note: tech sociopath apologists in this thread will be removed and banned for everyone’s best interests
but why is mr wonka so easily offended? all I did was feed myself into the machine that makes chocolate chips but he called me a stupid motherfucker while his staff sang a jaunty tune
he’s probably just triggered. RENT FREE
Can I ask a sincere question? whats a tech sociopath apologist, could you demonstrate an example?
Again, im sincerely genuinely asking
Someone who takes it on themselves to act as apologist for the words/actions of tech sociopaths
Often seen as “weird nerds coming to defense of $x” (such as musk, or in this case the kagi dudebro)
(And then I glanced at your post history and noticed a trend of JAQing off so I now doubt whether you’re sincere in asking)
yyyyeaahhhhh
Im not sure what JAQing is.
I appreciate your response thanks
Short for Just Asking Questions. Where people ask loaded questions that act as a veneer to their actual statements. If you want to accuse them of the fact they are talking shit, they’ll say they’re “just skeptical” and “asking questions”
Just asking questions here, but do you think a wolverine would beat a mechabadger?
yes, I’ve seen it
that wasnt my intention. It was simply a phrase I hadn’t heard
that wasn’t my intention
Ironically, by saying that you’re just doing The Thing again
JAQing
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions first hit (on google ;) ) which has a good explanation.
I call that doing a “Tucker Carlson.”
He does jaq off pretty constantly.
I had a weird brainfart a while back when I realized that Carlson reminds me of this guy.
The bad faith ‘bugs that think are offensive’ debate guy from starship troopers. He even wears a bow tie!
You sound like a immature, troubled soul. Were you by any chance a reddit mod before?
Y’all are wild. Doesn’t it get boring congratulating each other for having the same opinions? You could just talk to yourself, you know.
I’m not interested in continuing this conversation. Any reply to this messags is unwanted harrasment.
no, unwanted harassment is me telling you to go fuck yourself
also, who in the fuck were you talking to? do you often wander into subs and demand nobody replies to your shitty posts?
We have even better solutions for them!
I read the whole transcript and I came to conclusion that the author is , to put it gently, bad faith.
Of course if you’re going to give negative opinion on the product made by a single man he is going to want to talk with you. The opposite would be strange, and denying its right to answer is disrespectful and childish.
Doesn’t mean you have to apologize or concede anything, but giving the man a quick and sincere talk about it is just basic level of dignity.
I mean, I think the harassment is unwarranted and clearly the CEO thinks he’s too important to be ignored. But the content of the email itself seems to make sense to me. Am I missing something?
I’m with you on this, it seems he reached out, then just addressed the points raised in the blog? It feels like doing it this way is better than writing a shit-post blog rebuttal? The blogger then reposted their emails as well without asking permission, which, depending on jurisdiction might be questionable.
I feel this whole post/scenario has been elevated to nothing from nothing.
thanks for your star rating!
Refusing to discuss in fear of being cornered sounds childish to me, especially as a reply to a first message! If your arguments are strong and reasonable, there is absolutely nothing wrong in discussing a subject.
Looking at this, it even sounds great that he would be willing to discuss with users.
I dont understand the hostility really What do you want them to do instead? Just cave in to every request anyone may have?
So in reading the comments from Lori there is a pretty good reason why the initial offer for a call was rejected, this was left out in the main body of the post. Their point was if a private conversation takes place, especially over a call where information isn’t recorded, then the CEO could claim whatever they want took place during that conversation.
Here is the quote, you can find it in the third comment from the top:
“1) If there’s one thing I know about online interactions, it’s not to let someone take you to Crime Scene Number Two. Having a private debate with Vlad about this would mean no witnesses and no accountability, meaning he could claim anything about the discussion. Even moreso when done through a call instead of text.”
So I do agree that it seems a bit hostile for a first response but it does seem to come from experience with these situations. You could give the CEO the benefit of the doubt and say that wasn’t his intentions, but if I was in Lori’s shoes I would have reacted the same way and not given the benefit of the doubt.
I was delighted to find a sci-fi story hidden between pages full of AI shilling on the website, and then disappointed because it’s not even funny-bad.
That’s egregiously bad.
I’m just trying to use independent search engines with their own index/crawler. I used DDG for many years but the fact that it’s basically a front end for Bing and Microsoft started to bother me, particularly since they put ChatGPT into Bing.
I only know of Brave Search, Mojeek, and Kagi to be independent and private at this point. I don’t want to pay for Kagi, Mojeek has its uses but I wouldn’t use it as my main engine, so that left Brave Search. The company and CEO is sus, I don’t use their chromium browser, and their search results seem to emulate and optimize ranking based on the big guys (Google and Bing) but in 2024 search is hard to come by and it’s more important to me to be fully independent of big tech.
I saw this post earlier that mentions some other search options, along with plenty of other suggestions in the comments. Hopefully you can find something you like in there! I haven’t checked them all out myself yet.
We need open search. Like Wikipedia for search, or something.
are you able to let us know what you use Mojeek for? Just interested in where we slot in
Tldr: I like your ranking algo. Feels like a breath of fresh air reminiscent of the old days of search and internet
Long version: When I want to get results for a query, not for an intent per se, I use Mojeek.
It works best for certain types of queries. When I want to get out of the commercialized, centralized, sanitized, SEO-ridden bubble that is every other search engine, Mojeek let’s me find way more potentially obscure, unique, and satisfying results per query that likely wouldn’t rank favorably with the modern page quality criteria used by Google. Plus, compared to the same 5 websites you’ll see for every query on other engines because of that very criteria, Mojeek has way more diversity in sources.
With all these corporations incentivized to further commercialize and consolidate the internet and with the rise of AI as a source of knowledge, Mojeek is one of the places I hang onto to explore a web of humans instead of a web of reputation and money.
Thanks a lot for sharing such a detailed rundown of what you find Mojeek to be useful for. I’ve shared this with the wider team.
This being said, if you have things that you’d like to wing our way in terms of improvements, or feedback on individual results, our inbox is always open (aloe at mojeek dot com) and there’s a submit feedback button on results pages. Mojeek thrives and grows off of feedback, the good and the bad 🙏
It sounds like CEO and OP are both a bit sus. Stay clear of both equally.
ah yes, both sides, the most worthwhile take
You’ve proven to be extremely hostile in this thread. I don’t know which account here is the author but it seems someone here has the power to ban dissidents. Please ban me so I don’t have to see this shit anymore.
“dissidents” dear fuck get over yourself
RISE, COMRADES, AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF…checks notes…ANY MODERATION WHATSOEVER
(e: adding /s, because otherwise this is going to become a fucking magnet for more dipshits)
no no, let them come. the ban button’s still working
why don’t you just remove yourself by not posting here in the first place? good god
we sure will miss out on all 6 of their posts. and of course one of them’s a bad take on AI, in case there was any doubt
I knew something was fucky about that cultish service.
Yeah I had a weirdass email exchange with that same guy that pushed me away from Kagi forever. It was one of those “borderline technically honest but still blatantly dodging and obfuscating” type situations.
I shared a screenshot once, but got nothing but defense for the guys dodgy behavior, so I’ve been quiet about it, so this feels pretty validating that my gut feelings were right.
I think a lot of people get cultish about it because they’re paying a subscription for it, so they have to believe it’s good.
yeah, they’ve fostered an audience of unhinged stans
huh. the modlog is wild. my commiserations.
this thread has been an excellent honeypot for some of the worst people on Lemmy, and TechTakes definitely needed some cleaning up now that our threads keep hitting all
it’s very funny to see how those posters react to the idea that their fucking garbage takes in defense of an asshole CEO aren’t welcome here, and that we have a minimum standard they just aren’t meeting. there’s this weird concept in a lot of folks’ heads from shareholder-oriented social media like Reddit that every community is for them and has to suffer their garbage, but that thankfully isn’t the case here.
it’s also hugely amusing that the default Lemmy behaviour is mod-removed comments get removed from their home instance too
proposal to change the mod button to be a mini icon of a nuke
for maximum points, a small animation of a nuke from orbit
I’ll be honest, I wanted to like Kagi because Google has become so useless. But I’ve not had any better success finding things on it than Google.
Corporate shit is corporate shit is corporate shit.
That he called the blog post ‘an incredible amount of research’ is quite odd. Either it is a failed attempt at sucking up, or a sign Vlad has a very bad idea of what research is.
incredible for him, presumably
‘lol you did more research than I did for my whole company’
Perhaps he is passive aggressively saying that he doesn’t believe it?
It’s incredible because the blogger based their beliefs off of evidence and reality instead of markov chains and hallucinations.
Eh, nothing wrong with accepting payments in crypto. Sometimes the gas fees are a lot less than what a payment provider / credit card provider would charge.
wow, you’re fucking lost aren’t you
let me show you the way out
This post has been a real honeypot, hasn’t it?
(Can we try mixing the honey with a little borax so they bring it back to the nest, like you can do for ants?)
I was thinking the same thing earlier… it’s also been a hell of a way to find people who have problems with consent…
we’re not actually enjoying what a shooting gallery this post has become
could never imagine that you would. grateful that you do what you do!
2018 called, it wants its shitty coiner propaganda talking points back
(actually not sure if by 2018 coiners had moved on from dunking on credit card fees)
No clue why they’d willingly accept crypto - they aren’t doing anything that’d have credit card companies running for the hills.
they did in fact reach at least 20,000 users, and to celebrate they set up a business entity in Germany (they are currently US based), in order to start a tiny little t-shirt printing company. And their goal was to print 20,000 t-shirts to give out, FOR FREE, to their first 20,000 users (with users paying only shipping costs). But I cannot stress enough, they did not just spend money on 20,000 tshirts to give out, they set up a whole new business entity in Germany to run their own t-shirt printing operation, with its own building and warehouse and employee(s? I get the sense it’s one guy but I don’t know). And this cost them 1/3 of their $670k funding round. One, fucking, third. For t-shirts. Did I mention that the t-shirts don’t even have the Kagi name on them? Just the Kagi dog mascot
0% interest rate behavior
The whole internet loves Kagi
Lol no
Also Kagi is a glorified Google front end.
Also Kagi is a glorified Google front end.
The fact a glorified Google front end manages to be less shit than Google is a pretty damning indictment of Google, I’ll give Kagi that. Quoting Cory Doctorow, gratuitous italics and all:
The implications of this are stunning. It means that Google’s enshittified search-results are a choice. Those ad-strewn, sub-Altavista, spam-drowned search pages are a feature, not a bug. Google prefers those results to Kagi, because Google makes more money out of shit than they would out of delivering a good product: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/2/24117976/best-printer-2024-home-use-office-use-labels-school-homework
A Danish ad company made a Google interface that they called “impersonal me” which searched Google with no personalisation. And not only was it better than Google search, it found things that normal Google just didn’t show. In particular old comments I had written and lost track of. In the impersonal search they were easily found, in the normal search they weren’t way down on the list, they weren’t in the list at all.
Fascinatingly bad.
This is a reference to the milkshake duck tweet
Yup. Last time I checked, you paid money to get the exact same results. Brilliant.
Ya but they are in a different order
*Bing
There seems to be an incredibly large intersection between sociopathic dipshits and failure to understand the basics of GDPR.
“Email address is not PII” is such a deep level of not getting it it’s indistinguishable from satire.
i wonder why that coincidence keeps happening over and over
i absolutely love the “clarification” that an email address is PII only if it’s your real, primary, personal email address, and any other email address (that just so happens to be operated and used exclusively by a single person, even to the point of uniquely identifying that person by that address) is not PII
I literally learnt about Kagi like a week ago from a Cory Doctorow’s post. I was like oh, cool, someone there to fight google.
I found that while Doctorow post weird like an ad in the form of a post.
I KNOW RIGHT
they just got THE BEST word of mouth
and then Vlad just …
So close!
We were right there!
And then Vlad had to do his impaling thing…
Ah man, same. Thought I’d give it a go after reading about if from Cory…
Honestly, for what I search for, DDG is sufficient, and it’s not gonna hassle me about subscriptions.
What I’d really like to find is something like a pihole for search, where you have your blocklist, cache of things you’ve searched already (your own mini search engine?), and then a fallback engine (DDG, bing, Google, whatever) for things it doesn’t already know.
I dunno. Search and AI botshit is everywhere, and it’s gonna keep getting worse. Self-hosting tools seems to be the only way to take control back.
@shadow @V0ldek > What I’d really like to find is something like a pihole for search, where you have your blocklist, cache of things you’ve searched already (your own mini search engine?), and then a fallback engine (DDG, bing, Google, whatever) for things it doesn’t already know.
I think SearXNG sort of fulfills this, from what I’ve heard? It’s more or less a self-hosted search engine that can combine indexes from various other engines, and I presume that means you can set your own rules and filters and such. There are public instances as well.
The searxng public instances tend to be a bit shit.
They’re slow. Maybe only several seconds but that feels like an eternity in 2024.
They also frequently seem to be blocked by the services they’re scraping.
I will check out self hosting searxng
I was trying and failing to do something like that. Basically, using ArchiveBox to download bookmarks, and then use recoll to index the webpages + PDFs + my own writing. Assumption was that I probably already bookmarked or had copies of what I wanted and just needed a quite way to find them. Was eventually going to import my browsing history as well. It ended up being more trouble than it was worth. (Too many bookmarks, not enough disk space, didn’t know what the best setting for ArchiveBox were, Archivebox has its own search and I wasn’t sure how that compared to recoll, unsure most efficient way to delete useless downloaded pages or curate them, etc.)
I do use uBlacklist and the Huge AI Blocklist subscription to try to clean up my search results. Not sure how effective they are over all though.
Isn’t the DDG guy an asshole as well though?
But you don’t pay him.
He’s not getting paid?
What I’m saying is that for Kagi you have to pay a direct subscription. DDG you can just use for free.
What I’m saying is that free things arent really free.
+5, insightful.
