(Disclaimer: I voted against Trump and anyone who supported him in my state.)
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One of the biggest things is that the “deep state”, an innocuous thing turned into a convenient boogeyman by trump, will be quietly destroyed. This is the thing that actually keep your mail arriving, your food edible and your children’s toys not coated in lead. The “deep state”, meaning actual subject matter experts doing their jobs throughout entire government for years, regardless of current administration, are all going to be replaced by kid rock and vaping young republicans fresh from dropping out of their second semester in at The University of Southern Alabama State.
That’s who’s going to be the dude inspecting your meat for e.coli and signing off on the clinical trials for your perception meds - Gunner, Hunter and Ryder.
Really don’t think anyone is considering the reality of how deeply fucked we’re going to be as we’re all fixed fully on the front door for obvious signs of trouble (immediate societal decay), while this broken people fill the crawlspace with fertilizer and gasoline and kick in the backdoor with flamethrowers in hand.
We’re fucked, and we’re going to be focused on monitoring the wrong indicators of how fucked, until it is just beyond any repair within any of our lifetimes. You’re going to have FIVE fundamentally broken petite on the Supreme Court for the rest of your life. It’s over.
Nothing will happen. We’ll all get up in the morning, maybe eat some breakfast, go to work, come home, play with the kids, eat some dinner, may shag your wife/husband, go to bed. Repeat. I can’t wait for four years to fly and be just as boring as the last four years.
O, to be so proverbially blissful.
O, to be so unrealistically terrified. Filled with misery and woe.
Living up to the middle of your username, I see.
Gottem
surprise pregnancy, wife suffers from complications, isn’t allowed to abort, dies painfully
That could have happened in specific states anytime in the last 2.5 years. That’s not specific to the next four years.
surprise pregnancy
or rape. even incest. better not live in a red state if you have ovaries.
Oh, my sweet sweet summer child…
Actually, maybe that’s what life will be like for a white, upper middle class, cisgender-heterosexual married male in his late 30s-40s, but for anyone who isn’t that… oh boy are we fucked.
Well, I guess you better hurry up and become those things.
The truth is it’s unlikely anything historically big is going to happen in the US. We saw what Trump did last time he was in office, and it was really bad, but it was recoverable. The fear isn’t that it’s likely, but that it’s far from a non-zero chance, and there’s very little we can do about it. That uncertainty is scary when we’ve had a relatively good time in recent decades.
Will we see a sudden shift toward a state where you can get jailed or murdered for being a dissident? Maybe, but probably not.
Will we see an escalation of the wars involving Israel, such that we see a WWIII and/or the first nuclear strike since WWII? Maybe, but probably not.
Will we see economic collapse causing widespread hunger and homelessness that we haven’t seen since the Great Depression? Maybe, but probably not.
The only thing that’s really a guarantee is that we’re another four years away from dealing with climate change, and while that’s massive for humanity down the line, individuals currently living in the US are probably going to be mostly fine. Not to say nobody will be affected - hurricanes, floods, fires, and so on - but it won’t cause catastrophic failure of society in the near future.
We saw what Trump did last time he was in office, and it was really bad, but it was recoverable.
Except putting people in cages at the border and separating children from families. Many families still have not been reunited.
Except the million people that died from Covid-19 due to the government putting the economy over human lives.
Except the stuffing of judicial positions, including the supreme court, that same court that basically made him a king and free from any consequences from all the laws he broke.
Except for our air, land, food and water becoming more toxic and polluted due to Trump’s rollback of EPA protections.
Except all the pregnant women who are dying or forced to carry their rapist’s baby due to that packed court overturning roe v wade.
Except the people of color who rebelled and rioted during the george floyd protests but then the government showed up in unmarked vans and took people away, while the police shot more innocent people and busted heads, and almost nothing changed for the better regarding police violence.
Except the trans people who are now illegal in the state of Florida for having a driver’s license that matches their gender identity, or the bounty on trans people in a town in Texas, or the governor of Texas trying to get lists of trans people to hunt down and prosecute. Or insurance companies refusing to cover trans-related healthcare. Or trans people being shunned by their peers and excluded from sports. Or the violence against LGBTQ people that’s doubled in the last year. All enabled and emboldened by Trump and Trumpism.
I haven’t recovered from any of this shit.
With or without Trump, the new normal is fascism in America. Every american needs to fight every bad policy, every bad law, every bad decision, every threat – every day – until there are no more fascists in power.
Let me be clear here. If we have a global nuclear war, that’s not recoverable, because every human on earth will be dead. If we enter a fascist dictatorship with today’s technology, that may not be recoverable, because we may see the permanent end of anything resembling a democracy.
I’m not saying there weren’t horrific atrocities committed during Trump’s reign. What I’m saying is that so far, there’s a chance future generations can live better lives.
Counterpoint (and please, I am literally begging you to talk me off this cliff): Trump didn’t know anything about being President the first time. I believe that he thought Presidents could do whatever they wanted. The team he had around him, while you can call them assholes and pieces of shit and every other name in the book, understood how the government and the Presidency worked and were able to reign him in.
All of those people are now gone and he will be surrounded by purely yes-men. He will promote the Generals who will be loyal to him, not the country or the Constitution. Couple that with the newfound Presidential immunity, and Trump has all but free reign to do whatever he wants. He will also appoint judges, like Aileen Cannon, who are loyal to him. Those judges, thanks to the Supreme Court overturning the Chevron deference, will now be the “experts” instead of federal agencies.
I do agree that there probably won’t be a sudden shift, but there will be a shift and we will feel it in almost every aspect of our life. He supposedly promised to put RFK Jr in charge of numerous health agencies and campaigned on getting rid of the Department of Education. And I very much recall at least two instances where he said this is the last election you’ll have to vote in. Is he going to find/create a way to suspend the 2028 election and stay in power? Who’s going to stop him?
On top of what you just mentioned, rather than Trump surrounding himself with incompetent toadies and yes-men, I think a lot of smarter, more powerful, and more dangerous people have taken the last 4 years to worm their way into his ranks.
He’s established himself as a useful idiot. During his first 4 years we saw the idiot part glaringly. It was scary and embarrassing, but we scraped by and experienced a few years of relatively boring politics. My big worry is that we’ll see the useful part exploited much more effectively this time around.
It is worse.
Trump started with either incompetent yes men who didn’t know how to govern or competent yes men who tried controlling the damage that the President caused.
You now have a group of coordinated people who see Trump as willing to agree with whatever as long as he looks good enough.
And I very much recall at least two instances where he said this is the last election you’ll have to vote in. Is he going to find/create a way to suspend the 2028 election and stay in power? Who’s going to stop him?
That’s why I said it’s possible, I just don’t think it’s probable. People are loyal to Trump until they’re not. Nobody’s loyal to him because they like him or they think he’s a good guy, or because they think he’ll bring the country prosperity. They’re loyal because they think they can get something out of it. Most people aren’t in a position where they’re willing to give up literally everything to help this particular asshole become a dictator. Those that are are typically incompetent - see anything and everything related to stealing the 2020 election. They tried a LOT of things, but nothing came even close to working.
So they’ll try again, and I don’t think anybody’s doubting that. And I don’t think our institutions are particularly strong, but they’re probably strong enough to stop that kind of incompetence from leading to a dictatorship.
Finally a level-headed take. The world isn’t ending overnight, it’ll just get shittier
I feel like the U.S. is becoming similar to Russia. For example, we are seeing an autocratic strongman holding the highest office and only vaguely behaving within the democratic system, with a clear intent to rule unilaterally with a congress and Supreme Court that are less checks and more support for maintaining the power base. And as generations continue to experience this way of life, America as a society will forget what it was like for the past 250 years where both parties respected the system with peaceful transfer of power.
It’s sad, but fascinating in a kind of slow motion train crash to be alive for.
depends on how much of his immunity he chooses to exercise. also be intrtesting to see how many of the new repuglicans fall into line with his shit policy
anywhere from not really, to literally world war 3.
trump is a loose cannon.
We do not win here.
Some of you people didn’t pay attention to the Congressional results and it shows.
What do you mean ? (The house is on track to be won by the gop. The senate is won by the gop. I just want to understand your point.)
“Not really” isn’t an option.
The question isn’t how fucked America is, that answer is some shade of “very.”
The question is who is going down with us.
Ha gotcha, thank you
It all depends on whether they’re competent and can act together for their goals. Many of those goals are truly horrible, but
- Trumps first term was incompetent, fractured. Despite all the chaos and destruction, they did nowhere near as much damage to peoples lives and democracy as they wanted to
- My conservative brother is all too typical, dismissing the worst statements as “he’s not serious. He’d never do that”. We have to hope people like my brother are right
- their goal is narcissism and their methods are stoking outrage: is it possible they’re not actually evil, don’t actually pay attention to what comes out of their own mouths? Are they even capable of working together? Making Trump rich and stoking his ego would be a travesty, but far less damaging than what he says he’ll do
II think it’s entirely possible the world is fucked. Climate crisis won’t come during his 2nd administration, but the 4 years we lose in national and international regulation is going to make it impossible to prevent.
It’ll be slow, but before 2061, I expect the death of the global Internet, and global shipping, and most air travel. Electrical grids will fracture or fail and the pieces used for smaller (at most regional) grid. Cities won’t be able to maintain the sewer pumps, and Cholera will start killing people again. Gas lines will stop maintaining pressure.
I don’t plan on sticking around that long. My BP has always been bad, so I figure just indulging my vices will make this no my problem, and I don’t have a partner or descendants.
If you prefer not embracing despair, I suggest looking into how you and your dearest can survive without infrastructure. Local food production, local power and medicine production. Don’t count on supplies you can’t retrieve within a day of travel, and don’t count on the state to maintain roads. “Solarpunk” might be a good search term. Also, might prepare for unpredictable shifts in the local climate, like preferring indoor growing.
If anyone has data that says we can avoid climate collapse with no new national or international regulation before 2029, I’d love to hear it. Please.
Slightly worse than with Harris. But the downward trend would never stop.
This is going to create the political order we will live under for the rest of our lives.
Glad you asked.
Lol, “the fault is not hers”
Objectively, the standards applied to the two candidates is wildly different, I’m not sure why we blame anyone other than voters, at this point.
She holds some blame, but at the end of the day there are nearly 18 million people that didn’t vote for her, but did vote for biden. The only reasonable conclusion to draw is, well, she’s black and even worse: a woman.
(second part is /s)
It’s no /s, black men got the vote before women for a reason.
We must come to the realization that America is deeply racist and sexist, incapable of electing a Black, Asian woman to its highest office because of our culture’s innate, widespread, and unreconciled bias and hatred.
If that’s true, then why on earth would the DNC do everything in their power to ensure that was the only “choice” available to voters? Do they like losing?
Who cares, it’s what they want and what they voted for, AGAIN. I’d be more concerned about the rest of the world. America can go off in a puff of smoke and it would be the best thing the ever did
Listen, I hate my country right now, and am disgusted by the people who live here…
That’s it, that’s the end of my sentence.
Except your trade would be hindered. Russia would plow through Europe. The power vacuum made by America “puffing up in smoke” would be so great and horrific it would probably overshadow WW2 total deaths.
The Rise of Trudeau
Lol wut? Is this a meme, or am I about to go down a rabbit hole?
Nah i was trying to make a jokes about the US leaving a vacuum
Lmao Texas, Florida and Arizona wouldn’t be able to handle the idea of that.
“UNITED STATES OF CANADA”
America was actually going to annex Canada at some point a while back too.
Actually delusional
You must be a confused on what it is America does around here. Forget the public distractions of television and the political discourses.
Ask yourself a question, why isn’t Russia in Europe right now? Why are pirates not commandeering trade ships? Like it or not youre asking for your securities to be removed. Or wishing it.
The fact that Russia is struggling to sustain a war with a country with relatively weak military power, should indicate why your statements are delusional. That aside, the UK and France have nuclear power. Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have nuclear weapons sharing statues.
If we take away morality, and the fact that no one wants to have ww3, what makes you think they can do any real damage to Europe?
And the pirates comment is hilarious, when Europe has the UK and France.
You greatly overestimate what the USA does for Europe, and the impact then disappearing would have on the continent, across the entire ocean from them
No idea why you’re downvoted. You’re right. USA not existing would suck for many people, yes. Especially Israel. Europe not so much.
Especially Israel
Why? They rolled Iran’s proxies, and (if western media is to be believed) Iran itself has been shown to be a paper tiger. Their big ballistic missile attack was neutered, and the big air strike on their soil was reported to be very devastating to air defenses and missile construction.
So we have a situation of Schrodinger’s Iran. They are simultaneously super dangerous, and to quote Kamala Harris “Iran is greatest U.S. adversary.” Or they are no match for Israel’s superior technology and intelligence agencies.
Fine you win. You surely are more experienced in this than I am.
Lmao these are their publicly stated goals, take your head out of the sand
It’s business as usual.
What happened to the Iranian left after 1979’s revolution:
The Iranian left played a significant role in the 1979 revolution but was ultimately suppressed and marginalized by Ayatollah Khomeini’s Islamist forces in the aftermath. Here’s an overview of what happened to leftist groups after the revolution:
Initial Collaboration and Support
Many leftist groups initially supported and collaborated with Khomeini’s movement to overthrow the Shah:
- Various Marxist-Leninist, socialist, and communist organizations participated in the revolutionary coalition[5].
- Some leftist groups like the Tudeh Party (pro-Soviet communists) and Fedayeen (urban guerillas) attracted many student members[5].
- The leftist-Islamist group Mujahedin also gained significant support among students[5].
- Many leftists viewed Khomeini’s movement as anti-imperialist and hoped to push it in a more progressive direction[1].
Gradual Suppression
However, Khomeini and his allies soon moved to sideline and suppress leftist forces:
- In March 1979, Khomeini declared “do not use this term, ‘democratic.’ That is the Western style,” signaling his opposition to liberal and leftist ideals[2].
- The National Democratic Front (a leftist group) was banned in August 1979[2].
- Universities were purged of leftist influence starting in March 1980[2].
- By early 1981, the government had closed MEK (People’s Mujahedin) offices, banned their newspapers, and issued arrest warrants for their leaders[2].
Violent Crackdown
The suppression of the left intensified into violent persecution:
- Between 1981-1985, nearly 8,000 political opponents were executed, many of them leftists[3].
- In 1988, a “Death Committee” oversaw the mass execution of leftist prisoners[1].
- Overall, the Islamic Republic’s crackdown on dissent was far more brutal than the Shah’s regime, which had executed fewer than 100 political prisoners between 1971-1979[3].
Reasons for Failure
Several factors contributed to the left’s inability to maintain influence:
- Lack of unity and organization among moderate and radical leftist factions[2].
- Underestimation of the conservatism of the Iranian masses[2].
- The left’s secular ideology conflicted with the religious fervor driving much of the revolution[1].
- Khomeini’s skillful co-opting of leftist anti-imperialist and social justice rhetoric into an Islamist framework[3][4].
Legacy
By the end of 1979, the “secular middle class” and liberals had been largely sidelined, leaving mainly Islamist factions in power[2]. The suppression of the left helped consolidate the Islamic Republic’s hold on power and narrowed the range of acceptable political ideologies in Iran[3]. However, some leftist ideas around social justice and anti-imperialism were incorporated into the Islamic Republic’s ideology, albeit in a religious framework[4].
Citations: [1] Ideology and Iran’s Revolution: How 1979 Changed the World https://institute.global/insights/geopolitics-and-security/ideology-and-irans-revolution-how-1979-changed-world [2] Aftermath of the Iranian revolution - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_the_Iranian_Revolution [3] Four decades later, did the Iranian revolution fulfill its promises? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/four-decades-later-did-the-iranian-revolution-fulfill-its-promises/ [4] What Iran’s 1979 revolution meant for the Muslim Brotherhood https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-irans-1979-revolution-meant-for-the-muslim-brotherhood/ [5] How Iran’s Theocrats Allied With — and Then Crushed — the Left https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism [6] Iranian Revolution | Summary, Causes, Effects, & Facts - Britannica https://www.britannica.com/event/Iranian-Revolution
If you’re a white Christian male you are the shit.
Anyone else is losing rights
Also Trump will declare martial law after 4 years with presidential immunity and every position of power stacked with handpicked loyalists.
Unless there is a revolution of some kind the US will probably go the path of Nazi Germany after Hitler achieved total control
white Christian males are also susceptible to measles and pollution and severe storms
Inb4 Trump’s Nazi base on Venus.
