Maybe I’m just face-blind or being dense but the photos from the scene of the crime look like a different dude than the ginning hostel check in guy. The jackets and backpacks are different. Although people can have multiple jackets and backpacks. We don’t see much of the shooters face but the eyebrows look different. Although, people can pluck/shave eyebrows. I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
I sure as fuck wouldn’t. I know enough not to come anywhere near the police if they’re scrutinizing me for any reason, even if I know 100% I’m innocent and I can prove it. You absolutely cannot trust them not to just arrest you and railroad you into a bullshit conviction anyway, or plant some evidence, or decide “he had a knife” and just outright kill you. You know how they say “anything you say can be used against you?” That’s because they absolutely won’t use it to help you, even if you’re not guilty of anything.
I am positive city hall is breathing down the NYPD’s neck real hard right now. The entire department has got a lot of egg on its face for not being able to stop this guy, not being able to positively identify this guy, hell, not even know with any certainty where he went afterwards. They are under immense pressure to hang somebody – anybody – over this because they’re looking even more like chumps than usual.
So no, a wise man would not expose himself to the cops in any way whatsoever.
Fair point. I suspect that the NYPD doesn’t really want to bring him in alive.
A dead suspect checks the boxes. Can’t dispute facts with evidence. Allows the media to say they got him. Gives them an easy victory.
The CEOs get a false sense of security and are lured out of hiding. Then the real killer guns down another one. Rinse and repeat.
C’mon man! You should have ended with “Another one bites the dust”.
Then we could all have it playing in our head!
And if the cops do ask and want to pursue questioning you … you don’t talk to the cops in this situation and just ask for a lawyer … they ask what your name is - lawyer … what is your date of birth - lawyer … where are you from? lawyer … lawyer, lawyer, lawyer
Never talk to the cops, especially when the cops are desperately looking for a suspect.
Don’t ask. Tell them to get you your lawyer.
What if you don’t have a lawyer? I know the state can set one up for you, but I also know those lawyers are overworked. They take on something like 12,000 cases per year, and get on average 4 minutes to prepare your case.
Could I just call my mom and be like “FIND A LAWYER RIGHT NOW PLEASE!”?
It’s the state’s responsibility/problem to bring you a lawyer if you can’t afford one before the police question you. If the cops are so sure you committed a crime then they’ll charge you and get a public defender assigned so they can interrogate you with a lawyer present. If they don’t have enough evidence they’ll try to bully you into talking without a lawyer present and trick you into confessing. This is one of 403 reasons why it’s important to ask for a lawyer then shut the fuck up until your lawyer arrives.
You can use your phone call for whomever, just know it’s not private and you best hope whomever you call will actually help you.
The distinction I was making is that the response to “can you get me a lawyer?” could just be the cops walking out of the room and coming back several hours later and seeing if you’ve changed your mind. The same thing for “I’ll wait till my lawyer is here.”
Isn’t your “phone call” a Hollywood trope? It’s not like you get to gamble on the highest stakes call of your life (oops, line’s busy or you misdialed or whatever), but you only get one chance like it’s some legal gotcha the cops can pull on a suspect.
At least in Florida, according to this, you are entitled to complete at least one phone call.
I’ve been in enough jails to say with some certainty: it depends. Like unmagical posted, some places you will absolutely get a phone call at some point. In others, it’s pretty much an ‘executive privilege.’
The truth lies in the squishy, wet world of humanity, not the written word of the law. In one jail I know of, they’d give you three chances to make a free phone call (the other party has to accept, because they can’t let an abuser call the abusee without some warning of who it is), and if they weren’t busy, you would be able to keep trying for a couple of hours. Another place, you might get the phone call, but it could be 18+ hours after you were brought in and you had already seen the judge, been given a personal recognizance bond, and would be delaying your exit from said jail if you made the call. Jailers sometimes like to put the thumb screws to you in any way they can.
Most of the time, inmates will have access to a phone 24/7. Even in solitary, a phone was available. It looked like a pay phone strapped to a dolly that got wheeled right up to the door of the cell and the phone would stick through the little food slot you could look out of. Those phones require money on their account, and it works in a similar manner to the old collect calls. Those phone calls can be as expensive as a dollar a minute. A law was passed in the US around the end of Obama’s term or the beginning of Trump’s that was supposed to set a limit on how much those calls could cost, but I don’t remember what came of it.
I don’t know what you were doing to end up in enough jails to know that, but I suspect that if there’s additional knowledge here, it’s that we should probably not do whatever that was
Was about to send that first link. Glad someone beat me to it.
It is ALWAYS “shut the fuck up” Friday.
Never talk to the police, there are many reasons why
Massad Ayoub is the man when it comes to firearms and law. I know of no one more expert.
Making a murderer is all you have to see to know this is the truth. I feel so bad for that family.
Yes! A real eye opener for me!
The cops need to present a suspect so they can say they did their job. Whether it’s the right suspect is another matter.
We did it,
redditNYPD!Yep, if something like this can happen, it might not be the best idea to go to the police:
Man pressured to confess he killed his dad. His dad was alive and well [3:40]
Fuck I had to stop watching after the bit with his dog. That’s heartbreaking
Everything went as expected. The officers were promoted.
Guess who’s going to pay that 900,000. YOU.
They only care that the forms are filed. They don’t care if they are filed with correct information.
I bet they stop releasing info because of the public reaction. At this poiny, they want us to forget and not have copycats. They’re scared.
Storm troopers murder these kinds of people rather than expose the injustice system.
You are correct. I’ve been watching a lot of true crime on YouTube lately and regardless whether someone is guilty or innocent, it seems it is ALWAYS in your best interest to get lawyered up and keep quiet if the cops are interrogating you.
I have mixed feelings about the guilty assholes, because it’s frustrating seeing someone give up their rights and be so open about their crimes but on the other hand, I’m glad they’re so dumb so they can be removed from society and punished.
But it is nothing but frustration seeing innocent people go through that out of genuine sincerity. “I have nothing to hide, so I’ll be open with the cops.” Fucking do not. No matter how low the statistic actually is, there is too much at stake to risk encountering someone who twists your words and uses it against you to frame you so they can close a case.
Lawyer up and shut up. Don’t talk to cops as much as you can help it. Especially don’t volunteer to have your name cleared.
Wow. Dood. Your reality sounds stressful.
Its like an episode of Law and Order but in real life!
Especially just murdering you. Lot harder to get a corpse to testify that they didn’t do it. Makes it a LOT easier to say “well, they did it, but they’re dead now, case closed.”
Just imagine this is green text.
Nab the wrong guy
Shoot him in the back 53 times while screaming “stop resisting!”
Investigate ourselves, find no wrongdoing
“Case closed, boys!”
…
Police chief gets got by The Adjuster the next day…
This is sound advice. There are too many bad actors among cops to trust them to be impartial or fair.
Everyone keeps saying look at this photo of the suspect. All I see is an image that won’t load.
Weird.
Oh really? The image loads for me, but I certainly didn’t see anything.
Some say it was John Cena
Maybe the perp is wearing camouflage? I’ve also had trouble making anything out.
I feel like this is all viral marketing for that jacket because it looks very warm and I want one
These are all different people, and two of the images look fake.
The two on the right are the same guy, just look at the waffle looking thing on the right, it’s the same jacket, mask, etc. the left and the right are definitely not the same jacket or backpack. The left jacket doesn’t look like it has breast pockets at all.
it’s honestly laughable, im race blind but also they are obviously of entirely different ethnic origin IMHO
What is race blind?
Then what do you see if you watch Nascar? Or the Daytona 500? Do you think you’re just watching them broadcasting the craziest traffic report ever???
It’s just an empty track for hours. So pretty much as boring as it already is.
It’s when Vin Diesel and Paul Walker pull up to a red light next to each other, and no one see’s what happens next
honestly no clue i don’t even know what race is
They have over 200 photos already. I think the smiling photos are on a different day.
If they’re on a different day then it’s even less believable.
These all look like different people with photos from different places at different times of the day. Probably their AI matched them and the coppers just had a quick glance, then put them on this panel.
Honestly, I doubt the person who shot him would actually be mad at being caught. He might’ve started a movement.
He might’ve started a movement.
I really dislike the hero worship going on. For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
He’s not getting caught. The whole thing was obviously planned well. Never mind the professional technique and all that gun stuff, no, just consider the fact that he knew where and when to do it. How the hell did he track down the whereabouts of some relatively unknown CEO on a public street? That shows that the attack was carefully planned and of course any good plan includes an escape.
It’s the manifesto he left and that he did it on the security camera.
This assassin did this with extreme precision and enough awareness that he knew the camera was there.
It wasn’t a hired hit. This was a statement.
That’s what the bullet casing engravings would suggest. As far as cameras go…it’s hard to not be on one anywhere.
Yet, they only shared one video.
Interesting isn’t it?
Not really? Why is that interesting?
Like you said, it’s hard to not be on security cameras, and they only shared the video of the attack that had a couple of frames of the upper half of his face. So they are looking for someone with the upper half of their face.
If it was a hired hit, it would be pretty clever to put those words on the casings to make it look like a political statement.
It would end up so lame if it was just the ceo’s wife that hired a hit man and the casings were only a red herring.
Movie title “Last American Hero.”
It wasn’t a hired hit. This was a statement.
Hitmen can be hired to make statements.
Well, it was a good statement.
He put the fear in the elite. But clearly not enough.
Definitely. I don’t disagree with the statement, I just think it’s poor judgement to praise the assassin, who might be a random scumbag murdering people for money, just like the CEO.
Don’t get too swept away with the romance - he could simply have not known the camera was there, or not cared, or been so out of his mind on some drug that the concept of ‘camera’ was beyond his grasp at the time. The engraved bullets could be anything from schizophrenic ramblings to a red herring because he really was a master hired hitman. We just don’t know.
I really want this to be a revenge execution for all the evil that CEO sack of shit put into the world, but I’ve gotten really skeptical that good things might actually start happening ever again. We don’t even know that this was a targeted act. Everyone has assumed, but there’s no actual evidence of anything and if the NYPD have it, which I doubt, they sure aren’t sharing it (they doubtlessly have plenty they’re not releasing, 99% of it garbage they have yet to sift through, but anything this concrete would have ended the investigation by now).
That said, I’m already trying to buy a body pillow of this guy so something something glass houses.To me it seems like a really dumb idea for the police or news to share that the bullets had “Deny, Defend, Depose” engraved on them. You can’t tell me that they wouldn’t have known that it would energize everyone like that.
I have to appreciate the skepticism, and of course it could have been a hired hit, or schizo ramblings. But there were other people who were in the area, and I bet they “didn’t see anything.”
I highly doubt the schizo thing though. Psychosis won’t allow someone to be this careful.
The problem with the hitman theory is that it painted a target on all of these executives and board members. Including whoever could have hired the hit. Hell, it could have been a Russian assassin brought in by Trump to stir things up, and it backfired. If that ended up being the case, Trump would then face a lot of opposition from the elite.
To me, it really comes down to the fact that the motive isn’t what is important. What’s important is that so many millions of people have a motive, and now witnessed vulnerability in the elite that hurt them and killed family or friends.
There were other people there, I mean he killed the guy while he was standing like 4’ away from a woman. The hotel staff phoned the cops once they realized what was going on, but the choice of ammo + silencer and that was early in the morning meant people were slow on the uptake. It was either really well planned or really lucky, or more likely both. The engravings on the rounds show at least enough forethought that it wasn’t a spur of the moment thing, but that’s literally all the information we have.
Look, overall you’re not wrong, and fuck knows we’re due for a new folk hero. My worry is that if people get too attached to the rapidly evolving mystique around this one person, it’ll all come to a crashing halt when/if they get arrested, especially if it turns out it really was his wife hiring a hitman to get out of a prenup or something equally banal.
For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
It doesn’t matter what he is, who he is, or what he believes. He could be a nazi from the US taliban who thinks healthcare is the devils work and wants to kill every healthcare CEO for spreading hell on earth, or any other crazy shit. People would shrug and still say he did the right thing. They hate him as a person, but the action of killing a CEO itself could galvanize people to start attacking millionaires, billionaires, wallstreet people, bankers, CEOs, etc.
I really dislike the hero worship going on. For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
Yeah, but death of the author and all that.
Maybe the guy was hired by the victim’s wife because she thought he was cheating on her or something, and the casings and whatnot are just a misdirection… but if desperate people with nothing left to lose and a lot to avenge get inspired by it and start shooting (or just harassing) CEOs, it doesn’t matter what the original reason was.
For now, American health insurance company CEOs seem to be afraid enough to remove their personal details from public sites, probably more because they see the reactions to the murder than because of the murder itself… so that’s something, at least.
Given the political situation in the USA I very much doubt anything positive will come from politicians and the corporate class learning the sheer extent to which these CEOs and their corporations and their practices are despised by the general population (if anything, they’ll attempt to tighten the yoke, which will just further radicalise people)… but revolutions have started for less.
No, I think they match, but if I wound up on his jury, I might start to doubt it.
“Mr Westin, do these two men look similiar to you?”
“No…”
“But I haven’t even shown the second picture yet.”
“Ok, show me…but I’ll still say no.”
“OK, now do these two pictures-”
“Not guilty!”
“Excuse me?”
“Oh , sorry, too soon? I’ll wait.”
It might be time to start smashing all the security cameras.
The first back pack is white. The second one is very dark white almost black. The first jacket has white buttons, the second jacket has dark white buttons almost black. The first jacket has buttons, the second one looks like a special kind of button where the buttons on one side intermesh with the buttons on the otherwise in a zigzag pattern… I bet those have a name like zigzaper or zigper, who knows.
“Very dark white almost black” you mean grey?
The first one is a dark brown or green zip up with a built in hood, the second one is a green button up over a hoodie.
They’re barely similar. The NYPD has too much of nothing.
It’s like these:
Reminder even facial-recognition softwares & Geo-Location data HAVE made errors that put innocent people in jail
I mean with most CCTV feeds facial recognition is just a best guess, you can’t just rely on it.
When people have different jackets and backpacks it not just to have the same jacket in different color. It’s to have a heavier jacket or different sized backpacks.
Also hostel guy eye look more wide set and his brow is more pronounced. Bridge of nose looks wider and deeper too.
I have the same jacket in 8 different colors.
it doesn’t come in 8 colors. I feel bad for the idiots who upvoted you and believed that was even possible.
Dude has a hoody with a flap jacket staying in a hostel. At best he’s a vfx artist and has 5 of the same color.
Doesn’t look like anything to me.
To me it looks like the same person in different lighting conditions.
Agreed. What I don’t get is that the backpack seems to be a very different color.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist (I don’t think), but the backpack is the inconsistency that’s interesting to me.
Easy enough to be using more than one bag.
But the front pockets on the jacket are different. The zipper pull is different.
The fabric on the left is crisper, looks plasticized, and is waterproofed, while the one on the right is fluffy and soft.
It’s all very subtle, the pictures are low quality. It’s likely not the same guy, but they’re starving to have someone in custody.
Yeah, every hour they don’t have this dude in custody makes them look incompetent, especially for the billionaire class who have so far provided a LOT of cover for the police. This makes the NYPD look especially bad, given their nationwide rep as “the best PD in the country” among us plebs and the fact that their numbers eclipse several small national militaries.
Nationwide rep? All I ever hear about them from out of state is corruption and illegal shakedowns. FDNY gets all the glory.
Longtime theatre guy here - trust me, lighting does amazing things.
Seems like they’ll never find em. Stand down.
The nose I can go either way on. It looks “different” to me but wearing a mask and not grinning makes a huge difference there (it is why you are told to not smile for ID photos). The eyebrows are more a function of angle and resolution as you can see some darkness on the left (and he is obviously scowling and not flirting with a cute desk girl).
As for the jacket and backpack? Too lazy to look up the backpack models (people figured it out) but the one on the left looks small enough to fit in the one on the right. So he has his backpack for travel and then a smaller one full of gun and snacks and whatever else for the stakeout.
I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
Never talk to the cops without a lawyer and NEVER voluntarily talk to them.
Also? The cops are going to find SOMEONE in the next week or so. And you can be damned sure they are going to take advantage of all of the news and social media about how this is a skilled hitman fighting for the loss of a loved one who WILL NOT BE TAKEN ALIVE. They’ll corner whoever they can pin it on, shoot them a few times, and then plant a gun and call it a day.
Agreed. I think he could’ve changed clothes to throw the investigators in for a loop
It’s the smart thing to do and pretty basic evasion tactic that I know I learned from a kids book about spies when I was a kid.
My guess is, he road the ebike to Central Park (known fact), ran into a restroom to quick change, probably did something to modify his appearance then continued off blending into the crowd, probably leaving the city on public transit to further anonymise himself.
Another tactic mentioned in that same kids spy book was to put something distracting like a bandage on your face so it’s harder for witnesses to remember your face, they’ll just remember there was a big bandage on the cheek or whatever. I’ve never heard of people actually using that tactic so I do have to wonder if there’s a pitfall there that’s not immediately obvious
