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Because Putin is bankrolling two or three minor political parties and the front runner of a major political party. That fucking anti-war protest in DC was the dumbest shit. Yeah let’s have two political parties that agree on absolutely fucking nothing except for hating Ukraine co-host an event where Ron Paul’s bitch ass makes up stories about how congresspeople told him that they needed to start a war to fix the economy while some limpdick tankie waves the Soviet flag around in the background
At this point I think he’s probably bankrolling a lot more than just the front runner.
We’ve known that for close to a decade now. Let’s not forget that a bunch of traitors spent July 4th in Moscow and that Paul Ryan said that trump and a few others in Congress were getting paid by russia
Most people posting as tankies today aren’t tankies.
As someone who has done extensive reading in modern Marxism, Rawlsian doctrine, anarchism both historical and modern, and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference), many of those posting as far leftists are coming from wholly self-constructed positions. They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.
They’re either deliberately playing the role of an agent provocateur or they’re people who have unwittingly become broadcast nodes with the same effect.
That’s… a tankie, at least functionally. If they’re spouting the propaganda, I don’t care where it came from or whether it’s officially certified as doctrine.
Zizek is the Jordan Peterson of the left.
Tankies on Lemmy are 100% right wing trolls pretending to be leftists. They aren’t even trying to hide it at this point.
A lot of us leftists also disavow tankies entirely, they don’t represent us.
One of them on chapotraphouse said “I’m gonna vote for Trump just so see the US finally burn to the ground” and I replied “horseshoe theory: confirmed” and the mods removed my comment lmao
I’ve had one case on lemmy.ml where they deleted many of my comments but kept the brigading comments responding.
There are definitely lines that some mods will defer to one side.
I opened accounts on multiple instances due to the instability (and information propagation dynamics) of individual ones. I figured “why not?” I had several Reddit accounts, after all, and it just seemed to make sense.
I thought lemmy.ml was for machine learning. The UI I was using didn’t include self-descriptions.
maoism-third worldism: an infantile disorder
Someone accused me of denying the Holocaust because I said Poland didn’t invade the Soviet union
I got a ban on Lemmy for “genocide denial” for saying the Russian invasion of Ukraine had traits of genocide.
These people are shockingly propagandized.
Crazy how tankies support Russia (despite them not even being communist, domestic abuse, treatment of gay people, and ties with conservatives). And are just okay with Russia killing entire villages of Ukraines because their supposed Nazi government (didn’t let a Russian puppet in government).
Ah, yes, the myth of “real Communism”.
and so on and so on (and yes that was a Žižek reference)
“And sho on” [sniff] “and sho forth.”
Unironically Zizek is very fascinating though.
Ehhhh not really. He’s alright
Cosplay communists. They don’t actually believe in communism, they just like the esthetic and being contrarian.
Oh, look, propaganda! I guess the enshittification finally found Lemmy…
You should probably do some research into what enshittification is before using it.
No, let’s just keep overusing it, like “gaslight”.
its the top post of r/ncd reposted. But sure… propaganda. You got me. 🙄
This isn’t that complicated. Imagine what would have happened in Iraq or Afghanistan if the president was an intelligence asset they had cultivated for decades. Not to mention tons of senators, represntatives, and influential NGOs like the NRA. Also all those social media psyops that are disappointingly effective at sowing division in the US.
Russia has an incredible amount of influence in the US and is still getting wolloped, although not nearly as much or as quickly as they should/could be.
Because they aren’t killing arabs
I mean c/NCD would strongly disagree with you…
(totally not for the Green M1A4 and CIWS memes)
c/NCD?
Which instance is getting more posts? I’m hooked into two but they aren’t very populated.
Im not the one to ask. I didn’t know there’s more than 1 lemmy ncd instance.
NonCredibleDefence
i meant the c. What’s that?
Lemmy community we are in now.
Reddit short links were /r/superbowl and Lemmy links I think are c/superbowl
The /c/ links assume that the community is on the same instance. A better link would be !superbowl@lemmy.world.
Thank you; that’s helpful. !test@sh.itjust.works
Ah, cheers. Didn’t know there was one for here.
No worries, bud. I’m not used to the new ones yet either.
Not sure how much attention OP has been paying, but American’s trust in military/government leadership has been severely eroded by the wars in the middle east.
That is only very selectively true though, considering that the party responsible for starting those wars is the one playing pacifist now. And if there is one thing we know about GOP it is that they are definitely not pacifist
It is just a very poor excuse by disingenous liars.
The parties only exist to disguise the fact that the entire thing is being run by the exact same oligarchs no matter who is in charge. Who gets elected doesn’t change the meat of what gets done, but only the flavour.
Funny to say that after trump been in power. But also women in republican states might disagree.
If you want to go down that rabbit hole, I’d point out a few things: He was considered to lean democrat in the 90s when there was speculation he might run, and he has faced significant scorn from many established republicans as well. He’s hardly an example of a typical candidate no matter what else you think of him.
Sure. Does not change that there are significant differences in policies that affect people’s life dependingvon the party and as you say yourself even more in the personality of the president.
Yea, they focus on things that affect you on a personal and emotional level, not things that affect their own bottom line or the continuing function of their control systems, so you’re too busy fighting the “other team,” worrying about issues which are inconsequential to them, to mount any real resistance to their plans. That’s deliberate by design.
The cons outlaw abortion. The Dems try to relieve student debt. They’re exactly the same.
People are concerned with topics affecting them and aren’t concerned with topics that don’t affect the, go figure.
Put the military aren’t getting involved. The point the US doesn’t actually have to send soldiers to fight an enemy of the United States and yet people are against it.
They’re so patriotic, they can’t sell out their country to its biggest enemy fast enough.
Because the half of the country that drools over the prospect of sending American sons and daughters to their death love dictators, like Putin, and hate liberals, like that Zelenskyy guy (I hear he’s not even a Christian!)
The bottom image is every liberal right now
Even in the context of US political crazyness your comment doen’t make sense.
'We must not do the right moral thing because that would hurt us financially and strategically"
Hey retard, it’s the Republicans that are against arming Ukraine.
Because we have a fascism problem if you haven’t noticed
If we had a fascism problem you wouldn’t be able to say that.
“You can’t say we have a problem until you’re in line for the death camps”
Great plan, very helpful.
Only once they’ve taken over. But once there’s more than the unavoidable fringe of them around and they start having a real shot at power, you have a problem, even if they can’t yet stop people from criticizing them
It’s ok. The FBI has an anti-fascism department.
antifa terrorists have infiltrated the government??!! /s
America doesn’t have a fascism problem, Americans just like to see themselves as some sorts of victims. Russia, China and Iran do have a real fascism problem though.
We very much have a fascism problem. It’s very very concerning and it’s very concerning you either are disregarding it or know nothing about it.
A widely supported attempted overthrow of an election is not enough for us to qualify as having a real fascism problem?
It’s qualifying you for a real idiot problem, that’s for sure.
This is really nitpicky. When there is war, there is anti-war protest.
Yeah these guys weren’t anti war. They were pro Hitler.
Kind of like the GOP is pro Putin.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter
"Forty years ago Germany proclaimed the slogan: “Germany above everything. Germany for the Germans, first, last and always. We want peace; therefore we must prepare for war. Only a well armed and thoroughly prepared nation can maintain peace, can command respect, can be sure of its national integrity.” And Germany continued to prepare, thereby forcing the other nations to do the same. The terrible European war is only the culminating fruition of the hydra-headed gospel, military preparedness. "
Because Germany, as well as any other european state at that time, was a genocidal maniac who shouldn’t be trusted with guns. However the Germany of today is far removed from those times and rivalries. And we’re not even talking about Germany, but the EU as a whole. We are talking about Europe, was a community of states, providing the protection themselves that they enjoyed by the US in the past.
Eh, military unpreparedness, to compare, leads to becoming a victim.
And (some) democracy, (relative) equality and all that (including trade and peaceful life being perceived as something more honorable than conquest) in Europe were historically spearheaded by United Provinces, Hanseatic cities and all those guys who were militarily prepared.
She’s absolutely right. And she identifies the core problem too. It only takes one country. So we’re trapped by the prisoner’s dilemma. There is a multiverse slice out there somewhere where Democracy solved these issues because proponents of military build ups were voted out everywhere. But it’s not our universe. As long as there’s a state building hard power to fuck with other countries we’re all trapped.
Democracy governing with good sense and moral integrity? That sounds a lot like entropy reversing itself. Possible in theory, but requires access to an infinite number of random universes to actually witness.
you seem to be trapped in the dilemma of picking up a flag when fighting against something.
Are you suggesting we need military preparedness in case of non state organizations?
Yeah, I mean the Vietnam war wasn’t without protest, and nor was the Gulf.
Always hard to know which side of history they’re going to be on though. Some wars are justified. You don’t want to be the guy holding the Hitler Did Nothing Wrong sign when the guy from down the road is sifting for teeth in a pile of ash.
God knows I protested the 2001-2020 invasions. I’m getting too old to protest constantly. It doesn’t help that 2020 is/was the neverending year
For Iraq, the anti-war protests were really popular.
When France told the truth about the whole situation at the UN, the whole US population was right behind them and protested en masse in the streets.
Or maybe I misremember…
The only thing I remember is a bunch of restaurant owners changed french fries to freedom fries. I also was living in a fairly rural (redneck) area at the time. Depending on how long they stayed “Freedom Fries” really spoke volumes about the type, and quality, of the food that was served.
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Up for a short amount of time: Food is probably fine. Restaurant owner was bandwagoning and probably didn’t want to alienate his clientele.
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Up for several months to a year: More likely to be greasy spoon type place. The food is probably okay with only a smallish (5-10%) chance of explosive diarrhea after eating there.
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Up for 1-2 years: Literally every menu item has gravy on it somehow. You could probably order a piece if dry white bread it would come pre-soaked in gravy. You have about a 50/50 chance of shitting your brains out after eating here
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Still “Freedom Frying” 1-3 years on: These places serve rat meat. It’s the only explanation for how they are in business. Expect everything to have a weird taste like stale Marlboros. The people that own in work in the restaurant couldn’t collectively come up with a full set of teeth combined. Food poisoning is part of the experience.
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“Fredum Frys” in 2024: This is front. You should not ever eat here. You will most likely get food poisoning from walking in the front door. Those french fries are actually surplus from the Iraq invasion. They make meth in the back and their cook has a loaded pistol sitting on the counter.
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Story time: I went to an Iraq War protest back in the day. Some people wandered out of the protest zone and (to be completely fair, I didn’t see what started the altercation) got their asses beat by the cops. One brave kid stood out from the crowd and said, “Come on, guys! We have to help them!” We all looked at each other and were like, “Uh… no.” The brave lad then charged in and promptly got his ass beat by the cops. The war still happened.
Holy shit Americans are lame. No wonder your country sucks so much. In the civilised world that would’ve been a full on brawl, and they’d have burnt down the police station later for good measure.
I mean the French are constantly protesting/rioting but their police still brutalize protesters, rioters and innocent bystanders like it’s a sport for them.
Yeah for sure, cops suck in France too. But at least they fight back a bit.
Behold the native Internet Tough Guy in his comfortable habitat. From his keyboard, he is a great warrior. His hypothetical contributions to the history of war are legendary.
That’s not really a relevant criticism, I’m not talking about anything out of the ordinary. Plenty of not very tough people (like me) go to protests, but people are tougher when they are united. The idea that a protest would stick to some zone, or that people wouldn’t try to help each other against the cops, is super sad. It makes you think they don’t really believe in the thing they are protesting for at all.
Cope
This really seems to depend on the society, say, French seem to have that healthy rioting culture where people would do as he says.
Honestly, if you don’t look out for each other it seems to defeat the whole point of an organized protest. I can spread the word on my own in a safe space without fear of organized retaliatory violence.
civilised
brawl
arson
Sure, why not
(I get* that it’s a joke but what worries me is that it’s actually said candidly, and worse, sometimes I myself think stuff like that. It might be just or moral (debatable), but it sure as fuck isn’t civilized)
(*read: hope)
To be fair, I always thought that the USA is more willing to do the latter rather than the former. And those protests existed in both cases, so a meme of an opposite meaning could probably be made. Or is it just that I don’t get the deepness of the joke?
When I cleared out my grandma’s attic there were her ww2 correspondence letters with soldiers on the front.
I was not prepared for the amount of american soldiers writing about how wonderful Hitler was and we shouldn’t be at war in Europe because the real enemy were the Reds.
“Heil Hitler and Fuck the Reds!” is a line from one.
It really put the inevitability of the Cold War into perspective.
America joined the war in Europe to prevent the Soviet Union from spreading communism.
Pearl Harbor may have also been a factor, but there is definitely something to that.
America was hoping to grind them both to dust with each other. And largely that was successful. The Eastern Front was a hellscape of death.
Pearl Harbor was a Japanese response to the American blockade and shipping operations in the pacific during the war.
The tonnage war certainly started well before that. Lend Lease act to the USSR was in place for nearly a year beforehand even.
I’m assuming America’s #1 enemy is other Americans who don’t look or behave like them.
