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What this shows us is that more people are joining lemmy, but even more people are either leaving or going into lurker mode, as Lemmy only counts people who have commented or posted in that time period as active users, whereas most social media counts any activity while logged in as active. You have to realize that people who use reddit as Google search results don’t usually interact with the content there and most won’t even make an account.
On the upside, with fewer people, it’s easy to get noticed here just by contributing good content since you don’t really get drowned out here because of the democratic upvote based sorting instead of black box personalized recommendation algorithms. So with relatively low amount of effort, you can make sure your content is being seen instead of relying on analytics and metrics.
The last thing to in mind that Lemmy is only one aspect of ActivityPub, and Mastodon’s growth is currently the highest right now because of the ecosystem created by the whale fall of Twitter, which indirectly grows Lemmy as Mastodon users can post directly to federated Lemmy communities.
I just got recommended this site after posting on reddit re: predatory algos and the necessary regulations needed to protect people and how algos have manipulated the UX so much its disrupted the originally intended purposes; ie insta has effectively become a marketing and advertising platform.
So in response someone suggested finding alternatives to the popular social media sites and used Lemmy as an example.
I have been loving it thus far - its old school reddit.
this is my first comment on lemmy!
Welcome! So far, in my experience, this is a much friendlier community that… many of the alternatives.
Welcome! So far, in my experience, this is a much friendlier community that… many of the alternatives.
Usually. There’s definitely some who want to take their pound of flesh out of you when you disagree with them on something, but overall not so bad.
I disagree strongly with that opinion but respect you as a lemming
Fair enough. My perspective in the last day or two tells me otherwise, but I’m glad you’re having a great experience.
There’re always going to be hotheads and bad faith actors in any platform, but I have noticed it is much more rare here on Lemmy. Much less vitriol as well.
Agreed on it being old school reddit! There are some UI wrappers that make it look and feel like old school reddit that I use and love you might enjoy. The wrapper is called mlmym and is open source. There are a few hosts you can use, I use this one: https://o.opnxng.com
OMG thank you so much! holy amazing.
Check out https:old.lemmy.world for an old reddit lime experience.
https://old.lemmy.world is like old reddit.
Fuck you! Hello.
Do votes count as activity as well? Or just posts and comments?
It really should.
Strong agree
I can see the arguments for both, to be honest. Ideally I’d like to be able to see statistics for both. Active Users and Active Contributors?
You can already see how many posts and comments users make. Isn’t that the same?
Well, as mentioned that is also covered by the Monthly Active Users metric that already is available. But in addition to that, I think it would be interesting to see the number of users who read and vote but don’t post or comment. Even though posting and commenting is the biggest part, actively voting is still an important part of the ecosystem.
True, could be nice to see data on content consumers, and not just the content creators.
I changed the algorithms in programming.dev to take into account voters in the activity. Since stats are all calculated locally you can view any community from programming.dev to get the monthly active users including that change
e.g. https://programming.dev/c/technology@lemmy.world shows 27.8k users/month on p.d which is almost as much as the value here for all of lemmy excluding voters
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !technology@lemmy.world
*edit: so, that seems to not have worked in the Boost app. Is it a link for anyone else?
vintagela@lemmy.world
That doesn’t seem to make a hyperlink either.
That’s crazy! User/month goes from only 7.5k active to 27.8k. And that’s just people voting. What about people who only read a post?
Dont have access to those stats in the database so adding on voting is the best I can do
Theres a post read table but its only people who have explicitly marked something as read and is way less than the post likes
Do posts get marked as read when you read the comments? There’s the x new comments feature, so something must be storing that timestamp.
I dug through the code and turns out the post read table does store when its read (with number of comments when it was read stored in a person post aggregates table), it just only stores it for people from your instance so I cant get accurate numbers from all of lemmy (and why it seemed like there was a low amount)
Agreed. Lurkers are what keep these sites alive.
Votes unfortunately don’t count
There seemed to be an influx of reddit users but probably didn’t like Lemmy’s own distinct user base (*nix users for example)
I am kind of glad it settled down because I much prefer Lemmy over reddit
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What did you call me???
That you are a magnificent bastard!!
We can be if it makes your experience better!! Watch!
Dizzirron I bet you don’t even use Linux!
People are way angrier here than in Reddit, because in Reddit, mods usually clean up the angriest people from the whole platform.
r/all is literally astroturfed hate every other post for multiple years at this point, and its not going to be moderated any time soon
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*dissent
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thanks margot robbie
That’s esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
Diane Diane what now??
Damn, I’d better keep commenting, I usually just lurk/vote
Someone posted metrics for how many users vote. 131k.
halfyear includes people trying out different instances; monthly shows just the one(s) they settled on
11 million comments this month. 11 million comments from people smart enough to leave behind the other. 11 million comments, likely largely from actual humans.
Lemmy is thriving.
Plot twist: It’s all piped.video bot.
lol ive never clicked a piped link even once
I did, once. It didn’t work.
Google’s shareholders appreciate your contribution.
Yepp, that user was my first and only block ever. Yes, we get it. YT bad, Piped good. It was so annoying.
I didn’t completely leave behind reddit. I still view, but I only comment/post on lemmy.
I’m similar, but I occasionally crosspost Lemmy posts to Reddit to try and drive more traffic here :)
Figured anything lemmy related was still getting nuked on reddit.
Most of us do :)
I don’t care that the fediverse has a ton of traffic. It may not have the most users, but it definitely has the best
I much much prefer the niche community here. Much less shit to have to wade through (see: came here to say this x 100000 per post) to get to the good comments and posts
@Pregnenolone yeah I haven’t seen a single “this is the way” comment chain since I got here.
I’ve seen a few but fortunately they’re rare and they are often downvoted or ignored
This.
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Came here to say this!
Lemmy doesn’t have boosting. …I should check out KBin sometime, also because of the better Mastodon integration
I’d highly recommend it. The dev has been on an #improvement rampage lately. The future of the project seems bright.
Exactly. I don’t need the most users. The internet was better back when it wasn’t everybody.
People complaining about a loss of users are the same people that will complain about performance issues next time there is a huge influx of users that stresses the infrastructure for popular instances.
I’m way less mad about Kbin having issues than I ever was at Reddit
so there was a wave of sign ups with the Reddit drama, and then people got bored. the graph looks about right to me.
Uh-huh
Still, Lemmy probably ended up with more people than before. Also, hey, I came from Reddit drama
I came over from the Reddit drama as well.
I also came from reddit during the drama.
Cows are underrated! Got any cool cow facts?
(I also emerged as a result of the reddit drama.)
Cows can poop up to 15 times a day, which equals to 29.5kg of poop every day.
Yo same!
Yep. Makes sense
Growth always comes in waves and then settles. I spent nearly a decade on reddit until they killed my app. Reddit took over a decade to become really big. I’m not really that worried for lemmy that much, especially since we now have a framework for something other than reddit. Even if reddit goes into nosedive mode, it won’t be the end of forums as we know it.
Lurker here. Just writing this as my first ever comment to push those numbers.
Bump
Right.
Fuck you. Welcome.
Got to admit, this made me chuckle.
Ghmmm hmmm hmmm. bump.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Got pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
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I dont get the hysteria, personally.
I came here to escape the crowds, not migrate with them.
Once a site gets too popular it gets normified and it just becomes nothing but reposts, in-jokes and low effort crap.
Reddit’s appeal was never in the popular subs, but in the long tail. Forget about the dozen subreddits with million+ subscribers, what made it interesting is the thousands of subs with a few hundred active users.
You also have to realize that Reddit would squash popular communities that weren’t as advertiser friendly. Which led to the larger (bad) communities.
What hysteria?
Here’s the thing though… I’ve been on Reddit for over a decade before Lemmy, and whilst there may be less interaction the interactions themselves have been far more sincere. People are more willing to engage, and even with this random comment there’s a chance someone would comment below.
The community feel of Lemmy is something, at least I’ve found, Reddit had lost a very long time ago.
Sort of a quality Vs quantity thing I guess?
It doesn’t matter. I get all my news here and I can comment if I want. That’s enough
If reddit taught me anything, it’s that a growing network isn’t necessarily a good thing.
A dying one is generally worse though.
Infinite growth ruins everything. A smaller community is better.
Meh, lemmy is already interesting enough to kill time and past that I don’t care
First of all, rooting for decentralized net 100%. Watching Tumblr, Reddit, Twitter, etc. all get screwed over from the top down sucks. I really appreciate the strong community here - having it smaller and more engaging encourages participation and makes it feel a little more human.
However, I’m considering leaving Lemmy just because somehow it’s even more cynical than reddit, and I’m losing interest in opening the app if it’s just 99% downers. I mean almost every article is just crushingly bad news. The world is in a rough state for sure, and staying informed is really important! But trying to live on and find the good is near impossible here.
(Yes, I’m subbed to upliftingnews. That’s the 1%.)
Is this a demographics thing, or am I just subbed in all the wrong places? Maybe a bit of both?
Also so many Linux memes
Seriously Linus memes must have 20k of the remaining 35k users.
Put a Linux filter on and lemmy gets better.
I’ve been doing my best to add content. I’m currently working on a book review, a video game review, and a Battletech post. Unfortunately posts like that take time and are outpaced by the tempo of news articles and resulting arguments within.
If you want a more positive experience you should unsubscribe from all the news & politics stuff. Trust me, when you click on “frontpage all”, it will be there. No reason to also have it in your subscribe feed. Go into the creative communities and at the very least comment. Give some feedback, and ideally add something of your own. Lemmy is too small to simply expect content to exist without adding some of your own.
@setsneedtofeed this! We are building something here. Not sure where you post but I’m adding you to my follows so I’ll see your OC.
You could just add cat memes instead
I’m also posting faster low effort stuff, but I really want posts with some meat to them.
Sub to a bunch of hobby communities and browse only those rather than the “all” content if you want to get rid of the doom. You’re gonna have lesser content to consume, for sure, but that’s just a bonus in my book.
I blocked all the news communities for this reason. Just go down your feed and look at the name of the community and if the post or community isnt what you want to see or interested in than block it. Ive been doing that and my feed has improved dramatically. Theres only so much depressing stuff im willing to expose myself to, some people get off on the emotional charge seeing that kind of news, not me though.
I think you’re right. I spend way less time here than on reddit, because the content just sucks in comparison. And I don’t need to waste my time explaining to someone from hexbear why they are completely lost
The sort of people with the moral height to migrate to decentralized platforms are also, likely, the sort of people to be realists – the world is fucked, hiding from the truth doesn’t make it go away.
And just reading about it doesn’t either… being informed is important but letting negativity consume your world view isn’t healthy or productive, it’s just angsty.
Well said.
Part of that truth is also that there is positive news out there, more than people are necessarily aware of, but OPs very valid point is you rarely find that discussed on Lemmy. And when it is brought up people take great delight in torpedoing it. That’s not realistic, that’s defeatist doomerism.
I dunno why people dislike your take - I think it’s spot on.
Spend so time on Risa. We’re a big ball of love! And Star Trek memes!
Bit of both! I like the aquarium sub here. I also get really sick of the same bad news over and over again. Especially since a lot of the sources are…not reliable sources… I generally stick to stuff like conversation subs gardening, gaming, etc.
It’s a capitalism thing. It’s a race to the bottom, and the system is winning.
I think more serious and organic discussion isn’t necessarily going to be positive all the time.
For anybody interested, the monthly active users including voters is
131,150(131k)The one in the graph only takes into account people who have made a post or comment
Edit: The halfyear active users including voters is
253,166(253k)That engagement ratio is super high when you look at it this way. 118k-ish posters/commenters and 131k total users? Damn. Good job Lemmy.
The 118k is half year aka 6 months
The one around 35k is month
Still though - like I know it was boosted by the reddit exodus and so the 6mos stats are inflated, but still not too shabby.
I didn’t realize commenting was an important metric. I check lemmy everyday but rarely have something useful to say.
This is a great metric-explainer. What impressive numbers. Now we really know how successful this migration has been.
Ooh, that’s my preferred global population! That’s a good sign!
Now that I’ve goten addicted to the block feature, I’m probably never going back to reddit. Dont like the content from specific servers while I’m browsing the top pages? Block, they stop existsing. Find myself getting baited into low effort arguements? Block and move on. I feel faaaarrr less stressed out lately
I feel the same way, my block list is massive. The app I use to browse, the lemmy version of Boost, also has a word filter option too, which isn’t on the desktop browser interface (I don’t think), so I can block names of certain people and current event incidents I’m not interested in seeing any more, without needing to block communities or users. It only works when the post actually has the words in the title, so ironic memes slip through all the time, but its better than nothing.
Oohh, that sounds pretty good! I’m a bit of an old man when it comes to apps though and try to avoid them unless absolutely necessary, that might tempt me into looking into some of the lemmy apps though!
Zoomed out graph including some months before the join wave
Users/month are relatively stable now at 33x users/month compared to pre join wave (users/month is people who have posted or commented)
BAD GRAPH, Y-AXIS STARTS AT 20K
Yeah, the Y-axis really needs at least a break.
What would starting at zero add besides another row that is unused?
The ability to eyeball how many times less users there are
