exciting to see how ahead they were of early Xbox 1 / PS4 games in their scope with volumetric effects etc.
The trouble is, 90% of their innovative content has been long overtook by general game progression, they’re making a game that could have probably launched with the PS5 and been innovative and are already falling behind there. I genuinely believe that they were Innovating their game slowly over time and there were amazing things in the works, but they missed the moment that it was exciting and new by so many years.
I’ve been part of some amateur game dev projects and SC has the vibe of an amateur project where the devs are constantly focusing on whatever catches their fancy at the moment, going back and tinkering with things they’ve already made, and sort of aimlessly scope creeping. There’s nobody to strongarm them into writing, much less following a game design document.
All of that is initiative to me to understand.
Then there is “the dream” that is being sold to people who want this type of game. That level of very specific fandom is also easy to understand, at least from a distance. People get super into all kinds of games and spend outsized amounts of money and time.
Star Citizen is like the perfect storm of these elements.
If you don’t know what you want except a nebulous dream, you can’t tell that you’re dissatisfied with what you actually have, and don’t realize that what you’re doing isn’t actually getting you anything. This applies to both the devs and the fans.
I have a friend who is obsessed with it. I asked him if it was a money laundering scheme. He agreed its the most likely situation.
I literally cannot think of a worse way to launder money then an extremely high profile public crowdfunding campaign.
That and they release their financial reports every year…
The people in this thread are astoundingly hateful idiots that are just doing the groupthink thing to be part of a group that lets them feel “smarter than you.” It’s really disappointing to see this every time star citizen is mentioned, but I’ll just continue to enjoy it and then welcome all these people when it’s completed as they suddenly stop hating on it because it isn’t fashionable anymore.
A few of my guildmates play SC as well and they try to get other people to play, but every time an open period happens, the servers always shit the bed with instability and the play experience for the new player is awful.
It’s so funny trying to hear them rationalize bad servers and inability to do basic things as just part of the experience.
to be fair, its issue is that they literally have a whole flood of people trying the game, like 70%+ is people just trying the game then
It’s not like these free play periods are a surprise to them. They are in complete control of how hard their servers get pounded and when.
sure, but AWS only has so many servers ready to spin up at any one time
After a decade and an astronomical amount of money spent, this thing is still in pre-alpha. People have left school, got married, have kids, played and forgotten No Man’s Sky, Elite Dangerous, and now Starfield, and there is still no Star Citizen.
It’s time to accept that Star Citizen will NEVER be released, because what Chris Roberts is selling is “dream as a service” which can be anything you want it to be, and one that never has to end for as long as the “game” is still in development.
The moment an actual product is released is the moment the flow of money will stop.
I once saw a comment on a SC update video from a guy who claimed to have backed up SC as a teenager, went to college, entered the industry, was part of a team from start to shipping a video game. twice, and still SC is in pre-alpha. He said that now as a veteran of the industry he realizes that SC is a scam. Like, 99% of the stuff they hyped as their envelope breaking new tech for video games, has already been done by dozens of games at a fraction of the cost.
Do you happen to have a link? I’d be interested in reading more.
That’s not entirely true, if they ever went full release there’s still a fuck ton they can charge players for and milk. It’s just their Kickstarter that won’t make money anymore.
That being said you’re correct, they’ve essentially pioneered the concept of “Game Development as a Service” in the same way live service and early access games are doing now regularly.
Personally even if SQ42 launches I don’t think they’ll get the persistent universe up to their original vision for another ten years. They absolutely aren’t going to hit their 100 solar system metric from the 2011/12 era. I’d be surprised if there ends up being more than ten at launch, but it would surprise me even more if the game ever has an official launch at all.
What’s most likely is that this game will remain in early access Alpha forever, allowing it to shield itself from criticism while taking it’s sweet time constructing the game they said would release back in 2016 originally. That will allow them to justify keeping the Kickstarter open forever while also spending most of their time creating and selling new ships in a game that doesn’t even have gameplay loops for most of them. Then they’ll occasionally drop a new star system or loop to keep the hopes of players up.
This new dynamic server meshing technology they just showcased (at the tech demo level of complexity) is their only hope for making the game playable. The performance of the game isn’t due to stress on your rig as much as networking latency because their servers are overloaded. If they can scale it to the planetary, and eventually multi system level, then they might have something worth picking up. I’m not going to pay for it until that game exists, though. Which it probably never will.
You know you can literally play the game right now?
You can play an alpha build of an unfinished game.
Pre-alpha build. After more than a decade.
If Star Citizen is a person it would be starting junior high/middle school now.
The state of Star Citizen is right now is on par with a lot of games on “release.” This is as much an insult to the gaming industry in general as it is a compliment to Star Citizen.
it’s just a straight-up fact that games ARE more complex now than they used to be, you can recreate og DOOM in just a few weeks, but RDR2, a game that had a ready engine, and a lot of assets was already in development while the first RDR wasn’t out yet, that’s 8 years of straight up development
Technically true, you can play the current build of a game that’s been in perpetual development with distractive milestones continually added so as to distract you from the promises made in years past.
Wait, people are still dumping money into this?
It’ll release ANY DAY NOW. -The idiots that keep giving RSI money
It released years and years ago. You realize that, right? That it’s playable… and people like it?
No it entered into alpha about 10 years ago. Not even beta, it’s alpha, there is barely any gameplay to it.
I’ve seen grey box proof of concept pieces with more functionality
A lot had changed in 10 years lmao
No it didn’t.
Uh oh looks like you are not following the hive mind of the sub! It’s sad but funny how little people know about SC but still insist they know its a scam when all they know is what they read from hit piece articles. I can’t wait for sc 4.0 server meshing is such a game changer
how dare you come to our echo chamber with your “facts”, we need to repeat the clickbait headlines and nothing else!
The game is not released.
I think it has turned into a sunk cost fallacy for so many now. They put so much money into it they can’t afford for it to fail/not continue.
Why is it so hard for people to imagine that there are players who like the game as it is and see value in buying ships? After 10 years of development, people have a pretty good idea of what they are getting into.
If people were smart and had good ideas of what they were getting into, no scams would exist, ever.
lol
Sure, and people spend tons of money and time on gacha mobile games. Doesn’t mean that they haven’t been scammed.
But you could play it again in a new ship
As a day 1 backer i would like to offer my sincerest apologies.
I gave them my 45$ at the beginning and said call me when it’s done.
Do you have any nachos I can murder? Or at least beat up a little?
This is just like EVE Online for me - I am more interested in reading about the drama than the actual game itself.
I have a subscription for my skill queue even though I literally have no computer right now.
When I get back, I’m gonna be able to fly most of the heavy assault cruisers and armor logi!
Drama how you’re supposed to play EVE Online
Star Citizen is only available on a single platform too. At least Cyberpunk was multiplatform.
why should they care about consoles, exactly? Especially when we know that a bunch of licensing requirements from consoles are literally giving control of your project to Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo
It’s relevant because it’s the most expensive game ever, yet it only targets one platform. The second most (and others) can at least justify some of their expense because they’re targeting multiple platforms which does have a cost.
ok AND? the fact that it’s the most expensive game ever already clashes with the policy of publishing with console service providers, there are drawbacks beyond cost to porting software to console, and I will remind you that both Microsoft and Sony are Running AMD64_X86 architecture so porting isn’t the difficult part.
it’s not my fault if you fall for console ports justifying price.
Ok thanks for the reminder about something you clearly aren’t educated on.
Star Citizen fanboys, Jesus.
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Holy moly! Squaresoft really bet hard on FF7
If I had just made FF6 then I’d be pretty damn confident too
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Shenmue! Shenmue is on that list, wholly crap that almost as embarrassing the people here saying that the SCs fans are not being scammed. And anyone who thinks this is a scam must be brainwashed/part of a hivemind.
I dont have the energy to care about this game, just like I dont have the energy to care about George RR Martin or Patrick Rothfuss never finishing their products either.
Writers, no matter how good, are just regular people. I have much higher expectations and not as much patience towards a game studio with infinite money and no released games whatsoever in over a decade.
God damn fucking Patrick Rothfuss… What a beautiful story to likely never have an ending. Don’t read into it, anyone… Not unless he releases that last book.
Same. Until these things are physically in my hand I’ve got plenty of other stuff to get on with, what’s the point of wasting years chasing them. It’s the same with any marketing really, give me a title, pitch & release date, I’ll see you then.
JFC, I guess there’s a lot of suckers in the world
You don’t understand they released a cinematic trailer of slow moving scenery only shots that makes it game of the year.
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One was born every minute back in PT Barnum’s day; seems more like every millisecond these days.
Scam Citizen still hustlin
Stop giving these scam artists money.
I have no proof but I’m convinced it’s some sort of money laundering. Especially when they released the $30,000 DLC bundle to get everything
I think you’re probably right.
Why would they have over 500 employees? There’s plenty of valid complaints but why would they have so many employees if it was truly intended has vaporware?
Wtf
Chris Roberts hookers and blow fund isn’t going to fund itself y’know
I finally tried this game and holy shit is it terrible. The UI is janky and unintuitive. The movement is slow and stiff or sonic on crack and nothing in-between. The frame rate is terrible even on a decent machine with appropriate settings. Just overall a bad experience. I don’t care if it’s still “In development” get your fundamentals right before you go adding more shit.
People think you can slap on an “in development” sticker to anything and absolve it of all criticism.
I mean, there’s not a lot of incentive for them to change the way they operate…
This is exactly why “new” phones suck so hard these days. Why do good things when doing nothing is so profitable?
I am not proud to say I was an original backer, but luckily only for like 25 bucks.
It became clear after a year or two it was bascially vaporware. even if a product ever comes out it’ll not be what I backed originally, which was basically just Privateer TNG. So I stopped following the game, never played any of the tech demo’s and just shake my head warily when I see news articles like this. Bernie Madoff is in jail for basically the same thing. How can people still support this travesty.
Calling it vaporware is a bit silly they have over 500 employees and have tech nobody else has you can play right now. If you have an original package you can sell it on the gray market for much more than you paid for it. I understand it has had troubled development but you don’t know what you are talking about.
What does the number of employees have to do with not having a finished product while also being the highest funded game in history? By this logic I am sure since FTX had 650 employees they must be all above board, if that was all some ponzi scheme they why the staff?
troubled development
This is the biggest understatement of the year.
you don’t know what you are talking about
EXCUSE me? I was an original backer, I know EXACTLY what I backed. If you like what Star Citizen is doing then enjoy yourself. But do not tell me what was promised to me and what is being delivered now has ANY bearing on each other. Beacuse it does not.
Are you aware they had a backer vote on the direction of the game? It was on if they were going to have stretch goals after the original KS pitch. 94% of the votes went to changing the game into something bigger (more features added). I understand it sucks for people that wanted the smaller more realistic game but they lost the vote. And again you can sell your ship for more than you paid, sometimes way way more. Should they have ignored the vote that was that overwhelming?
I dumped $60 into this like… 12 years ago I think? I knew it was a Chris Roberts scam but was willing to take a chance on modern freelancer.
How the fuck are people still pumping money into this? How is this not been exposed as a government or criminal front?
You guys are delusional. There is no scam. They have a feature complete game and are entering refinement.
Where?
I’m guessing they’re referring to Squadron 42.
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It’s depressing to know that it’s actually apparently more profitable to never really release a game than to release one and it be moderately popular
