Funny how most people living in the Palestine region aren’t natives but arabs and most actual natives live in Israel very normal and Happy lifes.
Fuck off fascist.
They are native to the region. The prevailing theory derived from genetic testing best estimates Levantine Arab descendants and before that Canaanite. It also shows their genetics are consistent with the other natives in the region, meaning they came from there. But dont let facts split your hate.
Do the Jewish people have any genetic history linking them there too?
(I’m not pro Israel, nor am I setting up an argument. I don’t know and am genuinely curious)
Jewish communities are native to the region. Something Muslim communities has been trying to change for centuries.
As an example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed
Mizrahi and a lot of other native Jewish people do. Including Palestinians, who are mostly Jewish genetically even if most no longer practice the religion.
Ashkenazi, aka most European/white Jews do not have any real genetic heritage in the region, being mostly made up of converts with exceedingly small amounts of the original families that went north. Ashkenazis are what most Jewish Zionists are; which im sure is just coincidence.
Yes, there were claims that the Romans forced all the Jews out of Judea but evidence indicates it was relatively small groups.
What actually happened was conversion under the Caliphates after the Arab conquests.
That I dont know. I do know that due to Judaism being a religion, that has caused more mixing in their genetics with groups from other regions. From the same Wikipedia source it basically says their genetics are more fanned out depending on the diaspora.
Oh yeah, good and interesting point. It’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
Ohhhh wow a wikipedia article! Anything less credible for a political topic? Aljazera?
Seems you dont trust peer reviewed processes. Notice you also had nothing to defend your statement so you attacked my source. Nice.
yeah as compared to the conservatives sitting there so on the right side.
Conservatives are just liberals, 10 years behind.
They mean neoliberals…
which conservatives are a type of…
ah yeah. makes a bit more sense.
modern asymmetrical warfare.
if my ancestors had suicide bombers instead of literally sticks I might not be mostly white.
The same way that AT THE TIME everyone rooted for the cowboys, not the Indians (Native Americans, but taking a little poetic license); everyone rooted for the glorious British Empire, not any the the “backwards 3rd world countries” they invaded; etc. The key is that public opinion is swayed by those that own the media, and that means rich old white men.
Hur dur and it was the conservatives that wanted to end slavery and stop going to war in the Middle East.
Who needs reality when you can just invent your own?
In this context liberals are just less conservative conservatives.
(And seeing where D is going, I’d say that’s true in the usual context also.)
I think it is easier just to shit on anything you don’t really understand. Hence why we get low effort memes like this.
Do liberals and progressives bear some responsibility for what happened? Certainly. But they were also the only ones advocating for fair treatment.
Looking at the current admin and the Palestine situation, I don’t see how it makes a difference if D leadership care slightly more than R leadership about what is going on in Gaza. (Though I’m voting for Kamala anyhow, for the reasons you’d think.) They clearly aren’t doing anything about it beyond some exceptionally low energy lip service - and how many months did it take to even get to that point?
But I have to admit in a vacuum I personally wouldn’t have titled the meme that way. It’s Colonizers.
I also don’t think it’s low effort. It’s a worthwhile reminder that for as long as there are indigenous and less technologically developed populations located on land that wealthy more developed peoples want to exploit, we’ll just keep making the same cruel decision over and over.
Pinning colonialism on liberals is very low effort. It shows a profound lack of understanding.
The Democratic party cannot do anything until after the election and can only make a positive difference if they win big in Congress as well.
I really can’t get behind trying to make liberals into a whipping boy. It really reeks of whataboutism and propaganda designed to prevent liberals and progressives from making a difference by souring people against them.
Just as a thought experiment imagine protesting against and lobbying a Democratic President and Congress over a Republican President and Congress about the treatment of Palestinians.
Everything else you said I can agree with though.
Pinning colonialism on liberals is very low effort
I did say I’d have titled it Colonizers not Liberals.
you’d think a person posting on leftymemes would understand that the OP is criticising liberals from the left
For sure. I mean you can go back to the 1700’s and the people advocating for treating native populations with kindness and care were all liberal. Perhaps not all people who called themselves liberal though agreed with this.
The conservatives back then viewed them as sub human to be used and abused.
One of my points about viewing these times with a modern lense is they knew even back then that we were mistreating natives. So it is some ways fair to judge them for what they did.
Zionism fundamentally conflicts with Liberal ideas of oppression and hierarchy. Its hard for them to understand that a historically (and to a lesser extent currently) marginalized group (Jewish people) could perpetuate the very oppression and pain they experienced. Israel is also the “civilized” Western country that “supports queer rights and neurodivergant people” (fun fact: Israel has a special military branch where they make vulnerable and often mentally disabled people commit horrific crimes against humanity). In addition it conflicts with the Liberal idea that Judaism is a “progressive religion” leading to cognitive dissidence (can personally not confirm, Judaism is just as regressive as any other religion. I would know, ive been Jewish my entire life).
No religion can really be progressive.
Correct, especially not one as old and deep rooted in ethnonationalism as Judaism.
Being gpd’s chosen people invalidates any progressiveness outright.
TBH I’d be in favour of a machine that slaps people in the face with a large trout every time they say or write the word “liberal(s)”. Nothing smart is ever uttered with that word in it.
The moment anyone says the word “liberals” I know it’s going to be fantasy.
The fact user was banned over that comment tells me everything I need to know about this instance.
Don’t let documented cases of local Muslims attacking local Jewish communities going as far as the 1800 confuse your hate!
It’s greed and propaganda.
Just the same way there are (only some??) people now saying ‘genocide and inflicting deliberate suffering & destruction/eradication is bad’ in relation to Palestine, there were non-racists & non-robbing people at the time of the other pictured “conflicts”.
Not even that few of them (bcs humans tend to know what caused suffering & what suffering is), but overshadowed by the spoils & triumphs of “war”.But the formula remains the same, designate a group of people as less than human/incompetent savages (or whether the Zionist correct term for Palestinians is now), repeatedly tell people that have nothing to do with them how bad (they need them to think) they are, which pacifies the majority into silent compliancy & complicity.
Step 2: bloody profit.Only once everything is raped & pillaged the propaganda loses it’s fuel & the remaining human voices remain, the voices that have been saying the same thing from the start.
Tl;dr: generic genocide in progress “good”, historically looking at genocide (by the same fucking people that genocided in the first place) “bad”.
