All the mass casualty events we have to suffer and here we have a psychopath who can’t aim. Such a shame.
Turns out, calling out for violence over and over again or continuously calling for the blood of your opponents, threatening with imprisonment and a literal dictatorship, will be answered with violence. I am sooooooo shocked!
Get fucked. Hope the next marksman is luckier.
You can’t arbitrate with fascism? Who knew? History. History knows.
did the attenders draw their guns and stop the assasin?
NYT photographer got the photo of the bullet, it seems that TMZ’s reporting that it was glass from the teleprompter is not correct:
https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1812293722832318726
That isolated tweet with the pic doesn’t claim to be from NYT or a NYT photographer. I’ve never heard of this “spectator index”. Here is the AP collection of photos from the event.
If I do assume that’s a bullet, let’s test if the size of the streak makes sense. A bullet travels at about 750m/s. That streak (using Trump’s head for scale) is about 50cm long, or 1/2 meter. A 750 m/s bullet travels 1/2 meter in 1/1500 seconds. When you consider projection effects (we might not be looking with a line-of-sight perpendicular to the bullet’s trajectory), we expect the length and time used in my above calculations to be lower bounds, with the true answer probably being within about a factor of 3 of that bound. This means that this image only makes sense as a bullet if the shutter speed is between 1/1500 and 1/500 seconds. That lines up with this website’s recommendation of 1/1000 second exposure time for bright outdoor shots.
Either a very good fake that considered the kinematics, or this is a real image of the bullet.
Thanks! With the information in the article you just linked, I am now very suspicious that this is a picture of the bullet, where I previously thought it was plausible from my low-precision estimate. From the article:
“If the gunman was firing an AR-15-style rifle, the .223-caliber or 5.56-millimeter bullets they use travel at roughly 3,200 feet per second when they leave the weapon’s muzzle,’’ Mr. Harrigan said. “And with a 1/8,000th of a second shutter speed, this would allow the bullet to travel approximately four-tenths of a foot while the shutter is open.”
Same procedure, but an AR-15 shoots a bullet faster than the speed for a generic bullet that I used, and the shutter speed was faster because it was a fancy NYT camera. 3200ft/s is almost exactly 1000m/s. The 1/8000s shutter speed is the fact that seems the most reliable, assuming that the photographer knew what setting their camera was on.
What I disagree with is that that streak is only 0.4 feet long. The average size of a human male head (brow to back of head) is about 20cm, or 8in per this image from Wikipedia. The streak from the bullet in the image is about twice the size of Trump’s head, or 40cm/16in. Due to projection effects, this is a lower bound on the path of the bullet during the 1/8000s exposure. This puts a lower bound on the speed of 3200m/s. This is over three times the velocity of an AR-15, at minimum. Either this was some super-high-powered rifle to fire the bullet that fast, the shutter speed is misquoted (or a misleading representation of the exposure time), or this isn’t picture of the bullet.
Thanks for providing the data to make me suspicious that this is an image of the bullet.
assuming that the photographer knew what setting their camera was on
The photographer would definitely know even if the camera was in a mode that selects the shutter speed automatically because it’s embedded in the image file’s metadata, which is shown in software used for image processing.
Note publishing and social media platforms usually strip metadata from images.
3200ft/s is muzzle velocity, that’s going to drop over the distance.
Plus the velocity depends on how hot the load is. An AR-15 can be as high as 3,200, but it can alao be lower.
https://www.spartanarmorsystems.com/understanding-bullet-speed-how-distance-affects-armor
drop over the distance
Very true, but it was only 300".
Right, all more reasons the streak in the image is too fast to be an AR bullet.
What also doesn’t make sense is, if you roughly line up his arm position in the three NYT stills vs going frame by frame in the video/audio playback captured by the various news outlets, he raises his hand to his ear nearly 2/3rds a second after the audio recorded first shot, which, given bullet velocity and distance traveled was probably nearly a full second after the first shot (so a super slow reaction time, which normal nervous system reaction time is .150-.300/sec), since you’ll hear (and audio record) the shot roughly 5 frames after it’s passed by. He starts to lift his hand off the podium at nearly the same time the second shot estimates to be fired, and maybe 3-4 frames before the first posted NYT pic catches the bullet supposedly whizzing by.
Well that certainly blows up any argument it was staged. You don’t fake shoot a real bullet past your fake targets head.
Holy shit, he had blood on his ear? If that’s true, he was about a foot away from assassination. That’s wild.
Edit: saw a picture of him and he was def hit in the ear. We won’t hear the end of this for a long time. “Radical democrats are so scared that I’m going to win” etc
Edit 2: let’s do count of “how many push notifications does the news junkie get?” I’m at
347 so far. Edit: it’s a lot more than 7 but I’m done countingHe put his hand up to his ear before he went down and you can see blood on his face when Secret Service took him away. Whoever it was missed him by that much.
And yet, nobody in the crowd behind him was hit? That’s… really hard to believe.
One audience member is dead.
There was blood in the crowd supposedly. Maybe a ricocheted bullet but it’ll be a while until we have reliable info
Edit: 2 dead so far
Oh, we’ll never have reliable info. The right-wing noise machine are already spinning up their conspiracies.
…The article was posted on NBC at 6:27, then posted here at 6:28. LESS than 30 minutes later 6:57 you declare, “we’ll never have reliable info”.
maybe don’t listen to the “noise machine”.
It looks like a chunk of his ear is blown off. Fucking insane!
Not like he ever listened to anyone anyway.
Nobody in the crowd was hit with anything it seemed, so I don’t think he was shot. If anything, the secret service takedown probably did whatever it was. He’s never going to stfu about this. Wouldn’t be surprised if this was staged.
He was bleeding before secret service got to him. The video is literally linked for you by OP.
He wasn’t shot. Pure publicity stunt. Same shit as WrestleMania.
Dammit! So close!
Finally someone uses their gun for its constitutional purpose.
Like the founding fathers would have wanted
You ever feel like you live in some sort of Murphy’s Law parallel universe, where the worst possible outcome of every major event happens?
I’m so scared of its global consequences.
When he yells “fight”, what does he mean to fight for? Fight against freedom? I wonder the same thing when it comes to Qbert and Empty-G. Fight? What are they fighting for, exactly? More tax cuts for billionaires? More special privileges for xtians?
I was told today that someone we know is going to vote for donnie - because “economy”. What. The. Actual. Fuck. They said that the economy was better under donnie. I just can’t even. And this is someone that will be a target under fascist rule.
They get the fucker?
There’s an extended video that shows a lift spewing hydraulic fluid with one more gunshot. I’m guessing homie moved and the secret service donated a bit more lead.
Edit. He was firing the left of the stage from our viewpoint, so he probably did hit the poor lift.
I saw that, was that not a water mister to keep the crowd cool?
You can see the lift falling as it sprays. That would be a badass way to cool down, tho:
Seal Team 6 sucks.
Lots of people seem keen to jump to this being staged. That makes zero sense: Trump was already winning before this, especially with Biden (his preferred opponent) looking to hang on to the nomination.
conspiracy theorist in me sees several venues where it is Very beneficial to POTUS45 to stage this:
- finally come out as victim
- frame Biden/CIA/FBI as villains
- come out as “defiant” hero and rally support to the point where it’s a landslide win, where he would be able to go after anybody and anything he doesn’t like.
more wicked stuff comes to mind but I think above is sufficient . Fact that bullet grazed him and nobody around him in a tight setting is kind of strange, with his bravado on display with fist shaking. One can only dream for this election campaign video to be run on repe 24/7 on fox and other outlets, giving him more air time, and now that Biden asked everyone to read project2025 entire nation will be watching nothing but POTUS45. Still could be some morron that didn’t get his signature at the rally pulling out his Beretta…
There is no scenario where this helps Treason Trump. Now the entire world knows that Convicted Criminal and Sex Offender Treason Trump is so widely hated that people literally want to kill him. And now Treason Trump knows it too.
If only Trump had a gun, this wouldn’t have happen-
Oh wait… he’s a felon, so he can’t have a gun- but can run for president. This is America now.
He was surrounded by a lot of highly trained good guys with plenty of guns, the Secret Service, and even they couldn’t stop the bad guy, only respond to him.
(I’m paraphrasing from the second season premiere of The West Wing, but the writers were dead on 24 years ago.)
If they only had a teacher there with a gun, this wouldn’t have been a problem at all
Are we placing bets on this being entirely staged?
Edit: Clearly, given the evidence now, that’s a bet I would have lost.
Yes it’s stage. Because we all know. If you going to staged an assassination. You do a head shot. 🤦♂️
