“When you’re used to feeling on top, equality feels like oppression.”

I have a conservative leaning (they mostly call themselves libertarian) who aren’t exactly pro Trump, but anti liberal.

I find it extremely weird how anti Trans they are, considering they’re accepting of homosexuals in a “sure, whatever, doesnt bother me” and “might have an acquaintance or two that are gay” kind of way. But the idea of Trans people existing somehow threatens their children really is prevalent in that group.

They grew up in an environment where gay acceptance was pushed hard in school and society, and they seem to be on board because of it. But changing ones own genitalia somehow bypasses all of those lessons.

It’s maddening how they fall for this rage bait bullshit that their media pushes.

men I knew who grew up going to church feel displaced by their traditional view being eroded by things like LGBT, gender identity questions, and changing of the times in general.

Sounds like they have shitty takes and I’m real tired of having to cater to them lest they shoot up another school.

The question is does that matter at all in the grand scheme of things or should these voters feel slighted

Whether these voters feel slighted or not is immaterial. These indictments and trials are absolutely necessary, if we want to show that there are consequences for attempting to subvert the peaceful transition of power. The voters already feel slighted. They may never have faith in our political system again—and that is a them problem rather than an indictment of the system. There can be no in between in this case.

Should Trump be convicted, I think it will alienate a group of voters into full disbelief of the existing system.

Good? Our existing systems across the board are entirely fucked. Straight white men generally benefit the most from these systems and have generally continued to turn a blind eye to these problems, as it’s easy when you’re in the “winning” position. If this somehow wakes them up, maybe we can actually fix something.

As a cis male, I swear that I took a totally different perspective from watching media like Boosom Buddies and Mrs. Doubtfire in my youth. I am sure their perspective is not at all totally reinforced by the propaganda apparatus of the right wing media gaslighing for decades about the “culture war”. They already felt alienated because they took the lie that Biden stole the election hook, line, and sinker, despite countless court cases being thrown out and FOX News settling to cough up $800m over their lies. They can’t come to reality. Justice is independent of their delusions, and should be a nonfactor if Trump is found guilty in a court of law.

men I knew who grew up going to church feel displaced by their traditional view being eroded by things like LGBT, gender identity questions, and changing of the times in general. While the women I know who even often date these men the opposite; they feel more comfortable being accepting of everyone by default.

this makes sense - these men were at the top of the food chain and hearing about equality and seeing change threatens their identity because who are they if they’re not at the top? the women on the other hand know what it’s like to be marginalized and so are more empathetic and open about other marginalized groups.

i expect the vast majority of those men will not give up/question their identity. they will kick and scream as the world continues to change. tbh, i’m glad i’m not in their shoes. they feel a total loss of control, and there’s not a damn thing they can do. emotionally it’s a really difficult place to be in.

Honey you know the wrong men. Broaden your social circle, there are a ton of men who aren’t on the trump train.

On the other side, there is a group of people who will lose faith in the system if he faces no consequences for his actions. Either way the outcome will be a defining moment for the US.

If Trump and those voters were not promoting violence, the case would be much stronger to consider them. Once you start openly calling for others to be harmed, you tread into requiring reform before consideration.

Well, Trump is “disbelief of the current system” (and in a few cases of reality), so that should fit right in!

Sounds like they are already alienated.

I think it will alienate a group of voters into full disbelief of the existing system.

I’d be even more interested to see how this affects whether or not they vote. A huge problem with the left is that the vast majority of liberals are so heavily disenfranchised (either through design, or simply because of the “my vote doesn’t matter” mentality) that they don’t vote. If the right suddenly feels the same “My vote doesn’t matter” pressure, then it could actually lead to democrats claiming seats that were formerly considered safe for republicans. It could go either way though, where the right suddenly feels more inclined to vote, simply to dig their heels in and prevent things from getting worse for conservatives.

So your saying that he shouldn’t be charged because it would make his fans sad? So general murders should remain free because incarceration would make their moms sad?

I can confirm most people like the idea of trump. They loke hearing teriffs, border security, the wall, bla bla bla. But explain how regular people pay teriffs and dont listen.