I evolutionary terms being edible to humans is quite useful.
Doubtful. Look what will happen with our bred plants and animals, if humans aren’t around anymore.
It worked for chickens…
Chickens are the most numerous bird on the planet, wheat covers more land area than any other plant.
Chickens are the most numerous bird on the planet
And live their lives in fucking misery and suvering, at least most of em.
But they keep reproducing, which is really all that it takes to make a successful species. It’s really not about suffering when it comes to evolution. Alleles don’t care whether or not suffering is involved.
I’m not advocating chicken farming, I’m just saying that in evolutionary terms, chickens are one of the most successful species on the planet.
I disagree.
Evolution is not so much a numbers game. Otherwise Bacteria, Ants, Viruses and the like would have to be crowned winners. So the point op brings up is mute.
The point you add, that they keep reproducing, is also not relevant in evelotionary terms. The short amount of time that we have domesticated chickens, let a side the very resent industalisation of animal farming (it started in the 1950s ish), is just not relevante in evelotionary terms.
I’d say what makes a successfull species is resilience. 99 % of all species have gone extinct. The “winners” of evelotion are, in my opinion, those species that have lasted the longest. And in that regard, chicken ain’t looking to good. They are highly dependent upon humans. Most industrial chickens are genetic aborninatons, bred for beeing fat, fast growing, egg laying machines to the point where their own bones brake because they lack calcium. I’d argue that chickens in their current form would not last long in “the wild”. Hence once humans are gone their is a high chance chickens will follow.
Otherwise Bacteria, Ants, Viruses and the like would have to be crowned winners.
They are. And you mean ‘moot.’
Also, you don’t know what evolution is. It’s a change in allele frequency over time. All that is needed for that is continued reproduction.
What’s the bottom imagine from?
Veep
Thank you! Watching episode 1 now!
Strap yourself in.
Nicotine, THC, and cocaine are also insecticides. And psilocybin might be an insect repellent.
Thanks poison!
Capsaicin is a fungicide, which is extremely useful in the environments where spicy peppers grow.
Drugs - natures mosquito repellant
So that’s the reason I’m not stung as badly as my friends!
Mosquitoes are such squares!
Tbf, this has proven to be extremely effective: Just think of how many tobacco or chili plants are grown today! Domestication really is a two-way-street
Are we farming the plants or are the plants farming us.
Poppies kill things?
Heroin, opium and morphine are derived from poppies. Too much of any narcotic and you die
Yeah but we need to process the shit out of it. It’s anything really going to die from eating some raw poppy seeds?
People die almost every year overdosing on tea made from poppy seeds.
The potency of the seeds vary so much that you can buy two jars and drinking a tea made from one will give you a decent buzz and the other will kill you if you drink half.
If an animal were to eat a seed pod, it could definitely die.
statistically no, but its possible to get a random group of poppyseeds that are extra potent. its why for example, South Korea bans it (as they dont even want the chance for them to get collected)
So how do we do poppy seed bagels?
The poppy seeds don’t contain the opiate, the surrounding latex contains it (visual: pomegranate seeds, and the inedible flesh you free it from).
Some of that opiate might get on the seeds, but its mixed into such quantities with other poppy seeds that the potency level is diluted to virtually nothing.
And yet, can still fuck the unlucky in a drug test.
Wow. I guess I need to eat more bagels
Well, we are pretty big for insects
It doesn’t really need to be processed much. Heated plant parts for tea and the sap is ready to smoke after drying. Both of these processes do count as processing but I would not say it counts as "process[ing] the shit out of it. "
To overdose to death on it you need to also purify and concentrate it. Animals aren’t even heating and smoking it.
You don’t need to purify to drink it just extract it. It’s hard to smoke enough opium to OD (which I guess counts as concentration through evaporation but isn’t purified to seperate alkoloids) to death without other drugs but it is pretty easy to over do it with just tea. Like a previous poster said tea extractions will have wildly varying potencies so they can kill even those with tolerance.
Sometimes, when a fruit or seed isn’t toxic enough for our taste, we make it liquid then make it ferment or age until some of it’s sugar turns into the deliciously neurotoxic ethanol.
“Hmm tastes good but could taste a bit closer to death.”
They just want to propagate. The best chance a plant has to do that is by being tasty or useful to humans so we cultivate them.
Completely unrelated but JLD is so freakin’ gorgeous in this pic.
I’ll just leave this here.
Nettle tea is also great!
What does anyone have against “u”, fucking fuck?
Americans have been trying to eliminate the letter"u" for centuries.
No u
NO V
Sooo actually why land mammals can’t filter out salt from seawater?
Actually if you are on a raft with a limited amount of fresh water, you can mix in some sea water to stretch it out a bit. I think if you use a third seawater its ok, but don’t quote me on that.
Erm, if im on a raft im gonna be quoting you so you better be right.
PSA: if you’re on a remote island or dysfunctional yet floating ship do not abandon it unless truly necessary - raft will be always more dangerous
Would aliens actually be weirded out by this quality of humans?
I feel like any sufficiently intelligent species living on a planet will have some degree of biodiversity on said planet. And the chances of something being made to be a poison/deterrent for creatures other than the intelligent species is probably a large one, because it’s pretty hard for plants and animals to make a poison/deterrent that kills everything without also killing itself. So if there is a gap for itself, there is a gap for other life to coexist with the toxin. And that’s before accounting for the fact that something can be safe at low levels, provide benefits/stimulation/good feels at low levels, and toxic at high levels.
So I’d think it would be pretty natural for intelligent life to consume things that are harmful to huge swaths of other creatures.
Works best with the Earth-is-a-deathworld trope
If we were the aliens and came across two worlds inhabited by intelligent life I would probably be more weirded out by the one where nobody uses any mind altering substance like caffeine that are poisonous to other animals.
It is kinda weird that humans are so resilient to so many things though. It’s part of being scavenging omnivores, but alients with a more specialized diet might be weirded out.
Dogs can eat rotting meat and lick unwashed balls and ass but die from fucking grapes. 🤷🏼♂️
Humans can fuck grapes with impunity
I… I don’t think I can.
Not with that attitude
I just can’t see it ever happening.
I don’t mean any disrespect, and I don’t want to kink shame, but that kinda thing is just not my bag, baby.
Seems like a skill issue to me.
nothing worse than getting a grape seed stuck in your peehole…
Sounds painful. Like gallstones, but backwards. On the plus side, probably less scratchy. On the minus side, maybe more citric acid.
Dude, I don’t mean to boast, but honestly, I think my dick is just WAY too big. Like, I would DESTROY that grape instantly if I tried. It’s not just a trick of the camera angle, it just is that big. Honestly, I don’t even need to get out a measuring tape to tell you that even with a massive grape, it’s just not going to fit.
You’re not being creative enough. You could have a bowl/cup of grapes, and use that. Or maybe alternatively you could blend/mash them up, let them dry out a bit to stiffen up, then use that.
C’mon David. They want you to. Do it for them, buddy.
The grapes? I can never tell when a grape wants some action. My whole life, I’ve missed every single signal. Well, that, or the grapes just don’t find me attractive, like, EVER.
Potentially. But think of it this way, there are somewhere around 400,000 plant species out there.
https://news.mongabay.com/2016/05/many-plants-world-scientists-may-now-answer/
Based on this list, something on the order of like 99.5% of plants are either not safe, or not useful/beneficial. If other species on our planet share a similar rate without complete overlap, then it’s practically a guarantee that there will be thousands of plants that are safe and useful for us but not for other species. That doesn’t feel particularly strange or unlikely. So even with a specialized diet, I don’t think the numbers would be much different.
It also could be the case that being scavenging omnivores is a strong precursor to becoming intelligent. If your species is on the rise in terms of intelligence, you’re probably using that to expand your food sources wide and far.
That’s based on species though, so it would overrepresent unlikely encounters. I can go eat pine bark or grass on any continent and probably be A-OK.
I do wonder how that data compares with other mammals though. Is it just average, or is it significantly higher?
That’s based on species though, so it would overrepresent unlikely encounters.
That is fair, but also consider that an intelligent species isn’t going to be limited by chance encounters. I regularly eat bananas, but I don’t live in India. I regularly eat pineapples, but I don’t live in Costa Rica. Very little of my diet is comprised of food that is native to my area. As an intelligent species, we farm food en masse, ship it around the world, and plant things outside of their natural habitat.
I do wonder how that data compares with other mammals though. Is it just average, or is it significantly higher?
Purely speculating, I’d wager slightly above average as a result of the thing I said about omnivores being a precursor to becoming intelligent.
an intelligent species isn’t going to be limited by chance encounters.
That’s actually a fantastic point, we change our environment to be more suitable to ourselves, including cultivating unique yet safe species. I’ve never heard of a poison dart frog farm, nor a field of death caps.
For mammals we are, sure, but there’s loads of things that’d kill humans that other animals chow down on perfectly happily, especially when it comes to microorganisms, mushrooms and the rotting things they’re often found in/around
I don’t think scavenging is right also given that, humans used to mainly pick fresh fruits and persistence hunt, both of which are very fresh food which is not overlooked or left by others… Given the fact we picked fresh fruits and hunted for fresh meat, being resistant to berry and fruit based poisons was more important than microorganism based ones, so it makes a lot of sense that so many of the non-intoxicating poisons we like are from fruits and berries
Scavenging carcasses and chasing predators away from a kill is definitely a behavior we had in the past. Particularly during droughts and famines, scavenging would be an important food source on the Saharan scrubland. IIRC, this would’ve been before persistence hunting was a thing, back in the H.erectus days, maybe even as far back as some Australopiths.
We would also scavenge fallen fruits and berries that were at least partially decayed. It’s most likely how we discovered the intoxicating effects of alcohol.
I know it’s just a typo, but the image “alients” conjured in my head is pretty funny. I have less than zero artistic talent or I’d share it with you all. Hopefully the mental image is enough.
Aliens tree people is an interesting picture indeed.
Aliens would extract our bile and earwax.
My precious bodily fluids!!
Rain water and grain alcohol for me
Goddamn I need to watch it again.
HFY vibes
