Same they they did for the other concentration camp which is currently being exterminated.
Did we stop them from building the internment camps at the border in his last term?
Nope
Did we stop the Biden administration from using them once Trump built them? No, no we did not.
Okay now that we agree concentration camps bad, what is your opionion on trump making new ones?
Also bad I expect these to rapidly go from detention camps to work camps.
FoxCon 2: Nacho Boogaloo
Biden made a gesture, but it was feckless and performative. He EO’d not renewing DOJ contracts with geogroup and core civic, but the current contracts stayed in place and were years from expiration. And, it was just DOJ which does not include ICE. Geo and core run the majority of these detention compounds on the border. They have been buying political influence with the money they get from government contracts. Of course Trump is all in for it. They have been lining his pockets for a long time. The more people locked up, the more money they make. And by “they” I am referring to shareholders, which consist of cops and teachers and other municipal workers who have their pensions invested in geo and core. Capitalism has started to eat its own tail.
Yeah, never mind, you know Trump built them. No bid deal great guy.
Does your arm get tired with all those straight elbow salutes or do you get used to it? How hard is it to learn that craze walk you guys do?
Are you accusing me if supporting Nazism because I have an issue with the government using concentration camps?
Do you think you have a moral high ground when you suggest that it is ok for one party to use these camps?
I believe we shouldn’t he deporting undocumented people who haven’t violated serious laws. Do you think differently?
He’s still stuck in 2014 and thinks screaming Nazi at everyone who disagrees with him is going to change people’s minds.
People like that are just using the performative righteousness as an excuse to bully people.
People like that are just using the performative righteousness as an excuse to bully people.
Don’t disagree about the performative righteousness (also appreciate the new term) - but the current admin, many of its figureheads and an alarming number of its supporters sure fetishize the Third Reich. Not really something to be ignored, imo.
Completely agree. We all must take action, but here isn’t a great place to discuss it.
Nah, it’s because I looked at your post history.
Which is filled with antifascism. On the ither hand you are claiming it is ok for one side to use camps. That’s weird.
call these camps or detention centers whatever you want. It is the wrong language. These places are not owned and ran by the US gov. They are owned and ran by mostly 2 companies. Geogroup, and core civic. I encourage everyone to learn this, and to relay it. Instead of getting rid of these compounds, we need to get rid of these companies who have turned our justice department into a for profit billion $$$ industry. These companies are publicly traded. Cops and teachers have their pensions invested in them. YOU could have investments in them and not even know it. Esp if you work for the government
I feel like “It’s not a concentration camp! it’s a for profit concentration camp!” isn’t the great rebuttal you think it is.
It is important to understand we are being attacked by capitalism. Our freedom is a publicly traded product. It is not just Trump dictating orders. Capitalists make money by taking away our liberties because that is how the system functions. And it is global. Anyone can invest in these companies and give them a stronger platform to remove our freedom.
And this is where lemmy needs some mastodon features for boost and repost
Nice try, FBI
I dunno man…are you? I can’t afford to go to prison. I have three kids that rely on me for sustenance and a house. Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently. I’m emailing politicians, trying to make good points online, and protest. I think that’s all I can do right now. Now, if my family is threatened, or I can no longer provide for my family, then we’ll talk again.
I think we’re starting to see in real time why nobody stopped Hitler either.
And the US is about 28 times larger than Germany, making it even harder for people to travel to a focal point of power to resist.
Yup. I’ve seen in my own family. Started in November with the anti Nazi talk. Then around Christmas the Biden whataboutisms started: Yeah but Biden is actually doing stuff Trump started so they are both bad. Now I am hearing the same points @alteon made. Anything to keep from doing the right thing and fight fascism bc I have an early meeting, the kids have soccer practice, well I don’t see any of it so its not as bad as the internet makes it sound, blah blah blah.
The people in power that are supposed to stop this aren’t. AOC is trying to rally people, but not sure how effective it’s going to be yet.
Anything you do as an individual is likely to fail and only make things way, way worse. So you tell me man…what should I do that I’m not already doing?
Nothing. It ain’t on us to fix shit. Our side of things has been broken since before any of us were born.
Would your consider your family threatened when we have inflation at obscene, never-before-seen rates?
Honestly? Probably not.
Will it suck? Absolutely, but me and my wife make great money and just consolidated a bunch of our stuff to buy our forever home. We’re liquid probably $100k, and that’s not even touching retirement finances or other investments. I 100% want to help where I can with protesting and organizing stuff, but I won’t be in a state where I’m willing to be Luigi 2.0 anytime soon. Like. Even if we were to both lose our jobs, we’re comfortable for at least 2-3 years before we have to start worrying.
Congratulations on your success. I hope what’s coming doesn’t touch you too badly. I mean it.
Joining an armed resistance has a high chance of death. Turns out a lot of people like being alive. I can see why other countries saw a bit more resistance too, when your country voted for it there is probably an impression many support it
Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently.
Woof. I remember saying that back in 2017. Four years later…
We have had one there for 25 years now.
At this point, beyond enduring, I’m afraid there is no “non violent” options. And to be clear, I don’t think non-violent options are going to improve anything, just that there’s not much else to do.
Agreed that there is no non-violent way to stop this admin from making concentration camps in Guantanamo, but there are plenty of things you can do to keep people from ending up in those camps without using violence.
Most undocumented people get snatched up outside of their homes. Keeping an eye out for ICE, and breaking their cover is a huge help (Just walk up to them and say ‘Hi’, ask what they are doing and in general occupy their time with innocuous conversation), you can also provide food and financial assistance to your affected neighbors, as they may be unable to work without getting snatched. Make an emergency plan with them for who to contact, and if they have an immigration lawyer in the case that they get grabbed. If anyone with a badge actually asks about them, you don’t know shit, you’ve never seen shit.
Uh, I missed this one. Someone got the backstory?
They are sending migrants to Guantanamo bay because Mexico didn’t want them.
… oh. It begins then. Thank you for the multiple links!
Gonna be tough to stop the creation of the camp since it’s in Cuba but there are orgs that are rolling out strategies to protect people in their communities from getting caught up in this. Check out your local orgs and see who is working on this and cooperate with them.
Internet search for ICE watch and your city or region would be a good place to start. And I know people hate Reddit but a lot of people on my local sub are talking about this too.
That’s what I thought people might say and was hoping people would be more upset then this =/
Good info, tho.
I am upset about it but what else can we do? I think looking to follow the lead of those who have been working on this issue for longer is the right place to start at least. Maybe we will need to go further but first we need to connect offline.
This was exactly the same approach the Australian government took with its ‘pacific solution’. Offshore detention into remote, hard to access locales, classify all discussion of ‘illegal immigration’ under national security laws. Makes getting news in and out nearly impossible.
You just watched over a year of a live-streamed genocide. What makes you think either party is opposed to this? Or that the people will draw the line here?
I think moderators on Lemmy and Reddit are working hard to remove posts and content
What is a platform people can actually use to organize less than legal operations?
Lemmy mods are at ridk for legal consequences so I would cut them more slack.
No, no they’re not.
Yes, they are. If they are hosting servers where people engage in criminal actions they can be held liable in some nations.
Not in the US, where .world is held. Maybe the Finnish instances since their laws are weird, but in most countries there’s a variant of platform immunity wherein the owners are only liable if they are informed by the government about offending content and fail to take action.
Exceedingly few countries require proactive moderation, and pretty much all countries that do have a minimum user count for that moderation above the gross user count of the entire fediverse.
Not in the US, where .world is held
The ToS would like to disagree with you.
Yes. We are.
Yes, arson.
If they stayed from bush to now. Throughout the Obama years and Biden years, first trump. They will probably stay for the next 20 presidents
Who are you people making this a left v right thing??? How is trump opening a concentration camps housing tens of thousands of people remotely similar to legacy prisons housing what, 36 people?
Bad faith - bad faith - bad faith.
Wait wut?!?
Is there a source you can link to?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/16368518
There’s a bunch, but I put an AP news, Rueters and NPR link above
Where do i sign up for the flash mob?
Bay of Pigs 2: America invades America on location in Cuba.
A consideration to the ending of slavery in the United States was the advent of photography. Film was used to share the horror of the Nazi concentration camps in WW2 because they knew there would be people who deny history. Israel denied access and targeted journalists in Gaza for over a year for a reason.
Public perception sways from indifference to protests when they can’t look away from the destructive results. It’s the whole reason black sites like Guantanamo Bay exist in the first place and were used to hold extradited citizens without due process for years, they want to pretend the Constitution doesn’t exist and they haven’t sworn oaths to it and will do everything they can to hide their crimes.
@surph_ninja@lemm.ee Just pointed this out. We already see the horror every day. Aint nothing going to happen.
