Reddit could’ve been so good with him at the helm…
Good thing we’ve got a second opportunity. ;)
Lemmy is already cooked
Start your own instance that isn’t, then.
That’s not the fix.
What is the fix? I don’t understand what you are objecting to.
I didn’t object to anything, if anything, I declared/observed.
Lemmy will suffer the same issues as reddit regarding content, modding, quality, etc. Just not yet
It’s the federation part
If there was no interaction across instances then their respective populations would be smaller and thus the experience would be better
Not a bug, a feature. Bubbles are not healthy, if you can see the horrible, the horrible can see you. You are reminded that there’s dangerous viewpoints out there, they are reminded that they will have to debate and argue logically to be tolerated. That is one of the few ways to cure a toxic point of view. Doesn’t work everytime obviously, but if you get one person to hesitate before posting some sort of BS comment we’re 90% of the way there.
I’m talking from a Netherlands server, you from Canada. I’m sure lots of differences of opinion but I know you’re a person with experiences different from mine and therefore I need to be respectful when discussing things I don’t know anything about.
They are bubbles anyway due to mods and admins existing
But if I wanted to spread misinformation to people then it’s way more effective when the userbase is massive
Also bubbles are way worse when you have thousands of people which as already stated still exists
He’s dead so no we dont
OP is referring to Lemmy
He likely wouldn’t’ve stayed. We’d be better off with him anyways. He was moving towards activism and politics. He’d probably either be a prisoner or a congressman by now. And like honestly, we could use a congressman like him.
he didn’t even share the articles did he? it was an “intent” crime.
The most infuriating thing was and still is the fact that some people justify the sentence and blame him for killing himself.
Well killing oneself is always one’s own choice, but it’s terrible that he was given such a ridiculous sentence for no more than a copyright issue. Not even sure if he made money on the material, but even if he did he should have gotten maybe a fine, and imprisonment is just insane.
He wasn’t sentenced, he died before he could go to trial or accept a plea deal, but there is record of a 6 month jail sentence being offered to him.
This is propaganda he got sucicided. And he didnt transfer or share scientific articles he simply downloaded them thats all. This poat is extremely damaging as its almost correct juat slightly shifting the commonly accepted reality of history. This is not the first time I’ve seen posts about him here doing a simmillar thing this raises the question who’s trying to rewrite history and what for?
Oil CEOs pay fines for bringing about a global climate catastrophe. Fascist politicians are given slaps on the wrist for an attempted coup d’etat. Government officials open commit gross violations of privacy and suffer no consequences.
But a guy hacks a university network and downloads a hoard of scientific articles that should have been freely accessible to begin with and he gets 35 years in prison. I’ll admit I wasn’t familiar with this case before I saw this picture. Which is kind of insane in and of itself.
There’s a recent Radiolab episode about those that have taken up his mantle and the impact he’s had on scientific publishing.
Remember Kim Dotcom? He had a file sharing website and the police raided his house with guns like he was a dangerous criminal. There is a video of it on YouTube.
Honestly I had forgotten about the whole MegaUpload stuff.
Given, Kim Dotcom had a long history of being a trash person before the MegaUpload raid; Trading in stolen credit card info, embezzlement, black-hat hacking, etc… But he definitely didn’t deserve to get swatted just because he hosted a site that was popular with media pirates. The police used his prior convictions as justification for their heavy-handed tactics. But the reality is that they likely would have gone in with SWAT even if he had a squeaky clean record beforehand.
The weirdest shit about this is that JSTOR apparently has a very expansive social media presence.
They have an official Tumblr account.
I had to follow it out of morbid curiosity.
Think I’m gonna be taking the solidarity approach pretty soon. Humanity is truly a cancer.
If I remember correctly, it wasn’t even illegal since these scientific articles should have been public to begin with because they used public funds.
That may be so, but IIRC he was charged with breaking into their networking room and illegally tapping into their network to get the articles:
I hacked my highschool servers when I was young and shared the upcoming exams, so everyone could prepare for them. Someone told the authorities, all I got was some extra exercise. Sure it wasn’t MIT, but still 35 years is ridiculous, even a year of prison would have been ridiculous.
Well that’s definitely burying the lede from the OP.
It wasn’t the sharing part they had a problem with, it was the B&E and hacking.
It’s not that clear cut and I would recommend listening to the Behind The Bastards episode about him:
Behind the Bastards: Part One: Christmas Hero Episode: Aaron Swartz
https://omny.fm/shows/behind-the-bastards/part-one-christmas-hero-episode-aaron-swartz
Most of these guys they just offer jobs to. This was needless. No wonder China is kicking our ass on the cyber front
The whole criminals getting job offers has never been true and will never be true. For many of such jobs you aren’t qualified if you have a criminal record, even small offenses disqualify you.
I mean thousands of war criminals were offered jobs after ww2 so I doubt they would care about a little red tape just hire them into the black no one needs to know
Ah my sweet summer child…how wonderful it must be to live in your world.
Mm. Breaking and entering to share publicly funded research is different than B&E with the threat of violence…
still… 35 years? obviously there is more missing information.
It wasn’t 35 years, it was 6 months with a plea deal
That’s still a hell of a sentence for a B&E
That also may be so, but 35 years is fucked up for that. pretty sure child porn first time offenders is like 15 to 30 so hacking MIT for stuff that should have been free gets you more jail time then a first CP offence. OK thats fucked up
He was a defender of child porn though.
https://web.archive.org/web/20031229025933/http:/bits.are.notabug.com/
Child pornography is not necessarily abuse.
Yikes.
An image of an event is not the event. That’s the reasoning there. There’s some sense of logic there, though the knowledge their abuse is used by pedophiles can absolutely be a continuing trauma for the victims.
Assuming this is actually by the guy, here is what the linked article says about child porn:
In the US, it is illegal to possess or distribute child pornography, apparently because doing so will encourage people to sexually abuse children.
This is absurd logic. Child pornography is not necessarily abuse. Even if it was, preventing the distribution or posession of the evidence won’t make the abuse go away. We don’t arrest everyone with videotapes of murders, or make it illegal for TV stations to show people being killed.
Wired has an article on how these laws destroy honest people’s lives.
OK a reason to not like him but sending him to prison for his views that he didnt act on sounds like fasicm lol I dont agree with his views just saying
They got the wrong reddit founder .
(not that I wish that on spez even tho he is bad I don’t think he is that bad )
Eh mister “I will own slaves after the apocalypse” probably doesn’t deserve the grace
Well when you put it like that .
There’s a reason the EU doesn’t extradite their citizens to the US: the justice system is considered inhumane.
He didn’t even share them as far as I know, he just downloaded them. And the trial hadn’t started yet when he committed suicide.
Downloading isn’t a crime, is it?
No, but he obviously felt that JSTOR could persuade a court to make it one. Poor kid.
He was being charged under the CFAA, a hacking criminal statute that prohibits unauthorized access to computer systems. It was controversially being stretched to cover Aaron’s conduct that violated TOS by an ambitious prosecutor.
That’s uh… It makes sense if you don’t think about it. The access was probably authorized, the use wasn’t.
There is a difference between illegal and unauthorized. If I go into a store that doesn’t allow trying on the clothes before you buy and I try a shirt on, I haven’t broken a law. It still isn’t authorized. The store can throw me out, but I shouldn’t be charged with shoplifting.
What Aaron was doing wasn’t even unauthorized. He was just doing more of it than they liked. In the example above, it would be like bringing 20 (or 2000…) pieces of clothing to the change room when there’s a 5 piece limit. Again, it shouldn’t be illegal, and the site could have enforced account limits if that was their issue instead of relying on bandwidth limits doing the job for them.
Now, the only thing left to question is how he hooked up the computer doing the downloading. I don’t know about the legality of that, but he was accused of illegally accessing the website, not the university network, so I’m guessing even the prosecutor who was trying to expand the scope of the DMCA law didn’t see a way he could charge him with anything on that front.
Are TOS violations felonies now?
Yes, technically any TOS violation is one ambitious prosecutor away from a felony, thanks to the CFAA.
Can I make my own TOS that corporations agree to when they endorse a check I pay a bill with?
You certainly can! And they will discard that check, charge you for failure to pay your bill, and refuse to negotiate with you in any way.
If you want to read about how we got into this fucked up situation I’d recommend The Hacker Crackdown by Bruce Sterling (a notorious cyberpunk sf writer among other things) https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/101
You wouldn’t download a car would you??
https://www.printables.com/search/models?q=Car
Come on, you know you want to.
Oh I absolutely would.
I downloaded a whole bunch of cars when I played Forza Horizon.
He didn’t get the chance to share them because he was caught downloading them, and his download requests were getting blocked.
And to be clear, he went into a restricted networking closet and connected directly to the switch, leaving a computer sitting there sending access requests. He had to keep going back to it to check on the progress, which is when they caught him.
And the trial hadn’t started yet when he committed suicide.
Yeah, I agree with the sentiment of the post, but this is just wildly misleading. He was not sentenced to anything, he committed suicide before the trial. He was given a plea deal for 6 months that he rejected.
Frankly, I don’t think that was enough to make Aaron commit suicide. However, having close relations like Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian completely turn sour and blame him probably did, and I’m akin to believe they know what they did given how hard they doubled down on “well, Aaron really wasn’t that great of a guy” narrative.
Judicially murdered by Carmen Ortiz.
Please don’t spread misinormation.
You can’t make a claim like that without elaborating why you think it’s misinormation [SIC].
It didn’t get to trial if I remember right. He definitely wasn’t sentenced.
According to a quick read on Wikipedia, you are right. He was charged, But not sentenced.
On January 6, 2011, Swartz was arrested by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT.[15][16] Federal prosecutors, led by Carmen Ortiz, later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,[17] carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release.[18] Swartz declined a plea bargain under which he would have served six months in federal prison.[19] Two days after the prosecution rejected a counter-offer by Swartz, he was found dead in his Brooklyn apartment.[20][21]
It makes two claims and he did commit suicide. Also, my keyboard is broken. :/
What about this is misinformation?
It is not true that he was sentenced to 35 years in prison by US authorities for transferring and sharing scientific articles from JSTOR. It is true that he killed himself.
After googling it it seems he was charged and those were the estimate of years if convicted so
So?
Looks likely he would have been convicted, especially considering the whole suicide thing??
Basically the same thing, calling it misinformation implies its creating a perception of the incident that is unwarranted, where I would disagree that the distinction has any merit
I am genuinely disappointed that on an ostensibly science-related message board I see comments along the lines “this isn’t actually true, but it kinda-sorta is, therefore, inaccurate claims somehow aren’t misinformation”. If all kinds of counter-factual things were true, then all kinds of things would be true: what is the point of this hand-waving to defend something that is riddled with untruths? Also, with whom did he purportedly share these documents? In 22 words, this person got no fewer than two things wrong and you are carrying water for what reason?
Law is not science, it’s politics. This is a political distinction, not a matter of the laws of reality
Their comment wasn’t a dissertation, i didn’t expect extreme precision, I’m defending the spirit in which I believe that comment was posted, because I agree with it, simple as
Rocking up to a popular conversation, and saying this is wrong, but not providing what you consider correct. Is a great way to not be a contributing member of society.
Requiring people to have a 15 message subthread to figure out what you meant from your first comment is very unhelpful
I thought it was pretty obvious, since there is so little actual content in the post, but I guess you’re right. Thanks.
Jesuschrist. 🤦♂️
