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This has always happened to women. I mean, men do it do men too, but other men counteract that by doing it too. As a cis man I’ve encountered way too many cringe worthy situations from my fellow men.
If you’re never experienced mansplaining you might now actually know what it is about.
Oh yes. Only men mansplain. It’s in the genetics.
Do trans men also mansplain? They’re biologically female, so they might be incapable.
It isn’t only men, it is just the biggest group.
Us men are taught that our opinion is always valuable. A noble goal I am sure.
But women still get too many “go back to the kitchen” comments whenever they give their opinion. From the more sleazy and sexist people around.
Yes, every person has the potential to mansplain, but the group that gets attacked for it the most (even if it is not called mansplaining) tend to do it less.
Us men are taught that our opinion is always valuable.
As a man I’ve been told no one wants my opinion since the 2000s so I’m not sure where you’re getting this from.
There’s that saying about equality in an unequal society feeling like oppression. I think it applies here. Of course I don’t know your particular life circumstances but I would bet you’re being a bit hyperbolic.
You went off the rail when you used “women” and “men” instead of “people”.
I’m not exactly sure which one is more frequent, the behaviour itself or the accusation thereof as thought- and conversation-terminating cliche, but both suck donkey ass. OTOH it’s not some special grand thing in itself, either, it’s plain old failure to relate and communicate.
Of course it sucks when both do it. But one group does it far more often. Your argument sounds like the “all lives matter” of “black lives matter”.
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But one group does it far more often.
With “one group” you presumably mean egocentric people in general, and nothing sexed. Because otherwise: Citation or you’re a sexist. And with “citation” I mean “controlled for perceptive biases”.
Your argument sounds like the “all lives matter” of “black lives matter”.
Plenty of citations for racial bias by US police so no, it really shouldn’t. Side note though: The moment the assclowns came up with “all lives matter” the BLM folks should have jumped on it and used it themselves. It’s a much more powerful message, and impossible to argue against. With the momentum they had they could easily have drowned out the racists.
It’s the same way the student protests for palestine died out. The message was inpalatable to the general public because of the rhetoric that was used, whether or not it’s “correct” in the academic sense.
“Mansplaining isn’t real, but quick sidenote here is how the black community should have handled their outrage if they wanted to be more effective.”
Bruh.
By the way, the entire point was to explicitly point out that BLACK lives matter, because they are systematically treated as if they do not, and BLM was an attempt to force people to come to terms with that fact. “All lives matter” is a hollow, whitewashed response that gave racists a shield to hide behind, allowing them to pretend like they cared about “all” lives, but really from its inception all it meant was “White lives matter.” Co-opting that slogan would have just allowed everyone to brush the conversation under the rug even more quickly than they did.
Mansplaining isn’t real,
Not a thing I said.
but quick sidenote here is how
That was Eurosplaining. I do that all the time to Yanks and I stand by it.
And yes MLK was rotating in his grave that day. What’s your point, here? That it would befit me to want to see black folks being ineffective in their struggle? Is that really where you want to go with this? Want to continue racistjacketing me?
And just for the record I already talked about this with actual BLM organisers. They agreed, it was a missed opportunity, hindsight is 20/20, etc. The issue isn’t even lack of institutional knowledge – the civil rights movement is literally the textbook case on how to stage such things effectively – the “trouble” (not really, but form this perspective) is that the whole movement gained momentum so quickly that people didn’t have time to organise properly.
Co-opting that slogan would have just allowed everyone to brush the conversation under the rug even more quickly than they did.
Co-opting that slogan would have carried on momentum that was broken by getting into a fight with the slogan. It allowed energy to be diverted from opposing specific state structures to opposing a slogan.
This isn’t about “oh but white racists came up with it so now it’s a bad slogan”, it’s not about dictionary semantics at all that’s not how social movements or political messaging works. If Black people shout “All lives matter” then that’s saying “Hey we’re people too”. It’s saying “Not just your lives matter”. It’s also saying “if your schizophrenic kid got shot by out of control police, go come join us”: It allows for a broader movement, overall more solidarity.
You know what’s the worst part about this? The right is really good at this kind of stuff. They understand it. They didn’t go out saying “Black lives don’t matter” or “Fuck N****s”, they went out chanting “All lives matter”. Because they knew exactly that it was their most effective shot at breaking BLM’s momentum, even though they sure as fuck don’t care about all lives.
Mansplaining isn’t real,
The creator of critical race theory (a very famous and highly regarded black lawyer and law professor) would agree with this guy. If you don’t believe me, look him up. He argued for segregation to remain the law of the land when Brown V BoE occurred, but for ‘separate but equal’ to be actually enforced. Instead, schools were desegregated to change the global American image in the name of the Cold War and fighting the ideological battle. His vision would have seen eventual desegregation over a period of time on a set path to avoid the mass violence and angry sentiment incurred by too fast a change. The same thing happens today with trans and gay people getting called groomers. We were doing alright (in the US) until Obergefell V Hodges. Same thing.
Previously to the word mansplaining this was just men being sexist.
I’m surprised Oldsplaining doesn’t exist as a word.
mansplained like a true splain
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Running commentary would still have the same concepts, just not encapsulated in a single word
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Us-vs-them attitudes are super cool and good.
People like you would think that.
You would say that.
You’re both just the same as each other.
No u
You’re just like your father.
Oh of course you would take her side
Generally I do agree with that statement. But I think this can be taken in a lighthearted manner. Not every joke needs to be so PC to the point where you’re afraid to say anything and all humor is lost. Humor is subjective tho so I think it’s fair to not like the joke.
I never help a female coworker who needs assistance or guidance cause I’ll just be accused of mansplaining. So I let them drown and get called an asshole who doesn’t help so you lose either way.
If only there was a way of helping without being condescending or immediately assuming oneself to be more knowledgeable or capable on a topic with nothing to base it on other than physical appearance.
What’s wrong with asking?
you tell me, since you said you’d rather not help at all
Perhaps you could even ask if they want help first. Crazy idea.
let’s not get too extreme here
I’ll just be accused of mansplaining
Have you actually been accused, or are you afraid of being accused? Because in reality, most people don’t give two shits about the idea of “mansplaining”.
I’m a different person than the one you’ve responded to, but I’ve actually been accused.
I am into weird shit and have ADHD like a bitch so I will often excitedly talk about my interests, or a story involving them, which are sometimes fairly niche and I know I need to explain whatever I am saying to whoever I’m talking to, because I know they don’t know the ins and outs of X. I had an ex accuse me of mansplaining and said she’d prefer if I wait for her to ask before I explain something. Alright, fair enough, I mean I’d say I’m ADHDsplaining because I enjoy our conversations but I can work on that. So I complied with her request, a couple months go by, and she tells me I she hates the way I just assume she knows everything and will just breeze past terms like Castle Nut and Endplate without explaining them. She then didn’t like when I explained that she asked me to do literally exactly that in very gendered terms.
I guess I’m just too neurodivergent for all this “other people” business.
“It’s about this long”
“I’d never pooped a log so big before and didn’t realize it was possible”
“Had to hand-lower it in to prevent splashback. WorkSafe you know”
About 5.5" standard sized.
Why peope saw he mansplaining beside sarcasm? I mean, I didn’t even notice about it before it was a thing. I just always ignore annoying people, that’s all.
It’s been available for over 10 years at PragerU
Ffs I hate PragerU. The website “All Sides Balanced” quotes them as if they are a reliable and genuine university that does research, when in fact it’s a right wing propaganda machine that spews the already derided laissez faire economics and climate change denialism.
Mainsplaining sounds more like a liberal arts degree to me.
Yeah, and those are for women /s
Its one of the images where people are looking for something to offend them.
Do you mean the people that think it’s a funny picture, or those that get offended just by seeing the word “mansplaining”?
People like Teacher Dude.
This meme gave me some comic relief, thanks for posting! But the comments here are horrible. I would like to forget how lemmy is mostly cis dudes but it’s moments like these it gets super apparent… :(
It’s important to show people their own biases which is why I do not remove a lot.
Let me help you with the cis dude perspective. I’ll explain it to you in a way you can understand. I’m a guy, I know. . . . /s
We should all be decent, empathetic, and compassionate enough people that the demographic breakdown doesn’t create a negative effect like that.
I’m one of the many cis dudes here, and I just cannot get offended when it gets pointed out that other dudes can be assholes. Or that other Americans can be assholes. Or other humans, for that matter.
Unfortunately that is hardly ever the case. Most people’s way to think about themselves and how they act differs greatly and thus they have to bridge this gap in some way. People like to think of themselves as tolerant, open-minded or empathetic, but once you start to confront them in any way with how they are acting problematic in any way, they usually start to get defensive or try to twist reality around so that it fits with their positive view on themselves. And by “confronting” I don’t necessarily mean that you even have to actually have to tell them about this mismatch, just by existing as a person can trigger this reaction in person. That is, only by being trans or by beingvegan people think that they have to defend themselves somehow. And it gets even trickier to actively help people reflect upon their own actions. The huge number of people that have tried to explain me that discrimination isn’t real is so frustrating. Most people life in their fantasy world not wanting to think critically about themselves. And if one has these mental barriers, empathy or compassion doesn’t really help either because in order to protect their skewed view on themselves they cannot access their empathy.
Maybe you’ll like my interpretation of this image! I believe those women are a coven of witches politely waiting for that guy to finish talking so they can begin their ritual sacrifice to The Morrigan.
Oh, do they need a professor? I’m available.
im disappointed now that the realization that people could have been making funny jokes about mansplaining has set in.
maybe he is the teacher?
wait, is he mansplaining how to become a mansplainer to women? did I get the joke?
or is he about to get his mansplaining degree?
there is no joke, is there?
I see your kind with the “there is no joke” nonsense occassionally, and I never know if you’re wilfully obtuse because you don’t like this humor, or really don’t even understand how it could be funny.
I’ll tell you it’s kinda funny.
thanks for your answer.
I don’t think it’s funny, because the joke is illogical. If he is a teacher in a University, and it looks like it, that it is his job to mansplain.
but i often have problems with illogical jokes, and other people don’t seem to care.
Obtuse? how shallow and pedantic.
maybe it is like a meta joke, that makes fun of women complaining about mansplaining in settings where it has to be expected?
I’ll bite. The joke is funny because it is this kind of joke that comes from a place of desperation about our current world and how unfair it is and twists it sarcastically.
There are power imbalances and sexist tropes pervading all of our interactions, men mansplaining stuff are everywhere. Men get believed more often and and people associate more authority with them. Also, men see other men as subjects that they can compete or bond with, but see women largely as objects that they want to possess and control. This is the patriarchy and the setting for our little joke here.
And in the light of all this sexism, it seems so frustrating to see an university running ads with obviously sexist tropes of one guy explaining stuff to all women around him. It doesn’t matter how anyone of these people identifies for our joke, because the message stays the same.
Saying “oh look you can do a master’s in mansplaining now” is funny because it desperately goes for any other explanation that the real reason for this ad is, namely sexism. “This must be a course on mansplaining, why would they show this otherwise?” It is a way to deal with how fucked up this world is by sarcastically twisting it so that it gives a seemingly delusional alternative answer.
I guess people who don’t experience a certain discrimination or who are not open to reflect upon it, won’t find this joke funny. Because without the pain and the comedic relief, this wouldn’t be funny. For a deeper explanation of this, see this fabulous video by contrapoints on exactly this topic:
“This must be a course on mansplaining, why would they show this otherwise?” It is a way to deal with how fucked up this world is by sarcastically twisting it so that it gives a seemingly delusional alternative answer.
yeah, that’s what you believe people are thinking.
I guess you are a woman. i am a man. so i am mansplaining this to you: you don’t know how men see other men. and you have no right to assume you know. stop doing that, it’s exhausting.
And apparently, this is not a joke at all, since what you want to achieve is coping with your insecurities, via condensation thinley veiled as sarcasm.
so the whole thing backfired, and resulted into you having to explain me how i should react.
stop doing that sort of thing, it is manipulation.
so, no wonder the whole thing did not make sense at all.
Disclaimer:
I was joking .-)
i get it after your explanation, I am onboard, it is a really well thought out piece of art, i love how it changes my male ineptitude for the better.
Thanks for the explanation, you were a good catch!
take care .-)
Joke’s on you, I’m actually a trans woman and have experienced going through the world as a man lol
P.S. deine Antwort erscheint mir so widersprüchlich, dass ich wirklich keimen blassen Schimmer hab, was du eigentlich Aussagen wolltest…
scheise, wieder reingefallen. bin autistisch und stehe auf logik, das ist alles. ich hab spaß am diskutieren, und ich wollte auf keinen fall deine gefühle und überzeugeungen verlrtzen
moment ma
du bist en kerl. hör bloß auf mit deinem patriarch gelaber, das ist ja opferumkehr oder sowas. naja, ich weiß nich, was es ist, aber irgendwas schlimmes hast du bestimmt angestellt. zumindest als du noch ein kerl warst, hast du männer und frauen als objekte gesehen und alles das. zum glück hast du deine fehler eingesehen und bist ne frau geworden. ne andere lösung für das dilemma scheints nämlich nicht zugeben, da toxische männlichkeit angebohrt, ist und nie weggeht und so.
k hau rein, danke daß du mir den witz erklärt hast, hab auch gelacht, war nett von dir, daß du dir die zeit genommen hast.
Äh, nee ich bin kein Kerl und war es auch nie. Aber ich habe als trans Frau trotzdem Erfahrungen, wie es ist, als Mann gesehen zu werden. Und natürlich objektifizieren wir alle mal andere Menschen, genauso wie wir ja auch seit klein auf rassistische, sexistische und andere diskriminierende Scheiße gefüttert werden. Niemand wird damit geboren, sondern wir werden so erzogen. Cis Männer sind genauso Menschen wie alle anderen, sie werden aber von Grund auf anders erzogen. Und natürlich hab ich auch schon in meinem Leben Scheiße gebaut, wie alle Menschen sich mal daneben benehmen. Du scheinst hier so ein schwarz-weiß Denken draus machen zu wollen, dass Männer sich scheiße verhalten und Frauen eben nicht. Das stimmt aber definitiv nicht und darum geht es nicht. Der Punkt ist, dass nicht als schon festgeschrieben zu sehen, sondern eben das zu reflektieren und darüber hinaus zu wachsen. Und nein, ich bin keine “Frau geworden”, weil ich da raus wollte, ich bin halt trans. So wie ich halt auch autistisch bin. Und auch cis Männer können was gegen ihre antrainierten Denkmuster angehen. Tun sie halt nur in der Regel nicht. Ich feier jeden Menschen, der seine Männlichkeit verrät und sich selbst reflektiert.
Und ja, ich stehe auch auf Logik und liebe diskutieren :)
I don’t think it’s funny, because the joke is illogical. If he is a teacher in a University, and it looks like it, that it is his job to mansplain.
So close. You seem to have Sheldon levels of understanding sarcasm.
It’s just a simple joke about the term being misapplied to an everyday setting.
i am autistic, i mean, for real. so I often trip over jokes, its far less than in childhood, but still…
Haha, I get it, it’s totally fine!
he has a PhD in breaking
Oh man, I still can’t believe she was an actual breaking academic. Just incredible.
“hello ladies, my name is Larry Haser, you can call me Laser and I’m going to show you all how to bust a move…first things first; you’ve all seen a kangaroo right?”
Aww shit, there are only women here, can we have the cleaning lady explaining it
Its ok. He’s probably explaining how menstruation works
…are you presuming her gender?..it’s a woman’s right to grow a beard if she chooses…
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