I motion that we postpone this discussion until after the upcoming US Labor Day has passed.
Second.
*sigh* Someone has to say that every labor day. When are we going to be able to talk about this?
After Labor Day
I get where this comes from (look up why USA and Canada celebrate Labor Day rather than International Worker’s Day) but it’s just symbolism, a frivolous issue. Pushing frivolous issues reinforces one of the negative perceptions of the American left common among both centrist Americans and international leftists. People want healthcare, vacation days, material improvements. Not a debate over when a national holiday is.
You make it sound like the American left pushes a lot of symbolic issues. Which ones are you thinking of?
Hot take: the American left loses on the material issues because it has lost on solidarity, symbolism, ideology. Don’t you know that healthcare and vacation days will “hurt the economy”? There are many poor working class people who still oppose Obamacare even though they directly benefit from it. The material gains matter a lot less if people reject the ideas behind them.
I’m not sure if the timing of Labor Day is important, but I wouldn’t underestimate the power of symbols.
well its seeming to me that when it comes to things that will actually unite the US left, they fall right back to red-scare.
I’m having a hard time parsing your sentence. Who is the “they” in the main clause?
sorry, not a native speaker
i meant the left, and how in the US, it seems even the left believes the red scare propaganda
Everytime an American on the left does this, they just set back their own cause. It’s enough to make you believe a conspiracy theory of some powers on the right actively encouraging it.
I have no doubt in my mind a portion of the American left is undercover idiots trying to discredit the American left.
At least I hope so.
As a warehouse worker in the US, I say it doesn’t matter since Labor Day has gradually become “Work normal hours but earn 1.5x pay for it day”.
That’s 50% better than a normal day!
Who are You, Who are so Wise in the Ways of Science?
Sir Bedivere the wise, my liege!
My wife is a nurse and has pretty much the same deal. Which is a mixed blessing
What!? I’m getting time and a nuthin
That leaves a huge gap between July 4th and Thanksgiving. No thanks.
Would be great if we could just take off all of August like Europe does.
It’s really so engrained in the culture it would have to be replaced by end-of-the-summer-cookout-day.
True story.
No, that’s too close to Memorial Day. And without Labor Day being in September the gap between July 4th and Thanksgiving is too wide to not have a holiday where the majority of workers get time off from work
In Italy we have Liberation day on April 25th and labor day on 1st May and nobody ever complained. You celebrate certain days in specific dates for a reason, not because they fit nicely with other holidays
A lot of American systems are very broken, including our vacation opportunities from work. We get significantly less paid time off compared to most European countries and it can be nice to have them spread out so that there is a chance you get the day off (not all companies here recognize things like labor day anyway).
It’s not just about time off or celebrating. It’s more about sales, special events, traveling, eating out, getting gas, airline tickets, hotel rooms, etc, etc. In other words, stimulating the economy on a regular basis.
like the rest of the world?
I am a confused Canadian
Ditto New Zealander
Pipe down up there hat.
I don’t rrally care when or if we have labor day as an official holiday. Seems like a pointless token gesture, considering the lack of labor rights and protections in the US.
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No, just like soccer is not called football here. Sometimes things are different in other places.
Unacceptable. Different thing bad!
For the last time. That other thing is: Hand. Egg.
May 1st is too early in the year to stop wearing white.
Particularly since outdoor fuckin’ starts on the First of May.
Is there some place in the US where people actually follow that rule?
The one about wearing white after labor day, or the one about outdoor fuckin’?
White after labor day.
I absolutely get the appeal of outdoor fucking.
Quality
Outdoor fucking? Is that some code for abolishing workers rights?
Nope. But we should make Worker’s Day a federal holiday on May 1st
May Day is already a holiday isn’t it?
It’s celebrated by some, but it’s not a federal holiday.
Yes but keep the September day as another holiday for workers. Maybe one to celebrate living workers and one for those who died to get us worker protections, like we have Veterans Day and Memorial Day both.
Why does it matter when different countries have different holidays?
I prefer it on a Monday so that I get a long weekend. If it’s a specific date all of the time, then if get a random day off in the middle of the week instead which I don’t care about. I always prefer to extend my weekend instead.
I actually really dislike that Thanksgiving in the US is always on Thursday. It means I can’t travel very far to see family because I always work the day immediately before and after Thanksgiving. So I just have a random day off in the middle of the week.
While we’re at it, can we change the name to “No Labor Day?” 🤔
Always seemed weird to me that it’s one of the few days you get a day off, but it’s named like it’s the only day labor is done.
It’s named for the Labor movement. maybe you’re joking and I’m just dense but… yeah.
“Beginning in the late 19th century, as the trade union and labor movements grew, diverse groups of trade unionists chose a variety of days on which to celebrate labor. In the United States, a September holiday called Labor Day was first proposed in the early 1880s.”
maybe you’re joking and I’m just dense
Can I call you Osmium? :P
Sure, I’ll call you dickhead.
No. The world shouldn’t be one homogeneous blob.
As it surely would be if the US had Labor Day on May 1st.
Its hyperbole, and a more of a death by a thousand paper cuts. I can go to every large western city (and many non-western ones) in the world and find McDonalds.
I think thats atrocious.
I was in Sweden for work some time ago, and we walked past a McDonald’s advertisement. It was for a Mexican Burger.
My boss was Japanese, so we were on our way to a sushi restaurant.
Like honestly, why even travel? (Yes I know history and museums and whatnot, but still.)
No, because that would be letting the commies win. /s
